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ORIGINAL: Artisculation2
Russia can just turn the energy tap off and Europe can do fuck all.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

" I drink your milkshake"

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

The fact is you are a card-carrying member of the flat earth society than denies global warming. If you can't get those facts right, it's hard to take you seriously about foreign affairs.

Next, if you really feel badly for the Ukraine, why don't you travel there and help man the barricades -- why do you need "big government" to do a job you can undertake yourself?

You want to offer American support for the Ukraine, well, get your butt over there.

First, they are not facts.

Second, that is exactly what Government is supposed to do, provide for the common defense of it's citizens and those it makes treaties with, so asking "Big Government" to do it's constitutional job is exactly what we should do and it's job is not health care coverage or Social Security for that matter otherwise it would have been doing that from 1776 get go.

Third, get your butt over there.

So which treaty did the US make to defend Ukraine with military force....... Its not hard, not even remotely hard.

Might doesnt makes right but facts make people look stupid.

And who here has advocated America defending Ukraine? Is that the limit of your intelligence or imagination? I provided a list of possible responses earlier. None of them sending combat troops.

Some things I *would* consider:

Selling modern military equipment to Ukrainians on a lend lease basis, with or without trainers.
Send a task force to the black sea.
Cut off Russian access to the Internet. (I know.. not a popular idea here).
Put a ban on American oil companies participation in siberian oil field development. (Which the russians are desperate for).
Announce preferred trading status for Ukraine.
Remove prefer trading status for Russia.
Expel russia from G-8.
Expel the russian ambassador.
Pass the keystone pipeline and sign preferred LNG gas contracts with Ukraine.
Expedite the development of the poish radar and check anti missile site.
Suspend all visa's for Russians visiting the US.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

The fact is you are a card-carrying member of the flat earth society than denies global warming. If you can't get those facts right, it's hard to take you seriously about foreign affairs.

Next, if you really feel badly for the Ukraine, why don't you travel there and help man the barricades -- why do you need "big government" to do a job you can undertake yourself?

You want to offer American support for the Ukraine, well, get your butt over there.

First, they are not facts.

Second, that is exactly what Government is supposed to do, provide for the common defense of it's citizens and those it makes treaties with, so asking "Big Government" to do it's constitutional job is exactly what we should do and it's job is not health care coverage or Social Security for that matter otherwise it would have been doing that from 1776 get go.

Third, get your butt over there.

So which treaty did the US make to defend Ukraine with military force....... Its not hard, not even remotely hard.

Might doesnt makes right but facts make people look stupid.

And who here has advocated America defending Ukraine? Is that the limit of your intelligence or imagination? I provided a list of possible responses earlier. None of them sending combat troops.

Some things I *would* consider:

Selling modern military equipment to Ukrainians on a lend lease basis, with or without trainers.
Send a task force to the black sea.
Cut off Russian access to the Internet. (I know.. not a popular idea here).
Put a ban on American oil companies participation in siberian oil field development. (Which the russians are desperate for).
Announce preferred trading status for Ukraine.
Remove prefer trading status for Russia.
Expel russia from G-8.
Expel the russian ambassador.
Pass the keystone pipeline and sign preferred LNG gas contracts with Ukraine.
Expedite the development of the poish radar and check anti missile site.
Suspend all visa's for Russians visiting the US.

Lmao before you question my intelligence, take a look at your own and re-read Arturas`s post again.

If you manage to do that, take a look at some of the other right wing posts on the boards.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

First, neither Arturas nor myself actually suggested sending armed troops to the Ukraine.
You are deliberately misconstruing his position.

Cloudboy's schoolgirl taunt "why don't you get your butt over to the baricades" got the response it deserved.
Which is: As American's we entrust the government to look after our interests.

In other words, we have a standing army instead of militias. We pay for a State Department to conduct diplomacy. And we are all vested with free speech to voice our opinions as to what that course of action should be.

Regarding right wing / left wing posts: I'm pretty much the crassest right wing poster. But I pale in comparison to the invective hurled by lefties. Certain posters in virtually every post call those on the right idiots, tea-baggers, neo-cons. And I suggest to you that it is virtually impossible to make an anticlimate warming post here without being insulted in reply.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
As American's we entrust the government to look after our interests.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
As American's we entrust the government to look after our interests.

When do you do that then? I've yet to see a post from you where you trust the current Government to do anything...

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Yes, I must be left wing as I continually point out your bullshit posts.

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Majority rule only works if you're also considering individual rights. Because you can't have five wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for supper.
Larry Flynt

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Yes, I must be left wing as I continually point out your bullshit posts.

Actually you're a commie as you have reading comprehension and you aren't a climate change denier. How dare you... Hold on, aren't you also one of those Monarchy loving Tories?

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
As American's we entrust the government to look after our interests.

When do you do that then? I've yet to see a post from you where you trust the current Government to do anything...

And generally speaking that is EXACTLY the kind of government I'd like. Not just the current government. I'd be all in favor of getting rid of 50% of the federal government.

Historically speaking most of the founders thought similarly.

Random quotes:

Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one. - Thomas Paine

Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.
P. J. O'Rourke

The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments.
George Washington

It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.
Thomas Jefferson

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
George Washington

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
George Washington

Government 'help' to business is just as disastrous as government persecution... the only way a government can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping its hands off.
Ayn Rand

That government is best which governs least.
Henry David Thoreau

Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what's going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?
Will Rogers

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
Milton Friedman

This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer.
Will Rogers

The greatest advances of civilization, whether in architecture or painting, in science and literature, in industry or agriculture, have never come from centralized government.

For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the very definition of slavery.
Jonathan Swift


If men were angels, no government would be necessary.
James Madison

Majority rule only works if you're also considering individual rights. Because you can't have five wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for supper.
Larry Flynt

Majority rule only works if you're also considering individual rights. Because you can't have five wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for supper.
Larry Flynt

This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.
Abraham Lincoln

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

I don't think PJ O'Rourke, Ayn Rand or Milton Friedman ever owned slaves, however much they'd have liked to.

Mind you, they weren't founding fathers, either: it's almost as if that list of quotes was cut and pasted unexamined from some site devoted to self righteous libertarian twatwaffle.

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"I hope they have the guts to fight for their country. Else they may well lose it entirely. Surrendering will only allow the Russians to push further.. and further.. and further.

The russians will win a fire fight in Crimea without a US task force. But it would show the Russians what they can expect in the rest of the country.

The Ukraine is a weak country, being bullied by a strong one. President Chickenshit needs to wake up before tanks roll on Kiev.

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Majority rule only works if you're also considering individual rights. Because you can't have five wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for supper.
Larry Flynt