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RE: Squirting - 2/24/2014 12:33:38 AM

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I can tell you honestly from personal experience that the come hither method will work almost every time. I have only seen/done it in rapid movements and the woman will squirt almost instantaneously. I have seen it done to 10 women in a row in one night and they squirted almost immediately 100% of the time so I would be hard pressed to imagine it not working unless she is a VERY exclusive case.

I wonder if it being in a group setting helped? I would guess exhibitionism would be more common in a group play setting.

You know, I never thought of it before about it in the exhibitionist context, but you might be right. I think I may have to test out this theory (if time and place so allows).
What I do know is that the women were consistently held at a diagonal angle upside down where only their shoulders, neck and head touched the surface, arm wrapped around their torso and legs straddled across the shoulder. Index and middle fingers were hooked towards G spot and extremely rapid motions when there was finally penetration. Any other method/positions being able to work as effectively as that one is uncertain and I haven't practiced it outside of the realm of exhibitionism extensively so you may be right hlen5.

From what you describe, you were very likely massaging the urethral sphincter or the bladder just above the sphincter and if you rapidly massage this area, it can open and it will release the contents of the bladder in a spurting motion. Now we could argue that it was a clear, tasteless and odourless liquid or that the women had all urinated prior to doing this but we could also argue that post kidney output is initially clear, tasteless and odourless.

Research has shown that many but not all females can and do ejaculate but no scientific research to date has had anything like as good a results as what you are claiming here. If you really believe this is female ejaculate and you are advertising it as such in your demonstrations, I suggest, for the good of the 'female' you get some scientists involved who can confirm it is what it is.

What you can't do is claim that you can consistently get 10 women in a row to ejaculate with this fool proof method, without proof that ejaculate is what these women are producing.

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RE: Squirting - 2/24/2014 5:49:33 PM

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Doesn't work on me.

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I can tell you honestly from personal experience that the come hither method will work almost every time. I have only seen/done it in rapid movements and the woman will squirt almost instantaneously. I have seen it done to 10 women in a row in one night and they squirted almost immediately 100% of the time so I would be hard pressed to imagine it not working unless she is a VERY exclusive case.

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RE: Squirting - 2/24/2014 5:55:27 PM

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From what you describe, you were very likely massaging the urethral sphincter or the bladder just above the sphincter and if you rapidly massage this area, it can open and it will release the contents of the bladder in a spurting motion. Now we could argue that it was a clear, tasteless and odourless liquid or that the women had all urinated prior to doing this but we could also argue that post kidney output is initially clear, tasteless and odourless.

Research has shown that many but not all females can and do ejaculate but no scientific research to date has had anything like as good a results as what you are claiming here. If you really believe this is female ejaculate and you are advertising it as such in your demonstrations, I suggest, for the good of the 'female' you get some scientists involved who can confirm it is what it is.

What you can't do is claim that you can consistently get 10 women in a row to ejaculate with this fool proof method, without proof that ejaculate is what these women are producing.

Squirting essentially to me is exactly that, there is no way that amount of liquid comes from the labia minora, but rather the bladder.
Like I said, people are uncomfortable with things outside their personal experience so I'm not going to convince them on the internet. You can choose to try it or not. No big deal.

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RE: Squirting - 2/25/2014 12:50:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

Squirting essentially to me is exactly that, there is no way that amount of liquid comes from the labia minora, but rather the bladder.
Like I said, people are uncomfortable with things outside their personal experience so I'm not going to convince them on the internet. You can choose to try it or not. No big deal.

I agree with you in part but not sure what you mean when you say, 'from the labia minora'?

Yes, there is no way that large amounts of liquid come from a collection of tiny skene's glands embedded in the outer wall of the urethra. And yes, clinical trials have proven that chemical changes in post kidney output from the bladder during sexual arousal happen and that along with skene's glands fluid are part and parcel of what we know as 'squirting' but they also note that female ejaculation, which may or may not involve squirting, always contains an amount of cloudy white fluid that is very similar properties to the male semen, i.e. amino acids, fructose, phosphorylcholine, prostaglandin and potassium.

I'm fairly certain that many women who squirt are not actually ejaculating and like you say, none of that really matters except there seems to be a huge amount of bragging going on about squirting and very little being said about female ejaculation. (not here but on particular groups on FL). Men want a woman who can soak the bed, knock him over in a torrent of 'love fluid' and so on. Perhaps it makes them feel like champion lovers, I have no idea what goes on in their heads but you only have to look at certain groups on FL to gage how competitive its become.

Clinical trails have found women who can just ejaculate. These women produce perhaps a couple of tablespoons of cloudy white fluid. There's no chemically altered pee in the fluid, just as there's no pee in a man's semen and its these women, as far as I'm concerned that are seriously fucking interesting and sadly its these very women on places like FL who worry they aren't doing it properly!!

Anyway, we don't need to worry. Female squirting has got old according to some and the 'new' thing is called 'creaming'. Some women apparently produce copious amounts of thick white cream, they even have pictures to prove it (looks suspiciously like cottage cheese to me!). Men are raving about it, women are all coming out of the woodwork and making a claim to how much cream they can produce.

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RE: Squirting - 2/25/2014 1:51:48 AM

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Call me a youngster, if you must, but I suppose between me and select few friends, we refer to the "come hither" with rapid movement, more so as "the spiderman" heeheeee.

I guess, Myself being a female that has the ability to Squirt, to sum up what everyone has already stated, To each HER OWN. ;) I know some that can but just prefer not to. Some achieve it thru penetration, others just CAN by any type of orgasm. Then of course, there is the ongoing debate between Squirting vs. female ejaculation. I'm not an expert, but I do recognize there is a difference....

I can do it for myself, but I just know my body more than anyone that is NOT me :) I do agree that mentality strongly comes into play and that release/connection with the partner. My first time, I was in my late teens and me and my partner had NO IDEA what had happened. But in my mid-twenties, matched up with a partner that synced well with me and it became almost automatic. Just being 30, I know that it can happen so easily, but yet at the same time, I'm not some kind of easy trick where you just push a "go" button, and it happens. I think, personally speaking, If you're having a good time and just romping around, while lacking that extra ounce of intimate connection, Yeah, it's not gonna happen off my First orgasm, maybe not even my third... there are times where I wish I could control it (only because it can get messy), but I suppose that's just what happens when it works "just right" for me.

But the idea of "Creaming", I feel is in the same ball game as Female Ejaculation. Both exist. Have seen it, experienced it. I think that squirting is a much more familiar thing, even though some women may not be into it, there is that "button" that can, possibly, make it happen. much more so than some trick to get a female to truly "ejaculate" or "cream". I'm not a Sexologist. I'm just an introductory science geek that enjoys sexuality. Best wishes always!

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RE: Squirting - 2/25/2014 2:32:46 AM

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But the idea of "Creaming", I feel is in the same ball game as Female Ejaculation.

Yep, that is exactly what it is and any of us who have been their know it looks like a slightly thinner version of male cum and its would never fill up a pint sized jug, so why are we seeing picture upon picture, that women on these forums are posting their own links to, of anything that looks like a pint of double cream, a giant tub of cottage cheese or something so florescent white, it can't possibly be made by the human body, coming out of them. That, I say, isn't natural, it doesn't really happen and if it does then there is some serious infection going on.

I suppose its like all things we consider sexy. It used to be, who's got the biggest tits or the tightest cunt. We just turned a corner!!

Personally, I don't think FE or squirting is any big deal. I'm really happy that we've embraced it but its not the be all of sexual experiences. It doesn't make orgasms better (at least I don't think so), it doesn't take a good man to make it happen and it doesn't make us more of a woman. There are many women who have and never will have that experience and personally I don't think they are missing a great deal.

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RE: Squirting - 2/25/2014 4:39:40 AM

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Wrong, folks, the G-spot is neither Skene's nor bladder: it's similar to the male prostate, and it has to be engorged: hence the large amount of fluid,
Taste the fluid, and you'll know it's not urine.

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RE: Squirting - 2/25/2014 4:58:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: throatfandanal

I am trying to learn how to make a sub squirt? I know about the come hither method. Could anyone offer any more advice?

Buy her a hitachi magic wand and put a dildo in at a lovely angle. Bring rain coat.

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RE: Squirting - 2/25/2014 4:59:24 AM

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Also tell her to bare down instead of holding herself. Somewhat pushing. Many times they'll assume they're about urinate so they hold themselves but it's not urine.

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RE: Squirting - 2/25/2014 5:15:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

Wrong, folks, the G-spot is neither Skene's nor bladder: it's similar to the male prostate, and it has to be engorged: hence the large amount of fluid,
Taste the fluid, and you'll know it's not urine.

Seriously?!?! Have you actually read any scientific papers about this subject? The skene's glands are the female prostate!.

Here you go: http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/90/9/713.1.full and http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Skene_s_gland.html

Skene's paraurethral glands and ducts are homologous to the male prostate and they do get fully engorged during sexual arousal. Is there a little sack somewhere else that I haven't heard about? Have you seen diagrams of the Skene's glands/female prostate when fully engorged?
You just reminded me why I had to stop reading too much into tantra.

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RE: Squirting - 2/25/2014 6:43:59 AM

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Never say never ...

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I have not now and never will squirt, I've never even come close, and I've had millions of orgasms. I literally came over 100 times in a day and did not squirt.

Well, you have my record beat, that's for sure. I don't think clitoral stimulation is the gateway there. Speaking of which, the Come Hither method has never worked on me. It gets annoying and feels like I'm being prodded by my gynecologist, which is not a sexy sensation.

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I never squirted until in my 30's, and I was one of the ones who frankly didn't believe it existed.
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'Do you ejaculate?' I would urge you to grin and say, 'Not yet!'

I didn't believe there was a G-spot that delivered on its promises nor in dedicated vaginal orgasms until I reached 30. The weird thing is I wasn't with anyone special and he was average-sized at best, and the vaginal orgasm just happened during regular intercourse. Nothing dramatic, very deep throbbing pulsations. A pleasant departure from my more intense clitoral ones, so I can last longer and have more combinations of orgasms. Shortly thereafter, I had the most well-endowed lover I'd ever had who became my boyfriend (surprise, surprise), and discovered that I could start experiencing a vaginal orgasm while I was being penetrated so, yes, size/girth does matter as long as it doesn't cause discomfort.

When it comes to squirting, I didn't separate vaginal orgasms from the difference in the abundance of whitish creamy discharge I had started having. I just assumed it went with the territory since mine has always been more like copious amounts of creaming, not squirting. That is, until I stand up and I have a gush of liquid running down my legs making puddles on the floor. (I can see how areallivehuman damn-near drowned.)

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RE: Squirting - 2/25/2014 7:01:41 AM

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I just can't stop thinking about the scene in Californication...

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RE: Squirting - 2/25/2014 7:12:04 AM

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But even if you did, please don't suggest that all these other people just don't have your sexual prowess.

You know, that's the first time, anywhere, I've seen the term 'sexual prowess' in the context of women rather than men.

And, er . . . I don't care if a woman squirts or not. If that's OK.

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RE: Squirting - 2/25/2014 7:22:47 AM

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You know, that's the first time, anywhere, I've seen the term 'sexual prowess' in the context of women rather than men.

And, er . . . I don't care if a woman squirts or not. If that's OK.

Sexual prowess is exactly why I don't view having intercourse and conventional (non-BDSM) sex as being less-than-dominant acts. You can adopt a dominant or a submissive attitude if you want, but it's just sex for crying out loud.

Any expectation on the male's part for his woman to climax is a buzzkill. Then it had to be she's multi-orgasmic. Now this. We're not one-trick ponies, so good for you, Peon. You're a fine lad.

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RE: Squirting - 2/25/2014 5:22:46 PM

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Dude! Have *you* read an anatomy text that's not wiki-related? There's a lot of crazy stuff on the web, quoting an Italian and getting passed along and [cough] watered down.

Skene's glands refers to the *distal* urethral glands, i.e., you can see them on the outside, on either side of the urethra.
The urethral sponge [the G-spot] is higher up, i.e., like the male prostate, closer to the neck of the bladder and remember, can't easily be detected until engorged.
If it were the Skene's alone, the engorgement would likely feel like two twizzlers close to the outside, rather than a ball in the middle and deeper inside. And if a Skene's gland get infected, it doesn't go up anywhere near where the G-spot is.
Sure, there may be other glands higher up, but not the Skene's alone.
Personally, my flow is from my urethra, and I've never heard anyone, personally or web-wise, say they felt only one duct let go or that they squirted only one side of their lover's smile.

We need more science! Whipple makes a good read, but I can't believe no one's done slo-mo photography on this: Now There's an episode of Mythbusters.
The only way to solve this is by careful and regular study! Volunteers? Pitchers/catchers? :-)

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RE: Squirting - 2/25/2014 8:55:12 PM

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Skene's glands refers to the *distal* urethral glands, i.e., you can see them on the outside, on either side of the urethra.

Sure, there may be other glands higher up, but not the Skene's alone.

Given varying descriptions, this must not be an isolated response but, rather, a combination of physiological responses. Unless there are some women peeing themselves and mistaking this for squirting, I know beyond the shadow of a doubt my bladder is not involved (not that any of my former subs would have minded

), and I have heard other women say the smell and taste of their fluid discharges is unlike that of urine.

Until and unless a woman experiences this phenomenon, in whatever form it takes for her personally, this squirting business will only seem like an urban legend. For males to get an ego boost out of it or bragging rights is not fair to his female partner, nor is it fair for any woman to feel pressured to perform sexually in bed. We feel self-conscious enough and sexually objectified already as it is for the most part.

ETA: Not only that, there doesn't appear to be any improvement in orgasm quality or intensity. Dialing up the excitement and the desirability of one's lover are what make the difference whether one feels sexually fulfilled, not the ability to squirt, cream, or have vaginal orgasms which are less intense than clitoral but longer lasting (and can overlap one another).

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RE: Squirting - 2/26/2014 12:32:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

Skene's glands refers to the *distal* urethral glands, i.e., you can see them on the outside, on either side of the urethra.
The urethral sponge [the G-spot] is higher up, i.e., like the male prostate, closer to the neck of the bladder and remember, can't easily be detected until engorged.

Do you understand the anatomy of the female urethra? Its only about 4cm long ffs. Where is the room for this extra sponge that has nothing to do with the Skene's ?!?!

The urethral sponge has of both erectile and glandular tissue. The glands are the Paraurethral Glands (aka the Skene’s Glands)

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If it were the Skene's alone, the engorgement would likely feel like two twizzlers close to the outside, rather than a ball in the middle and deeper inside. And if a Skene's gland get infected, it doesn't go up anywhere near where the G-spot is.
Sure, there may be other glands higher up, but not the Skene's alone.

Now this shows me you have absolutely no idea about what the urethral sponge/Skene's glands are.

We have around 30 Skene's glands that make up the urethral sponge. Those glands are tubular in shape and enmeshed in erectile tissue. They become engorged when sexually stimulated and release fluid through 30 exits into the urethral wall and sometimes vaginal wall when ejaculation takes place.

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Personally, my flow is from my urethra, and I've never heard anyone, personally or web-wise, say they felt only one duct let go or that they squirted only one side of their lover's smile.

OMG this is probably the funniest thing I've read on FE in a long time. I really should start collecting this stuff!!

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We need more science! Whipple makes a good read, but I can't believe no one's done slo-mo photography on this: Now There's an episode of Mythbusters.
The only way to solve this is by careful and regular study! Volunteers? Pitchers/catchers? :-)

We do have science. Ernst Grafenberg, Urologist Helen O'Connell and Dr. Emmanuele Jannini who you initially slated as some Wiki phenomenon, has paved the way forward in female ejaculation, why it happens and where it comes from and most importantly, its exhistance. These people honestly didn't pick up a Tantric magazine or watch too much porn to come to their conclusions.

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RE: Squirting - 2/26/2014 3:20:45 AM

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Fast reply....

Lots of mundane discussion of to squirt or not to squirt...

Frankly.... I am more concern if we got our mutual rocks off. How it looked is of little concern.

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RE: Squirting - 2/26/2014 4:45:11 AM

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Spot on.

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RE: Squirting - 2/26/2014 5:55:31 AM

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You don't have to join in a discussion. If your not interested why even bother contributing?

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