Phydeaux
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Got news for you buddy. I volunteered for the military. How 'bout you?
Volunteering for the military might help the US cause -- but it has little to do with helping the Ukraine. It seems, then, that you might have a lot to offer to the Ukrainian militia.
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I reject the assertion of "torture". I know liberals like to assert waterboarding is torture. But then liberals like to sanitize a lot of words - "choice" for "murder", for example. But, here's the definition of torture:
tor·ture
[tawr-cher] Show IPA noun
1.the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2. a method of inflicting such pain.
3.Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4.extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5.a cause of severe pain or anguish.
You are insane.
Can't dispute the definition so engage in ad hominem attacks. Pretty much standard lefty play book. Got it.
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Do I think our soldiers are illiterate? No. Seems you do.
The term is culturally illiterate.
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Does he really think that culturally ill-literate, Pentagon - State Department - CIA interventions will do anyone any good?
So from that it is readily apparent your opinion of the Pentagon, our State Department and our CIA.
So apparently you think you need to 'culturally literate' to wage a war.
And you think that in our entire State Department and CIA we don't have any culturally literate people, despite the fact that our case officers typically have years of experience in the bureaus in which they serve. And in far *are* posted there.
As opposed to Obama's ambassadors. But I digress.]quote:
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Seems you also think John Kerry is illiterate. Now while I think he's a poodle, I concede his ability to read.
Do you often support illiterate democrats for public office?
It takes years of living in a country and speaking its language to be culturally literate. This is just a fact.
So John Kerry is illiterate in Texas, Russia, Syria, Israel, Iran.
By that score isn't Hillary Clinton?
Why is your democratic president appointing illiterate people to office?
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By your assertion that "real americans get involved in causes by going abroad and signing up". From this I must conclude therefore that you are either not an american or you don't believe in any causes - because otherwise you'd go abroad and sign up.
Not true, I have been abroad and put myself into the things I believe and have never blithely advocated that US intervene in places like IRAQ or Vietnam.
I'm making fun of your argument, which richly deserves to be mocked.
You said - "real americans get involved in causes by going abroad and signing up". Stupid on its face.
So if you believe in knitting, you should go abroad and sign up. I'm holding you to the same standard you said was appropriate to me. Since you seem to believe in Obamacare- you should go overseas and sign up.
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You still fundamentally don't, indeed, understand my position. I don't want Big Government for anything.
Actually, your position is massively hypocritical. You are, without a doubt, a cafeteria style "libertarian," and it is a joke.
Oh you'll have to do better than that. Backup to that assertion, please. Because of course its just more ad hominem.
There are many things I believe in. Goverment regulation of drugs, air, water. Government regulations on interstate commerce. Defense. I believe in the regulation of commercial airwaves and airspace. Many many things.
On the flip side, I dont' believe in funding Congress to the tune of 20 billion a year.
I dont' believe in funding art.
I don't believe in most social research.
I do believe in cutting all the bases the Pentagon has indicated it doesn't need. And probably more.
I do believe in cutting military programs the pentagon doesn't need.
I do believe in cutting the post office.
I don't believe we need 68 layers of beauracracy between the average citizen and the president.
I don't believe we need 4 people signing obama's signatures on crap.
I don't believe we need $7000 credits so millionairs can by teslas...quote:
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As for interventions abroad with positive outcomes.. How many would you like?
Kosovo, Sudan, Israel / Egypt (Camp David Peace accords. Israel in general.
Grenada. Nicaraugua. SEATO. CENTO. NATO. Liberia.
Poland, East Germany, the baltic states. The Marshall plan. The American imposed constitution in Japan.
Panama. The Lousianna Purchase. The Gadsen Purchase.
Seward's Folly.
Many of the things you are citing above are not interventions in far off places outside the US sphere of influence and national interest. Also, when the US gets dragged into a conflict, is usually does better than when it goes it alone. (1st IRAQ War, WWII.) Its hard for me to see connections between Nicaragua, Japan, Panama, Nicaragua, Grenada, Isreal/Egypt, Sudan, Kososo, The Marshall Plan, WWII and the Ukraine. What are you doing, throw anything that you can find against the wall to see if it sticks?
You can 't see the connection so rather than ask what it might be another adhominen.
Panama. The US militarily intervened to create the state, in order to build the canal. Seems to have worked in the american interest.
Grenada. The US militarily intervened. It seems to have worked in the american interest.
The marshal plan. A State Department plan for the reconstruction of Europe, and as a bulwark against soviet expansion. Seems to have worked to the American interest.
Japan. A military and State department intervention. We imposed a western constitution and it seems to have worked to the advantage of both the US and Japan.
Israel/Egypt State department. We intervened and put heavy pressure on both to broker a deal. Seems to have worked in the american interest.
And on it goes. Your question was: Does he really think that culturally ill-literate, Pentagon - State Department - CIA interventions will do anyone any good? If so, can he cite any recent positive examples of this.
So I cited you an abundance of examples. quote:
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Do you really think *every* intervention should be successful? Do you think that a reasonable standard?
I just wish you would quit spouting stupid, indefatigable ignorance.
Clearly you don't know what the word ignorance means. I am better informed on all these topics than you are. I have a differing opinion on them than you.
But thanks for indefatigable. One of my favorite compliments.
< Message edited by Phydeaux -- 3/22/2014 6:16:16 PM >
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