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RE: BAD ONLINE POETRY - 7/8/2006 12:37:28 PM   
Evanesce


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Status: offline 		OK, so I just spent the last 15 minutes or so reading all four pages of this thread.  What I find interesting is the concerted effort by a number of people to deny TreSwank his right to voice his opinion.  The boy doesn't like bad poetry.  So what?  He's not allowed to say he doesn't like it because it might offend someone else?  Well, I find the attempts to shout him down equally offensive, and I don't blame him for going on the offensive when almost everyone else is trying to turn him into Public Enemy #1 just because he voiced an "unpopular" opinion.
 
Some of you seemed to scoff at the idea that anyone could possibly support his position, simply because the only support he got was private.  Well, I don't like that agonizingly sappy, pseudo-intellectual crap, either.  There... I've said it publicly, and I've got asbestos undies, so flame away.
 
Oh... and TreSwank?  I can out-crochet you any day.

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RE: BAD ONLINE POETRY - 7/8/2006 12:40:30 PM   
Evanesce


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quote:

This puppy is writing a lot of bad poems
Enough to fill up many volumes of tomes.
The rest of you people, the rest of you chumps,
Could really contribute, if you got offa yer rumps!


No can do.  My poetry sucks.  I'm more of a prose kinda girl. 

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RE: BAD ONLINE POETRY - 7/8/2006 12:42:44 PM   
txpet


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Status: offline 		i can answer for no one but myself ... i do not care that he does not like poetry on profiles or in journals ... i do care about the way in which he has chosen to express his opinion.

As far as the support he received in private ... i could not care less either way ... no matter what Anyone's opinion is, there will be someone to support it ... and i don't mean just in BDSM, but in anything, anywhere



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RE: BAD ONLINE POETRY - 7/8/2006 12:50:18 PM   
hardvolume


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Okay, everybody, I'm the "strapping fellow" who sent Tre the PM. For the record, and for what it's worth, I really could not log in to the forums last night. All I could do was send him a message. I still can't use the forums under my normal handle (DiabloGrande), so I had to use another one.

Tre, I find it amusing that even you obviously didn't believe me when I said I couldn't log in. I appreciate you respecting my privacy, though.

To respond to the person who called me a "self-professed liar": if I'm a liar, so is everybody else who's ever refrained from giving his true opinion so as to spare someone's feelings. If you've never done that, congratulations--you're truly exceptional.

To be very candid, there have been a couple of times when women--women I truly cared about--read me their poetry, and it struck me as being so God-awful that I just didn't know how to respond. What do I say? Here's this girl putting her heart on the line, but she has no writing ability. I can't bear to hurt her feelings, so I lie. Does that point to a character weakness in me? Maybe. But you could also argue that total, unflinching honesty in all circumstances points to a lack of empathy. I think that most people who are honest overall would be willing to lie to avoid causing pain. And when I've lied to women about liking their poetry, that has been my only reason; it's had nothing to do with getting to fuck.  

I regret being so caustic in the message that Tre quoted. Not only because I caused a mess I've now got to fix, but also because "caustic and uncharitable" is completely out of character for me. I was unnecessarily cruel and I'm sorry. Before you start slinging rocks at me, please remember that I could have just as easily never admitted to writing the original message and no one would have been the wiser.

Thanks.

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RE: BAD ONLINE POETRY - 7/8/2006 12:57:05 PM   
givemyall


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Status: offline 		I wont sling anything at you apart from a compliment - congrats on owning up - nice to see people stand by their beliefs
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RE: BAD ONLINE POETRY - 7/8/2006 1:01:14 PM   
doll


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Status: offline 		I don't have a problem with people voicing their opinions...I actually talked to Tre in a few emails(he messaged me) and though he is sarcastic and annoying at times, he is also a very nice person.

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RE: BAD ONLINE POETRY - 7/8/2006 1:29:25 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Evanesce

OK, so I just spent the last 15 minutes or so reading all four pages of this thread.  What I find interesting is the concerted effort by a number of people to deny TreSwank his right to voice his opinion.  The boy doesn't like bad poetry.  So what?  He's not allowed to say he doesn't like it because it might offend someone else?  Well, I find the attempts to shout him down equally offensive, and I don't blame him for going on the offensive when almost everyone else is trying to turn him into Public Enemy #1 just because he voiced an "unpopular" opinion.
 
Some of you seemed to scoff at the idea that anyone could possibly support his position, simply because the only support he got was private.  Well, I don't like that agonizingly sappy, pseudo-intellectual crap, either.  There... I've said it publicly, and I've got asbestos undies, so flame away.
 


Actually I don't care for poetry on a profile, but I would never start a thread just to bash peoples posting of their poetry.

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RE: BAD ONLINE POETRY - 7/8/2006 1:38:50 PM   
joyinslavery


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quote:

ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

This puppy is writing a lot of bad poems
Enough to fill up many volumes of tomes.
The rest of you people, the rest of you chumps,
Could really contribute, if you got offa yer rumps!

Yours,


benji


Those are some beautiful poems benji!  Ah, don't you just love poetry?! 

Btw, I think you're brilliant!   

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RE: BAD ONLINE POETRY - 7/8/2006 1:54:32 PM   
gooddogbenji


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Status: offline 		joyinslavery,

Honestly, they aren't bad, but beautiful is very different.  I mean, describing the love for my Mistress when I see her silhouette in a parisian sunset, or similar BS, is beautiful.

Describing Holly being fisted by Santa Clause is entertaining, but far from beautiful.

But thank you!

Yours,


benji

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RE: BAD ONLINE POETRY - 7/8/2006 2:03:39 PM   
joyinslavery


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quote:

ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

joyinslavery,

Honestly, they aren't bad, but beautiful is very different.  I mean, describing the love for my Mistress when I see her silhouette in a parisian sunset, or similar BS, is beautiful.

Describing Holly being fisted by Santa Clause is entertaining, but far from beautiful.

But thank you!

Yours,


benji


Remember benji, beauty is in the eye of the beholder!  

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RE: BAD ONLINE POETRY - 7/8/2006 2:23:16 PM   
IronBear


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Status: offline 		On a personal basis, I love poetry in profiles or in threads. Having said thus I'll leave you Oh so gentlke readers two of my favourite poems by my favourite poet.

The Moving Finger writes; and having writ,
Moves on; nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel; half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.

  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Here with a Loaf of bread beneath the Bough,
A Flask of Wine, a Book of Verse - and Thou
Beside me singing in the Wilderness-
And Wilderness is Paradise enow.  
Omah Khayyam

< Message edited by IronBear -- 7/8/2006 2:25:11 PM >

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RE: BAD ONLINE POETRY - 7/8/2006 2:26:19 PM   
joyinslavery


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Evanesce

OK, so I just spent the last 15 minutes or so reading all four pages of this thread.  What I find interesting is the concerted effort by a number of people to deny TreSwank his right to voice his opinion.  The boy doesn't like bad poetry.  So what?  He's not allowed to say he doesn't like it because it might offend someone else?  Well, I find the attempts to shout him down equally offensive, and I don't blame him for going on the offensive when almost everyone else is trying to turn him into Public Enemy #1 just because he voiced an "unpopular" opinion.
 
Some of you seemed to scoff at the idea that anyone could possibly support his position, simply because the only support he got was private.  Well, I don't like that agonizingly sappy, pseudo-intellectual crap, either.  There... I've said it publicly, and I've got asbestos undies, so flame away.
 
Oh... and TreSwank?  I can out-crochet you any day.


I think what you've missed is this is not about poetry or the OP voicing his opinion but, rather, the way the OP goes about it.  Shouting him down?  Denying him his right?  C'mon.  There are PLENTY of people here who's opinions I do not share.  You say you read the thread and some of the OP's replies?  Yeah.  A stand-up, quality guy worth defending without a doubt.  Think what you may...we're all entitled. 

Thank you for being a brave defender of freedom of speech here on the boards. 

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RE: BAD ONLINE POETRY - 7/8/2006 2:28:05 PM   
gooddogbenji


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Status: offline 		IronBear,

I find it entertainingly ironic that you had to go back and edit a line, literally, of your post.

quote:



nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel; half a Line



Yours,


benji

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RE: BAD ONLINE POETRY - 7/8/2006 2:32:38 PM   
Mercnbeth


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STOP...
 



turn around...
 
 
 
and...
 
 
quickly...
 
 
 

walk away from the computer!!!

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RE: BAD ONLINE POETRY - 7/8/2006 2:33:15 PM   
IronBear


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Status: offline 		Ironic yep it benji but sadly after another night without sleep it twas but necessary to remove a couple of typos.  But hey mate irony is but another a higher form of wit so mayhap we be wity people? Or was that twitty? 

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RE: BAD ONLINE POETRY - 7/8/2006 2:35:19 PM   
gooddogbenji


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Status: offline 		Ummmmmm....  If I had stopped where I was told to, I would not have read the rest of the instructions, and would be back to reading stupid haikus about slavery.  Luckily, I don't listen to anyone anyway, so I finished reading your post.  I hope the people who truly hate bad poetry listen as well as I do.

Yours,


benji

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RE: BAD ONLINE POETRY - 7/8/2006 2:44:23 PM   
gooddogbenji


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quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

Ironic yep it benji but sadly after another night without sleep it twas but necessary to remove a couple of typos.  But hey mate irony is but another a higher form of wit so mayhap we be wity people? Or was that twitty? 



You, I would say, are quite witty.  I, I would say, am mostly twitty, sarcastic, and rude.  So you're partially right on both counts!

Yours,


benji

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RE: BAD ONLINE POETRY - 7/8/2006 2:52:36 PM   
gentlethistle


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quote:

ORIGINAL: TreSwank
Does anyone else out there get the same sort of gag-reflex reaction when they see BAD ONLINE POETRY?


Yes, yes I do.  And it's a terrible cross to carry.  But somehow we have to endure the eternal darkest torment that spirals through the universal agony...etc etc. 


quote:

ORIGINAL: TreSwank
but can't they see that their poetry stinks? 


No, no they can't.  And we just have to suck that fact up.  Even if we run laughing from the room and spit when no one is looking.  Some people genuinely believe that if they use enough adjectives and abstract nouns to try to express a heartfelt emotion then this is 'poetry'.  Most people who write 'poetry' don't actually read contemporary poetry at all.  They don't necessarily feel passionate about language, words and unique forms of expression, expression by allusion and metaphor rather than direct assertion (and so on and so on).  The reason I don't write poetry myself is that the requirement is just too great.  How do you keep words both precise enough and free enough?  I know that the answer isn't to borrow a riff from a greetings card and slap in my lover's name...but that's an arrogant approach on my part.  Anyone else can do any damn thing they please with words...stretch them on a rack, pinion them to the floor until the last hint of sense bleeds from their very syllables.  It's allowed.  It's their kink.  They can do it.  And we should close the door softly, walk away and do our sniggering as quietly as we possibly can in the cupboard.

And we shouldn't get into a snit about spelling and punctuation either.  Know why?  Because one day someone will catch us out with an over-blown, untelling metaphor, a stray apostrophe or comprehensive dyslexia.  And we'll look frightful hypocrites for rounding on someone else....

I applaud Celeste's approach.  Celebrate BAD ONLINE POETRY.  The net is full of the stuff....maybe it's actually the 'dark matter' that the universe is mostly made up of?  We need to get over ourselves....and try writing the stuff (not sure that writing bad haiku really counts, I think you have to at least knock out a sonnet to make the grade).  After all...if we can't actually write anything as bad, who the hell are we to criticise?

Laura

P.S.  And if this seems like a harsh response, consider instead that BAD POETRY is a badge.  You see the stanzas and you know to leave the poster alone.  If she puts it in her profile, move on.  You wouldn't want her....and knowing that you take such a supercillious attitude to her chosen form of expression, she wouldn't want you either.  It really has served its purpose.

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RE: BAD ONLINE POETRY - 7/8/2006 3:19:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: gentlethistle


And we shouldn't get into a snit about spelling and punctuation either.  Know why?  Because one day someone will catch us out with an over-blown, untelling metaphor, a stray apostrophe or comprehensive dyslexia.  And we'll look frightful hypocrites for rounding on someone else....

Laura



I had comprehensive dyslexia once; stayed on the commode for hours.
 
Seriously, a nice post Laura.

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RE: BAD ONLINE POETRY - 7/8/2006 4:13:43 PM   
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I've never heard so much claptrap!   jeeezzzz

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