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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/26/2014 10:10:51 PM   
BamaD


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Let's hope they drop the charges. I think I read somewhere that some of his friends started a fund for him, that could have only been for the bail though. In any case, under the circumstances, I wish him well.

The prosecutors comments alone would get the charges dropped in any sane jurisdiction.
However having been based in MD for 4 years I am not hopeful on that count.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/26/2014 10:16:48 PM   
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I did not say black. In fact you are the first one to say anything about blacks. I said minorities and urban areas.
Exceptionally good way for you to marginalize the issue.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I agree with the fact that it has been allowed to go way too far, MsMJAY, but it isn't a black thing. Brown people, yellow people, and plenty of long-haired white boys have all been on the receiving end of same for decades. In fact, I would say that making it a black thing is an exceptionally good way to marginalize the issue, and let them keep it up.






He's right, I was stopped for speeding in southern Utah 20 years ago. The old fart claimed he smelled pot, a total bullshit pretense for probable cause. Maybe he had an attitude because of the radar detector on the windshield or that freakin book laying on the passenger side floor I purchased earlier in the day at this survivalist store on my way out of New Mexico "You And The Police". He didn't find pot but he did find my loaded .357 in the zippered pouch of a garment bag. I'm kissing ass the whole time of course. I get a lecture, he unloaded the gun, put it back and let me go. I can only speculate why he didn't arrest me. In Utah guns are ok with law enforcement but they hate those hippy dope smokers ? Maybe since there wasn't any pot to find, his probable cause and illegal search wouldn't have held up for the gun.

It's funny how people who dislike illegal drugs are fine with this sort of thing who would hate the same kind of harassment looking for guns. It all sucks whether the law is infringing on the rights of minorities, dope smokers or law abiding gun owners. Think about it, we have the tax police, the money police, the federal police, the federal drug police, the federal gun and bomb police, the state police, the county police, the city police, the National Security police, the Depatment of Homeland Security police. Now all we need is the abortion police.



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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/26/2014 10:49:35 PM   
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So whatever you thought you saw in my post is most likely a reflection of yourself. Deal with it.



You can only think of rap, the first set of radicals that come to mind are the Black Panthers. I'm seeing what you put on the screen, MJAY.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/27/2014 1:43:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: MsMJAY
So whatever you thought you saw in my post is most likely a reflection of yourself. Deal with it.



You can only think of rap, the first set of radicals that come to mind are the Black Panthers. I'm seeing what you put on the screen, MJAY.


Actually BamaD mentioned the Black Panthers. Presumably because he agreed with a particular quotation they made regarding the police and guns.

You may be seeing what I put on the screen but you are only perceiving and understanding it through your own narrow point of view. The irony is that you agreed with me and then you proceeded to make it about race. So whatever issue you think you are addressing in me, I suggest you start "with the man in the mirror." (Oooooh noooooo! I quoted ANOTHER black artist. I'm making this about race again.) Tell you what. Just to keep it fair, I'll quote a white artist this time and you can read whatever you like into it.

Brad Paisley- Accidental Racist
I'm just a white man coming to you from the Southland
Tryin' to understand what it's like not to be
I'm proud of where I'm from but not everything we've done
And it ain't like you and me can re-write history
Our generation didn't start this nation
We're still picking up the pieces, walking on eggshells, fighting over yesterday
And caught between Southern pride and Southern blame

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/27/2014 6:22:38 AM   
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You may see the difference but apparently in Maryland there is no such thing as self defense,
even in your own home. This is why I included the second article. Apparently owning a firearm
is considered reasonable suspicion of a crime in Maryland.


Dude this is outright paranoia. Do bad cops exist, sure. Does one bad cop mean that in Maryland there is no such thing as self defense, only in tin foil hat land.

The guys gotten an apology from the cops captain and from the Maryland Transportation Authority Police internal affairs captain, so this doesn't look to be a systemic thing.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/27/2014 6:27:36 AM   
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What I find troubling is the wife's relationship to the gun. If there is a gun in the home, then basic safety dictates that she know how to safely handle it, and whether or not it is present on a long journey.


Going over the Tampa Tribune article the guy keeps it locked in a safe when he's not carrying it.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/27/2014 6:31:10 AM   
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I knew it came up on a computer check when his plates were run, I guess I should have made myself more clearer on my baffled state.

The wife's statement was a bit unsettling. All of my children have gone through gun safety classes and hunter safety classes. That was my responsibility as a parent.


My question is WHY did his plates get run? According to the guy he wasn't speeding or anything. Sp I'm wondering what caused the computer check?

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/27/2014 6:42:22 AM   
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In a virtually identical situation they charged an active duty Air Force member with 2nd degree.


Are you talking about this:

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ORIGINAL: http://www.baltimorenewsjournal.com/2013/09/15/man-shot-dead-in-apparent-domestic-incident-in-glen-burnie/
Man shot dead in apparent domestic incident in Glen Burnie
September 15, 2013

Matthew Pinkerton Man shot dead in apparent domestic incident in Glen BurnieAnne Arundel Count police are investigating tonight after a man shot another man dead at a residence in Glen Burnie overnight.

Just before 2 a.m. ET on Sunday morning, police responded to the 400 block of Arbor Drive for a report of a shooting.

Upon arrival, officers found a man dead on the front porch of the residence. Police quickly learned that the victim was shot by the homeowner.

It was later determined that the suspect, Matthew Martin Pinkerton, 34, and the victim knew each other.

The victim was shot by Pinkerton after he was granted entrance into the residence. The motive for the shooting is still unknown, but police say it appears to have been a “domestic-related situation.”

The victim has been identified as Kendall Arnaz Green, 25, of Glen Burnie.

Pinkerton was arrested and charged with second-degree murder, manslaughter and use of a handgun in the commission of a felony/violent crime.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/27/2014 7:12:10 AM   
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I knew it came up on a computer check when his plates were run, I guess I should have made myself more clearer on my baffled state.

The wife's statement was a bit unsettling. All of my children have gone through gun safety classes and hunter safety classes. That was my responsibility as a parent.


My question is WHY did his plates get run? According to the guy he wasn't speeding or anything. Sp I'm wondering what caused the computer check?


My guess (and its just a guess) is that they were not really searching for a gun. I believe they wanted an excuse to get into the car to search for drugs. I mean come on; 3 additional marked cars came and they even searched the engine compartment? How likely was it that a gun would be in the engine compartment of the vehicle? It is pretty common for highway police to target people from coastal states, thinking they may be running drugs to states up north. The drug interdiction classes that officers take teach them how to use whatever excuse necessary to breach that vehicle and search for drugs. Since the number of American households that have a gun sits at about 47%, anytime you ask "you own a gun?" you have about a 50/50 chance of the answer being yes. The officer probably just played the odds and guessed about the gun.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/27/2014 7:34:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		He had out-of-state plates. Many things that might get a cop's attention don't qualify as reasonable suspicion--race, culture, age, haircut, bumper stickers, location, type of car, time of day, etc. If they stop you for one of these reasons, then they usually have to find or make up a more legitimate reason for the stop. Are they trained to do that? If they are, doesn't that make the entire department corrupt?

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/27/2014 9:49:15 AM   
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He had out-of-state plates. Many things that might get a cop's attention don't qualify as reasonable suspicion--race, culture, age, haircut, bumper stickers, location, type of car, time of day, etc. If they stop you for one of these reasons, then they usually have to find or make up a more legitimate reason for the stop. Are they trained to do that? If they are, doesn't that make the entire department corrupt?


You should hear my dad go on about it. When he was in the police it was all manner of bizarre things: Crombie-coat wearers, Jaguar drivers, Rolls-Royces parked in the wrong (i.e. poor) areas of town . . . . He hated it when they banned smoking on the London Underground. 'Obviously not all smokers are criminals', he said, 'but most criminals smoke' (we're talking the early 70s and before, here).

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/27/2014 10:16:13 AM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
You may see the difference but apparently in Maryland there is no such thing as self defense,
even in your own home. This is why I included the second article. Apparently owning a firearm
is considered reasonable suspicion of a crime in Maryland.


Dude this is outright paranoia. Do bad cops exist, sure. Does one bad cop mean that in Maryland there is no such thing as self defense, only in tin foil hat land.

The guys gotten an apology from the cops captain and from the Maryland Transportation Authority Police internal affairs captain, so this doesn't look to be a systemic thing.

Wrong it wasn't one bad cop, the cops, and the DA's office are railroading a man who in any
sane part of the country would have been set free the night of the shooting.


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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/27/2014 10:18:46 AM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
What I find troubling is the wife's relationship to the gun. If there is a gun in the home, then basic safety dictates that she know how to safely handle it, and whether or not it is present on a long journey.


Going over the Tampa Tribune article the guy keeps it locked in a safe when he's not carrying it.

Which is where it was when he was stopped.
However a gun safe does not negate the need to be sure everyone in the house know gun safety

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/27/2014 10:19:48 AM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
In a virtually identical situation they charged an active duty Air Force member with 2nd degree.


Are you talking about this:

quote:

ORIGINAL: http://www.baltimorenewsjournal.com/2013/09/15/man-shot-dead-in-apparent-domestic-incident-in-glen-burnie/
Man shot dead in apparent domestic incident in Glen Burnie
September 15, 2013

Matthew Pinkerton Man shot dead in apparent domestic incident in Glen BurnieAnne Arundel Count police are investigating tonight after a man shot another man dead at a residence in Glen Burnie overnight.

Just before 2 a.m. ET on Sunday morning, police responded to the 400 block of Arbor Drive for a report of a shooting.

Upon arrival, officers found a man dead on the front porch of the residence. Police quickly learned that the victim was shot by the homeowner.

It was later determined that the suspect, Matthew Martin Pinkerton, 34, and the victim knew each other.

The victim was shot by Pinkerton after he was granted entrance into the residence. The motive for the shooting is still unknown, but police say it appears to have been a “domestic-related situation.”

The victim has been identified as Kendall Arnaz Green, 25, of Glen Burnie.

Pinkerton was arrested and charged with second-degree murder, manslaughter and use of a handgun in the commission of a felony/violent crime.


Yes

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/27/2014 12:45:29 PM   
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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/27/2014 1:10:56 PM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
You may see the difference but apparently in Maryland there is no such thing as self defense,
even in your own home. This is why I included the second article. Apparently owning a firearm
is considered reasonable suspicion of a crime in Maryland.


Dude this is outright paranoia. Do bad cops exist, sure. Does one bad cop mean that in Maryland there is no such thing as self defense, only in tin foil hat land.

The guys gotten an apology from the cops captain and from the Maryland Transportation Authority Police internal affairs captain, so this doesn't look to be a systemic thing.

They held him for an hour and a half that's not just one cop.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/27/2014 1:17:14 PM   
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Never answer extraneous questions. Never.

Yes you're right.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/27/2014 4:06:32 PM   
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Now, don't get me wrong, I have nothing against bumper stickers of any kind, I have issues with law enforcement officers


Brilliant!

I know, I know but it's not that far out of context

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/27/2014 6:11:44 PM   
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You may be seeing what I put on the screen but you are only perceiving and understanding it through your own narrow point of view.



The narrow point of view is the one you are seeing the world from.

Name this tune:

They said it was for the black man,
They said it was for the Mexican
And not for the white man
But if you look at the street, it wasn't about Rodney King
It's this fucked-up situation and these fucked-up police
It's about coming up and staying on top
And screaming 187 on a motherfuckin' cop


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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/27/2014 6:15:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: MsMJAY

You may be seeing what I put on the screen but you are only perceiving and understanding it through your own narrow point of view.



The narrow point of view is the one you are seeing the world from.

Name this tune:

They said it was for the black man,
They said it was for the Mexican
And not for the white man
But if you look at the street, it wasn't about Rodney King
It's this fucked-up situation and these fucked-up police
It's about coming up and staying on top
And screaming 187 on a motherfuckin' cop


If one man's rights are violated everyone's are compromised.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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