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jlf1961 -> I am quickly developing a problem with immigrants. (12/24/2013 3:24:32 PM)

I have no problem with people moving to the states for a chance at a better life, this everyone that is not a Native American descended from immigrants.

However, I am getting really tired having to press 1 for English, dealing with cashiers at stores that do not have a working knowledge of the English language, and outsourcing call centers to other countries is really pissing me off to no end.

This afternoon I had to deal with a Hispanic cashier who could barely speak English, let alone understand it, who so screwed up the checkout that I have to go back to the store Thursday to get it straightened out.

I mean you move to some countries from the US and they expect you to learn the language.

So what the fuck is the problem with having future citizens or people with green cards learn the English language and be proficient to the point that they can understand what the fuck is said to them and can reply in such a manner that you do not start looking for a fucking translator.

Of course now some individuals will now call me a racist, but right now, I am sick and tired of having to deal with people who cant speak the fucking language in this country.



EdBowie -> RE: I am quickly developing a problem with immigrants. (12/24/2013 3:26:21 PM)

Did you try speaking more slowly, and louder?

[;)]



OsideGirl -> RE: I am quickly developing a problem with immigrants. (12/24/2013 3:30:00 PM)

Our current issue is with the immigrant owned liquor store down the street. They have an American flag flying 24/7 and the light has been broken for 3 weeks. We've said something to them 4 times about how disrespectful that is and the last time the young guy said, "How about I go out and tear the fucking thing down?"

So, we bought our Christmas party liquor elsewhere.....



TheHeretic -> RE: I am quickly developing a problem with immigrants. (12/24/2013 3:30:02 PM)

We once had a clerk in a major chain store tell my wife to learn Spanish.

By the time I was done taking that complaint right up to the Office of the President for that company, I'm sure the clerk had an opportunity to learn if unemployment applications were available in her preferred language.



jlf1961 -> RE: I am quickly developing a problem with immigrants. (12/24/2013 3:45:06 PM)

My father was stationed in Germany when I was a child, so I learned to speak both german and english for the first five years of my life.

While the odds are that I am going to encounter Spanish speaking individuals in this country, I have a problem understanding why I should learn to speak Spanish, Hindi, Arabic or any other language because some individual who came to this country has no desire to speak English.

As for speaking slowly and loudly, while I am just a college educated former army grunt, therefore a life form with limited cognitive ability, I learned that technique does not work.



Dvr22999874 -> RE: I am quickly developing a problem with immigrants. (12/24/2013 3:50:18 PM)

any time you have a problem with an asian here and you want something from them or want them to do something for you, they play the 'No understand' card.................but if they want something from you, they speak english and 'dollars and cent' very fluently.
If you want to call me racist, go ahead. I know who and what I am and I am very happy with that person.



EdBowie -> RE: I am quickly developing a problem with immigrants. (12/24/2013 4:03:58 PM)

In all seriousness, the world was built on people who didn't speak each other's language, learning how to do business together.

Story has it that when the Emperor of China banned learning English in the cities, the merchants of south China amassed fortunes using 'pidgin' (business) English to trade.

So it doesn't bother me as a customer to find a way to communicate to get what I want, no matter what communications barriers that particular clerk may be presenting (to include attitude, poor verbal skills from a native speaker, and so forth).
It is part of the great shopping adventure.

On the other hand, when it comes to 911 operators, air traffic controllers, and so forth, I fully expect there to be a standardized language that works best for the largest number of people.

And don't get me started on call center support 'English'.



deathtothepixies -> RE: I am quickly developing a problem with immigrants. (12/24/2013 4:30:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

They have an American flag flying 24/7 and the light has been broken for 3 weeks. We've said something to them 4 times about how disrespectful that is.


really?

It's just a piece of cloth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5pKc924M3s

What is it with disrespecting the flag?

Xmas is more fun if you don't sweat the small stuff....

re. the thread, yeah, pisses me off too. Some companies over here actually advertise the fact that they have English call centres, I mean isn't it the bare minimum you expect from a help line to be able to understand what the person says



tj444 -> RE: I am quickly developing a problem with immigrants. (12/24/2013 4:41:29 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I have no problem with people moving to the states for a chance at a better life, this everyone that is not a Native American descended from immigrants.

However, I am getting really tired having to press 1 for English, dealing with cashiers at stores that do not have a working knowledge of the English language, and outsourcing call centers to other countries is really pissing me off to no end.

This afternoon I had to deal with a Hispanic cashier who could barely speak English, let alone understand it, who so screwed up the checkout that I have to go back to the store Thursday to get it straightened out.

I mean you move to some countries from the US and they expect you to learn the language.

So what the fuck is the problem with having future citizens or people with green cards learn the English language and be proficient to the point that they can understand what the fuck is said to them and can reply in such a manner that you do not start looking for a fucking translator.

Of course now some individuals will now call me a racist, but right now, I am sick and tired of having to deal with people who cant speak the fucking language in this country.

you are blaming immigrants for your profit-motivated US corps outsourcing call centers to other countries? WTF does that have to do with immigrants in the US & exactly how is it their fault???
If you want immigrants to speak and write English then lobby your politicians to make that an immigration requirement.. that's really the only way it will happen..
You don't need a translator.. there's an app for that, actually there appear to be several..
you live in Texas, didn't that state get stolen from the Mexicans? You should have been born speaking Spanish, dude! [:D]



TheHeretic -> RE: I am quickly developing a problem with immigrants. (12/24/2013 4:47:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

It's just a piece of cloth.



64 pieces of cloth, actually, stitched together to form a symbol which is held dear and important to a whole lot of people. There is no requirement whatsoever that a business owner display it, but if he chooses to do so, then he ought to be aware that there is a code that goes along with it.

I'd take my business elsewhere, too.



tj444 -> RE: I am quickly developing a problem with immigrants. (12/24/2013 4:49:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


quote:

ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

It's just a piece of cloth.



64 pieces of cloth, actually, stitched together to form a symbol which is held dear and important to a whole lot of people. There is no requirement whatsoever that a business owner display it, but if he chooses to do so, then he ought to be aware that there is a code that goes along with doing so.

I'd take my business elsewhere, too.

where exactly does the (broken) light fit in? I am not getting the significance of the "light" issue here..



TheHeretic -> RE: I am quickly developing a problem with immigrants. (12/24/2013 4:53:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444
where exactly does the (broken) light fit in? I am not getting the significance of the "light" issue here..



The flag is supposed to be lowered at sunset, unless illuminated.



Dvr22999874 -> RE: I am quickly developing a problem with immigrants. (12/24/2013 4:53:39 PM)

Doesn't the national flag have to come down at sunset ? It does here I believe; so there would be no need for a light. I too am a bit baffled by that one.



ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: I am quickly developing a problem with immigrants. (12/24/2013 4:54:11 PM)

I'm with the OP on this. I love that people still want to come to the US for a better life - it speaks volumes despite how screwed-up we are.
But - and this is a very big but - there should not be any special accommodations for other languages. And I'm proud to call myself a progressive/liberal. Yes, America is a Melting Pot and people have come from all over the world to be here. But I don't recall any special multi-language stuff in the history of Ellis Island.

People came here and learned to communicate in English. Yes, there were, and still are, areas where foreigners will group together and maintain their own culture, including language. In Chicago there is a huge Polish population and at the recent Taste of Polonia at the Copernicus Center, many of the people cooking all that wonderful food did not speak English. But there was always someone there who did. In another Chicago neighborhood, Little Village, it's all Hispanic. Fine, stay together to preserve your culture and have a sense of community. But don't ask for the drivers license test in 15 different languages!

As an IT guy I have used a LOT of Tech Support lines. It's completely random as to whether I'll be able to understand the person on the other end. Here are a few:
Microsoft: India, heavy accents, can be very difficult to understand, will eventually fix your issue, most of the time
Cicso: Puerto Rico, mid-to-heavy accent, can be difficult to communicate but they are extremely skilled and WILL fix your issue.
Barracude (e-mail and A/V filters): US-based, easy to understand, top-notch help
Trend Micro: The Philippines, mid-to-heavy accent, above average support
TrakFone: unknown, very difficult to understand, bellow average support

But what can we do about any of this? Should we try to ban bi-lingual education in the US? Good luck with that. Vote with our dollars? How do you know what sort of customer service awaits you until you buy the product? No freakin' idea where to even begin.

As for the flag, yeah, it's just a piece of cloth. But if you're going to display it you really should do it correctly. And part of that means either taking it down or lighting it at night. And replacing it when it gets worn/frayed.




deathtothepixies -> RE: I am quickly developing a problem with immigrants. (12/24/2013 4:54:47 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

quote:

ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

It's just a piece of cloth.



64 pieces of cloth, actually, stitched together to form a symbol which is held dear and important to a whole lot of people. There is no requirement whatsoever that a business owner display it, but if he chooses to do so, then he ought to be aware that there is a code that goes along with it.

I'd take my business elsewhere, too.


" This is a U.S. federal law, but there is no penalty for failure to comply with it and the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that punitive enforcement would conflict with the First Amendment right to freedom of speech.[1"

I am actually a little surprised that there isn't a fine or jail term, but I'd still go to the cheapest place if I was skint



OsideGirl -> RE: I am quickly developing a problem with immigrants. (12/24/2013 4:54:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


quote:

ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

It's just a piece of cloth.



64 pieces of cloth, actually, stitched together to form a symbol which is held dear and important to a whole lot of people. There is no requirement whatsoever that a business owner display it, but if he chooses to do so, then he ought to be aware that there is a code that goes along with doing so.

I'd take my business elsewhere, too.

where exactly does the (broken) light fit in? I am not getting the significance of the "light" issue here..


If the flag is displayed after dark, it should be lit. To have it up in the dark, unlit is disrespectful.

(Keep in mind that San Diego is a military town)



LadyRedRoseToo -> RE: I am quickly developing a problem with immigrants. (12/24/2013 4:55:06 PM)

"For a stationary flag displayed on a building, pole or staff, it is customary to fly it from sunrise to sunset. You are only permitted to display your flag at night if it is properly illuminated. This means that you must have a light dedicated to "spotlighting" your flag. A street light or well lit area will not provide enough light. With the right lighting, you can fly your flag 24 hours a day for as many days as you like."

http://www.united-states-flag.com/flying-flag.html

this is the rule for flying the flag 24/7



Dvr22999874 -> RE: I am quickly developing a problem with immigrants. (12/24/2013 4:55:37 PM)

so basically, as long as the light is broken, the flag should be taken down ? Isn't that what the store clerk said he would do though ? I apologise for appearing a bit obtuse but the ethics of flags has me baffled



ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: I am quickly developing a problem with immigrants. (12/24/2013 4:56:47 PM)

How to display the US flag (in the US or on US soil abroad)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code

Pretty much says it all.



Dvr22999874 -> RE: I am quickly developing a problem with immigrants. (12/24/2013 4:56:54 PM)

Ah, thank you. Now I understand. I apologise for my dimness.



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