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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
banish healthcare!!!!!

Hey Lucy, I just want to ask if we agree that healthcare and health insurance are two entirely different things?

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
Well, Lucy, HuffnPoo isn't likely to mention it, and with you not being from around here we could hardly expect you to know, but let me educate you just a bit. Someone in this situation once would have had pretty easy access to MediCaid (which is a lot better than what an American is going to get on a Bronze Plan), but that access and eligibility was cut off by... wait for it... the earliest provisions of Obamacare to go into effect.

Pretty drastic cuts to the already existing program which provided full service medical insurance to the neediest Americans went into place well ahead of the other changes of this law you find so cool. This created a stockpile of funding that could be used to hide the real cost of the new law for a while. It meant people would die, of course, but they are just blaming Republicans for that. After all. It's fine for Americans to die horribly, if the left can blame the right.

YAY TEAM!

Yep. Yachtie, Desi, myself and others all told everyone two years ago...."just wait...the cost is going to rise substantially, the deductible's will rise....they have to...it's just simple math...if you extend coverage to every kid until 26, remove the lifetime caps, it's just math. If car dealers are now required to provide free oil changes, tune ups and tires until you let the car go...a car ain't gonna cost 35 grand....it's gonna cost 100 grand or more".

All the democrat types all said "Noooooooo....this is a beautiful thing....it's gonna cost less...Obama said so"

Uh huh.

Math doesn't lie. Politicians do.

If the ACA is 'shit' as you state it, then perhaps each of you can supply me with your complete and detailed plan for a better healthcare system in America. When someone tells me that the President's plan sucks, I interpret that they have a much better idea that is well supported with documentation on hand. Only an idiot would attack the ACA and not have a better, well developed and strongly defendable under scrutiny of an idea, right?

First you would need to give a detailed analysis of what was going on in the marketplace prior to the ACA being put into law. How the industry was doing. How individual Americans were handling things. And American businesses. After that, a very studied report on what improvements should be made to make the system viable for long term economic growth while helping Americans regardless of their financial status. This document of yours will need to be constitutional, since we'll present it to Congress. I know, you guys will do a great job in showing Americans that conservatives can use creative and innovating ideas that reduce costs from the individual on up to the federal government, while allowing the industry to make a good profit. Part of this plan will need to show how to reduce the number of bankruptcies due to medical bills. An you can not make it a cut/paste job. All work is yours originally. After all, don't you want the honor and thanks of the nation coming to you rather than some other person?

Oh, and you'll have to be able to defend your work from us. Since you have been ripping apart the ACA for three years, its only fair to return the 'favor', right?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

If he is an honorably discharged Marine veteran, he has Obamacare, I have had mine since 1972.

It qualifies.

But that is anecdotal, there is a big bunch of people getting fucked by the nutsackers.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

If he is an honorably discharged Marine veteran, he has Obamacare, I have had mine since 1972.

It qualifies.

But that is anecdotal, there is a big bunch of people getting fucked by the nutsackers.

Good point Ron. There's a huge VA facility in Miami.

I couldn't find any more about this from the article:

"He's applying for health benefits through the Department of Veterans Affairs, but he may not meet the program's eligibility rules."

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Thanks to a Supreme Court ruling and staunch Republican resistance, Marc Alphonse, an unemployed 40-year-old Marine veteran who is essentially homeless, cannot get health insurance under Obamacare.

Three years ago, Alphonse learned he has a kidney disorder that will deteriorate into kidney failure, and possibly prove fatal, if left untreated. As it stands now, he suffers from bouts of nausea caused by his dysfunctional kidneys, and he's dogged by an old knee injury that limits his job prospects. He gets by on $400 a month in unemployment benefits, and his family can no longer afford housing in their home city of Miami. Alphonse's 28-year-old wife, Danielle, and three young children are staying with relatives while Alphonse couch surfs.

lucy
has he not heard of the va and yes I have heard of the horror stories of the va and I even myself had a few but I got my lung tx through the va and if he would just talk to a va advocate they would be able to direct him towards the va hospital which does it and there if I am not mistaken a half a dozen or so which do kidney tx

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

There is a story floating around (it may have first come from a West Wing episode, or they may have picked up an existing story and popularized it) that the term "red tape" comes from the flaming hoops veterans went through to get their benefits after the Civil War.

And soon enough, as the chronic diseases of bureaucracy settle into the bones of what the Democrats have imposed on the people of this country, everyone can have access to the same. YAY EQUALITY!

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady
Such a silly question. In NJ, medicaid pays practically the lowest to participating doctors. Rarely more than like $25 buck for specialists. I don't blame them for not participating, even thhough it meant a death sentence for many and living in severe pain for others, like me.
My point is that, at least in NJ, the ACA IS helping a large portion of the population it was designed to help. I know that it is very beneficial for me.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: Youinmyharem

I think the biggest problem with health care is simply that there isn't enough emphasis on nutrition, fitness, and healthy habits. As Ben Franklin said, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
When the largest part of the American diet is processed food full of preservatives, GMOs, dyes and other crap, not to mention the enormous amount of generally unhealthy ingredients that actually are food, it isn't rocket science to start figuring out why people aren't well. Add to that work hours that most often exceed 40, a sedentary lifestyle, and well you compound the problem even more.

Certainly there are those who have genetic problems, injuries and other things that simply can't be avoided, but so many of the problems are preventable.

If more attention were applied to just this, the demand for "health care" would drop extremely significantly.

Add to this, easier access to medications that can only be obtained through a Doctor's prescription, much like in Italy, and many office visits could be avoided. You would still have to control pain killers and drugs that are too easy to overdose on or cause interactions with other drugs, but it would reduce the patient load on Doctors quite a lot.

Boosting nutrition could be done with further support for Permacultured landscapes. Particularly in urban areas with economic disadvantages (look at the common diets here, note the extreme percentage of carbs that are often seen because, well, carbs are cheap). I'm no fan of Castro, but he did do something brilliant just after the Soviet Union fell apart. Because Cuba was so reliant on the U.S.S.R. for food imports, people grew malnourished, so he told Cubans to plant vegetables/fruits anywhere there was vacant space, and now they are much healthier than ever before. This also lends itself to a more green/conservationist approach and localization which reduces the transportation implications of imported foods.

By reducing expenses on the front end, then bringing in perhaps a single payer system, I think we could not only outdo ACA, but perhaps pioneer an even greater system than anywhere else.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
Joether, do you seriously really need to see what a freshly baked, right out of the oven cherry pie looks, smells and tastes like to realize that a big steaming pile of shit that has an unusual and unsavory odor to it is absolutely not, of the two now clearly available choices....the correct one to stick a fork into and enjoy after a long evening of good steak and wine?

Indeed, having been given only one option (the big steaming pile of shit), do you still need assistance as to what should not be served for desert?

(Man...I thought you were smarter than that).

(You won't be insulted then, if I and others may decline your offer of dinner).

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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes

I worked for WellPoint and can shed some light (instead of heat) on this entire string / "debate."

First of all, WellPoint is a full subsidiary of Anthem / Blue Cross / Blue Shield, called such due to some pretty fierce scandals. "Quick, change the name.  They won't know we're the same old thing."  BTW: how many of you think Blue Cross / Blue Shield is national?  WRONG: only 17 states.

I was hired to "Explain ACA to our callers / users."  Well, most calls were to complain about the doubled premiums. All I had to respond with was, "Yes, Sir.  I understand.  With that extra premium, you'll get the 10 basic medical health care provisions."
"Run down those for me."

Now, here's the rub: Single men and eldery women are required (as all are) to pay a pregenancy premium.  My response to the objective to "paying for something I'll never use," was either (depending on how the conversation was going) "Expanded risk pool, therefore expand premiums," or "required by law."

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Now to the MAIN point:
In training, I asked, "So you're saying the ACA is the first step to a single-payer system?"
Response, "Well, I'd rather not say so, but yes, you're right."

So, Hillary runs, wins and gets to implement the single payer system she always wanted.  Just has to figure out how Obama gets to save face.  Something along the lines of, "The ACA was the best we were allowed to pass by the Republicans and we've all come to understand how bad their idea was (instead of the one-payer system I propose.)"

She continues, "We need only look to the systems in Canada, Sweden, (names 6) .... and see the benefits."

Print that out, Seal it in an envolope, and sit on it for a few years.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes
I worked for WellPoint and can shed some light (instead of heat) on this entire string / "debate."

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Now to the MAIN point:
In training, I asked, "So you're saying the ACA is the first step to a single-payer system?"
Response, "Well, I'd rather not say so, but yes, you're right."

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yep yep god post:)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Thanks to a Supreme Court ruling and staunch Republican resistance, Marc Alphonse, an unemployed 40-year-old Marine veteran who is essentially homeless, cannot get health insurance under Obamacare.

oh ....wait a minute....

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

So people don't grow their own vegetables and such out of lazinesss? Well, ignorance grows out of stupidity and lack of education, like your statement.

City dwellers don't have the ability to grow much more than an herb garden living in apartments. Personally, I live in a house, but have no yard. Regardless of that, I am one of those people with a black thumb. I can't keep a spider plant or cactus alive, btwo of the easiest plants to grow. So your conclusion is based on ignorance of reality.

Of course, I purchase fresh fuits and vegetables at my local supermarket, even if I tend to stick with seasonal sales items, so I get the proper nutrition I need.

The solution for ignorance is equally simple, it just takes realizing your opinion is based on zero facts and getting an education.