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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/4/2014 2:43:53 PM   
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Yes, you murder someone in cold blood, and may have sincere repentence, and ask for forgiveness, in sincerity it shall be forgiven. Before God's son was sent, god destroyed everything on the face of the earth because he was unhappy with the people. I have no idea what happened to those souls.
the way we believe, being a good person is commendable, but it will not give you eternal life. Everyone has their own belief system and this is the path for me.if you do not feel you need forgiven for anything then this would not be the path for you.
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And of course a homosexual can go to Heaven, that's not even a question to me! The only unforgivable sin ( in my belief system only, not trying to dis anyone elses way of believing) is not accepting Jesus Christ sincerely into your heart, soul, life, and mind. Everyone who is sincere in that changing day is welcome!!! Yes everyone.



This. This is why Christianity is so hard for me to get behind. So I could murder someone in cold blood but if I accept Jesus it's forgivable? But if I live my life being a good person, helping others, volunteering, but choose to follow a different religious path I cannot be forgiven? And honestly I don't think I have anything to be "forgiven for." I should not have to ask for forgiveness because I am not a Christian. If there is a God I don't think he'll send good people to hell because they followed a different path. And another question. As someone mentioned Christianity isn't as old as other religions. But according to the Christian way of thinking, God created the universe and everything in it. So this means God was around prior to the formation of Christianity. So none of those people who were around before Jesus were "forgiven?"





Oh no I know this path isn't for me. I don't belong to a specific religion but if I had to pick one that coincided with my beliefs it would probably be Buddhism. When did God destroy everything on the earth? This is the first I've heard of this. And historically and scientifically I don't believe there's any proof of a catastrophic event where everything on earth was destroyed around 2000 years ago.

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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/4/2014 3:20:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		You can google it and find evidence that God did flood the Earth. This is one of many website link.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/evidence-noahs-flood-ark-real-robert-ballard-archeologist-titanic_n_2273143.html



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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/4/2014 3:29:19 PM   
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You can google it and find evidence that God did flood the Earth. This is one of many website link.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/evidence-noahs-flood-ark-real-robert-ballard-archeologist-titanic_n_2273143.html




That still wouldn't explain the ark, must have been a really big ship, you know with a pair of each animal, and the carnivores with the herbivores together, I would have thought that some would have been eaten, wasn't it something like quite a long flood, the food for the herbivores would have taken up A LOT of room... Somehow the logistics don't add up...

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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/4/2014 3:32:17 PM   
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You can google it and find evidence that God did flood the Earth.


Pretty much every religion says that the earth was flooded. It's not relegated to Christianity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth


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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/4/2014 3:33:34 PM   
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You can google it and find evidence that God did flood the Earth. This is one of many website link.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/evidence-noahs-flood-ark-real-robert-ballard-archeologist-titanic_n_2273143.html



For those of 'little faith' and a working brain: as pointed out recently in a similar thread, that takes a LOT of water. 10 times what is here now? Where did it all go? If God plays games with Physics, we are living in a funhouse of smoke and mirrors, hardly what any loving God would subject his worshipers to?

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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/4/2014 3:35:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Uh, didnt require a god to flood the earth, we know the science, and by god, how is it noahs ark?  They find his drivers license at the crashsite?  Do some dna sampling on a known decendant?

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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/4/2014 3:39:43 PM   
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You can google it and find evidence that God did flood the Earth. This is one of many website link.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/evidence-noahs-flood-ark-real-robert-ballard-archeologist-titanic_n_2273143.html



And from that link: "Many have claimed to have discovered evidence of Noah's Ark, the huge ship that Noah filled with two of each creature to repopulate the planet following God's devastating flood. But in the 1990s, geologists William Ryan and Walter Pitman gathered compelling evidence that showed a flood--if not an ark--may have occurred in the Middle East region about 7,500 years ago, PBS reports."

And that would be about 5,500 years too early for when this was supposed to have happened - even if it were true.
For those that believe the earth is only 6,000 years old, it would still be 1,500 years earlier than the creation of the earth.
The whole flood myth (according to the good book) flooded the whole earth and that is why Noah had to save at least two of each specimen of the earth so he could repopulate it.
This link would only prove local flooding, even if it was quite extensive and obviously devastating.
That's not what the good book says about the flood.

Just goes to show that the good book is telling porkies or distorted the truth beyond belief.
And the christians wonder why many are questioning the "truth" of the good book and now not believing it??

The Earth has undergone many catastrophic upheavals and changes in its lifetime so far.
No doubt, there is more to come sometime in the future.


ETA: Even if there was such a flood, there is no evidence to suggest that a supreme being caused it.

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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/4/2014 4:38:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Listen closely to what I'm about to say. One of the most fundamental aspects about Christianity is you have to have FAITH. Without faith you will always criticize and doubt. O' ye of little faith.

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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/4/2014 4:44:38 PM   
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Listen closely to what I'm about to say. One of the most fundamental aspects about Christianity is you have to have FAITH. Without faith you will always criticize and doubt. O' ye of little faith.



I assume you never have heard about the Jesuits, who dedicate a great deal of their time to science...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Jesus#Jesuits_in_science

So you quoting links claiming that the big flood of Noah *might* is OK and doesn't require faith, but if you don't know the answers you claim that facts don't matter... Just out of curiosity, what do you do for work?

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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/4/2014 4:56:45 PM   
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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/4/2014 5:03:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just wondered due to your answer, because most jobs do require that you're able to deal with facts and logic...

But you didn't address the rest of my questions... So I would say you made this about you...

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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/4/2014 5:03:13 PM   
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Listen closely to what I'm about to say. One of the most fundamental aspects about Christianity is you have to have FAITH. Without faith you will always criticize and doubt. O' ye of little faith.


The Pope disagrees with you:

A Jesuit reflects on the Jesuit pope's interview by Jesuits

...If a person says that he met God with total certainty and is not touched by a margin of uncertainty, then this is not good. For me, this is an important key. If one has the answers to all the questions -- that is the proof that God is not with him. It means that he is a false prophet using religion for himself.

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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/4/2014 5:05:37 PM   
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Listen closely to what I'm about to say. One of the most fundamental aspects about Christianity is you have to have FAITH. Without faith you will always criticize and doubt. O' ye of little faith.


The Pope disagrees with you:

A Jesuit reflects on the Jesuit pope's interview by Jesuits

...If a person says that he met God with total certainty and is not touched by a margin of uncertainty, then this is not good. For me, this is an important key. If one has the answers to all the questions -- that is the proof that God is not with him. It means that he is a false prophet using religion for himself.


Yes - thinking is in fact a necessary and expected part of religion. Too many people sign on to this "faith is the only thing necessary" notion of religion, and NO religion I know of actually says that.

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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/4/2014 5:08:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		My dad was raised in a boarding school by Jesuits, he's still very Catholic but he was never one to close his mind to science and just said that the bible was never meant to be taken literally... Oh and he decided to pursue a career in science and was quite successful, science doesn't tend to work with blind faith...

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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/4/2014 5:16:13 PM   
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Too many people sign on to this "faith is the only thing necessary" notion of religion, and NO religion I know of actually says that.


Although faith isn't the only thing necessary, it is still necessary:

Hebrews 11:6 ESV And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

Hebrews 11:1 ESV: Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

And I can go on and on and on with Bible quotes.

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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/4/2014 5:18:01 PM   
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Yes - thinking is in fact a necessary and expected part of religion. Too many people sign on to this "faith is the only thing necessary" notion of religion, and NO religion I know of actually says that.


Yes, mine specifically says the opposite:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism#Beliefs

The defining belief of Unitarian Universalism is that religion is a matter of individual experience, and that, therefore, only the individual can decide what to "believe." The roots of this belief can be found in the Unitarian insistence on freedom of personal conscience in matters of faith. As a result, while Unitarian Universalists have no required creed, they treat as a sacred value complete and responsible freedom of speech, thought, belief, faith, and disposition. Unitarian Universalists believe that each person is free to search for his or her own personal truth on issues, such as the existence, nature, and meaning of life, deities, creation, and afterlife.

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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/4/2014 5:18:41 PM   
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Too many people sign on to this "faith is the only thing necessary" notion of religion, and NO religion I know of actually says that.


Although faith isn't the only thing necessary, it is still necessary:

Hebrews 11:6 ESV And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

Hebrews 11:1 ESV: Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

And I can go on and on and on with Bible quotes.



Please find me a bible quote that says somebody needs to deliberately ignore facts? I'm quite faithful that those are a bit harder to find

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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/4/2014 5:23:34 PM   
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Please find me a bible quote that says somebody needs to deliberately ignore facts? I'm quite faithful that those are a bit harder to find


I never said that one needs to deliberately ignore facts. But I did say one needs to have faith in order to be a Christian and understand the Bible.

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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/4/2014 5:24:59 PM   
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Too many people sign on to this "faith is the only thing necessary" notion of religion, and NO religion I know of actually says that.


Although faith isn't the only thing necessary, it is still necessary:

Hebrews 11:6 ESV And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

Hebrews 11:1 ESV: Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

And I can go on and on and on with Bible quotes.



The bible also says that you can't wear clothes of mixed fabric. I notice your wearing a tshirt in your profile picture. It also condones the owning of slaves. Not being a slave in the BDSM, but being forcibly enslaved against your will. As a black woman I'm sure you don't agree with that?


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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/4/2014 5:30:00 PM   
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Please find me a bible quote that says somebody needs to deliberately ignore facts? I'm quite faithful that those are a bit harder to find


I never said that one needs to deliberately ignore facts. But I did say one needs to have faith in order to be a Christian and understand the Bible.



But you seem to deliberately ignore questions that ask about facts and reply with "faith" - so you are ignoring facts.

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