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RE: Upcoming elections - America's hot button topics - 4/10/2014 5:27:05 PM   
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nobody I talk to about politics is interested in Hillary.


I think the names Bush and Clinton are equally politically dead for at least one generation.

Really?
So what harm did Clinton cause comparable to staging an invasion of a foreign nation under false pretences and crashing the global economy? Maybe it's just me, but I don't see lying about getting his cock sucked as being in quite the same league as that stuff.


ummm WHO was it that said Saddam Husain had WMD's???


Bill Clinton: Clear Evidence of Iraqi WMD Program
February 17, 1998 - Speech given to the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon staff concerning the need to deny Saddam Hussein of weapons of mass destruction.

Clinton to Saddam: You cannot defy the will of the world
Together, we must confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons and the outlaw states, terrorists, and organized criminals seeking to acquire them ...


Bill Clinton 1998 Iraq Liberation Act
Bill Clinton on The Iraq Liberation Act in 1998. November 15, 1998 and December 16, 1998.

Clinton Orders Missile Attack (1993)
"These actions were directed against the Iraqi government, which was responsible for the assassination plot. Saddam Hussein has demonstrated repeatedly that he will ...

and that's just a FEW of the quotes by Clinton and other dems INCLUDING hillory clinton

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

in this snopes article it says well but they were arguing against military action but in every single one of them they CLEARLY STATE they are 100% SURE S H has WMD'S

as for the GLOBAL ECONOMIC COLLAPSE

pretend anything you like everyone knows it was bill Clinton who signed the revamped CRA that directly lead to the economic collapse


as for the whole BJ LIE thing, tell ya what I said at the time, what kind of country bumbkin pres can't keep a BJ secret, I'm glad he doesn't have any IMPORTANT secrets to keep...

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RE: Upcoming elections - America's hot button topics - 4/10/2014 5:32:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Uh, it was W the nutsacker that said he had them, read in depth what you cited. Clinton blew the fuckers up when they were trying to make them. That was in the DIA, CIA et al intel. And in the reality.

But that probably ain't gonna be a hot button in the election. There ain't no way nutsackers can talk their way out of that shit. They will have to say something else really fuckin stupid and pretend its true. That ship has sailed, and that dog won't hunt.



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RE: Upcoming elections - America's hot button topics - 4/10/2014 5:54:21 PM   
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Uh, it was W the nutsacker that said he had them, read in depth what you cited. Clinton blew the fuckers up when they were trying to make them. That was in the DIA, CIA et al intel. And in the reality.

But that probably ain't gonna be a hot button in the election. There ain't no way nutsackers can talk their way out of that shit. They will have to say something else really fuckin stupid and pretend its true. That ship has sailed, and that dog won't hunt.





Clinton blew them up, really? you mean in the 1993 missle strike against their equivilant of the CIA building?

sorry dude that missle strike had NOTHING to do with WMD's it was in retaliation to a plot to assasinate bush1

but lets just PRETEND that missle strike was at WMD's then WHY did he say 5 years later he was ABSOLUTLEY SURE they had WMD's???

was there a 2nd strike in Iraq I missed?

BTW I never said W did not say it, just that both Clinton's ALSO SAID IT, as well as many other democrats, and BTW they said it LONG BEFORE BUSH DID!

PS. I never said it would be an issue in this election, just addressing what was posted, I mean I didn't BRING IT UP, HE DID!

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RE: Upcoming elections - America's hot button topics - 4/10/2014 8:51:52 PM   
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1.) Obama care
2.) Gay marriage
3.) Everything about guns
4.) Accusing Democrats of wanting to raise taxes
5.) Cutting military spending.
6.) Benghazi

Otherwise no important issues that really need to be addressed because they can’t win doing that.

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RE: Upcoming elections - America's hot button topics - 4/10/2014 9:06:53 PM   
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RE: Upcoming elections - America's hot button topics - 4/11/2014 11:58:40 AM   
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Chemical weapons are WMDs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack

As to nuclear WMDs, I may have a speck of inside information as to why it was reported Iraq was going nuclear.

When civilian contract crews went into Iraq to put nuclear facilities into a safe condition; there were copies of a lot of reports that didn't match the actual condition of the facilities.

One plant manager had glowing progress reports he had sent to Baghdad that basically claimed they would have plutonium production going in weeks and have critical mass quantities of bomb grade in a month or so. The actual construction progress of the facility would make it more like 1-2 years.

Can't you see some CIA analyst getting hands on that and reporting "Iraq will have nuclear bombs within six months".

One question that was never answered was where all the highly enriched Uranium (read bomb grade) the French sent to Iraq went to. Jaque Mitterand went to school with Saddam Hussein. During the Mitterand administration, France did a lot to create a nuclear industry in Iraq.

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RE: Upcoming elections - America's hot button topics - 4/11/2014 12:09:05 PM   
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What you may see as a big issue isn't what other people see as big issues. Gender inequality are a problem for those who feel its impacts, same for immigrants, and many people in your country feel the squeeze of the minimum wage.
While I agree that quality of the environment and climate change are serious issues, there's more problems than just those you deem as "important."
Your opinion on these issues isn't golden, and there's more problems created by your own party than you're willing to admit.


Actually, the things listed as "important" were according to the results of the Gallup poll.

The important topics, come early November, may very easily be completely different from a March Gallup poll, though. The only poll that really matters is the one tallied by the election committees from votes cast.


I agree plus those top three are always the top three so how did Obama get in if they are issues, why the public perceives that now the repubs will cure ?

I realize the public may have short memories but for repub success they will need to forget how the economy tanked, why unemployment got so high, how the health care is so un-affordable and and just who over 30 years (especially 00-08) has created bigger more powerful govt.

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RE: Upcoming elections - America's hot button topics - 4/11/2014 12:23:46 PM   
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nobody I talk to about politics is interested in Hillary.


I think the names Bush and Clinton are equally politically dead for at least one generation.

Really?
So what harm did Clinton cause comparable to staging an invasion of a foreign nation under false pretences and crashing the global economy? Maybe it's just me, but I don't see lying about getting his cock sucked as being in quite the same league as that stuff.


as for the GLOBAL ECONOMIC COLLAPSE

pretend anything you like everyone knows it was bill Clinton who signed the revamped CRA that directly lead to the economic collapse


as for the whole BJ LIE thing, tell ya what I said at the time, what kind of country bumbkin pres can't keep a BJ secret, I'm glad he doesn't have any IMPORTANT secrets to keep...

Once and for all...the CRA had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the economic collapse. CRA mortgages were less than 5% of all MBS loans. Some say as little as 3%.

As I have stated here, a personal friend has been in the mortgage business since long before CRA. Ever since, his mortgage co. has not made a SINGLE CRA loan and never heard from the fed. govt. There is no law behind the CRA except that should one choose to underwrite such loans, the capitalist entitlement of Fannie and Freddie was to buy them up.

First there is no LEGAL requirement to make those loans and as proof, there is no...enforcement mechanism. Get over it. It was the Graham bill that Clinton was convinced to sign that removed Glass-Steagall protections from corrupt investment banking gambling and a corrupt marketplace credit rating of AAA on those MBS's, followed by a further corrupt SEC that gave them a pass.





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RE: Upcoming elections - America's hot button topics - 4/11/2014 12:27:29 PM   
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The March Gallup poll found 59 percent personally worry about “the economy” a great deal; 58 percent said they worry about “federal spending and the deficit,” 57 percent “the availability and affordability of health care,” 49 percent “unemployment,” and 48 percent “the size and power of the federal government.”

Rarely will you find a political environment as golden for a Republican policy agenda as this one.


Bottom three issues:

Quality of the Environment.
Climate change.
Race relations.

This is why dimocrats have desperately been manufacturing issues, as an attempt to avoid a conversation on the big 5 issues.
Minimum wage.
Immigration.
Gender Gap.
blah blah blah blah.

All are attempts by the administration and a lap dog media to avoid do anything possible to avoid having discussions on the big issues.
Because they know they are on the wrong side of those issues.


And yet, the Republicans approval rating is in the toilet, at 18%

I heard Ryan blabber about how we can't continue "borrow and tax and spend" policies...an interesting change from "tax and spend" once the realities of "borrow and spend" Republicans sunk in with the public. I laughed out loud. Of course, taxes are lower than ever, so he's still far removed from reality.

As Mittens campaign showcased, these clowns are interested in any line of nonsense they calculate might confuse a few independents into voting for them as their only prayer of winning elections.

As others have said, I miss 40 years ago when we had an actual, viable Republican party, instead of this circus.


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RE: Upcoming elections - America's hot button topics - 4/11/2014 1:01:16 PM   
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This is why dimocrats have desperately been manufacturing issues,


This is why dimocrats and their allies in the dinosaur media have desperately been manufacturing issues.

Improved it for you.



This is why nutsackers have desperately been borrowing and spending at historic levels, desperately fighting to insure no healthcare, desperately fighting to insure joblessness, and growing the size and power of the federal government, thru corporations and outsourcing government, insuring the nutsacker media keeps the feebleminded without fact, and in their little pud pounding fantasy workd, desperately manufacturing signs renaming post offices after Ronald Reagan.





Really Ron?
Do you really think the Republicans are really fighting to ensure joblessness?

Really? You can't just disagree with them that maybe they have the well intentioned desire to shrink govt, balance the budget?

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RE: Upcoming elections - America's hot button topics - 4/11/2014 1:08:42 PM   
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They sure are fighting to ensure joblessness, and they may have a well intentioned velleity to balance the budget but their actual desire and efforts provably lay elsewhere, as we peruse our deficit and debt figures month to month and year to year.

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RE: Upcoming elections - America's hot button topics - 4/11/2014 1:30:12 PM   
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Really? You can't just disagree with them that maybe they have the well intentioned desire to shrink govt, balance the budget?

Then they'll have to submit a reasonable plan that does this -- and not by "projecting' their fantasies.

Dems and Reps are both wrong on reduction -- look at independent research, and they'll tell you the same thing, that bringing down the deficit (which balancing the budget doesn't accomplish) will mean ALL of:

* cutting spending
* raising taxes
* reducing military spending
* adjustments to SS and Med.

It just will. It's math.

As to "shrinking government," the federal government has been shrinking relative to population and budget for decades now. It's a Republican smokescreen. And as the feds have shrunk, state and local governments have ballooned trying to pick up the slack. An amazing adventure in inefficiency and stupidity -- but sense isn't the goal of the Republican leadership -- it's wealth.

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RE: Upcoming elections - America's hot button topics - 4/11/2014 2:02:01 PM   
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nobody I talk to about politics is interested in Hillary.


I think the names Bush and Clinton are equally politically dead for at least one generation.

Really?
So what harm did Clinton cause comparable to staging an invasion of a foreign nation under false pretences and crashing the global economy? Maybe it's just me, but I don't see lying about getting his cock sucked as being in quite the same league as that stuff.


as for the GLOBAL ECONOMIC COLLAPSE

pretend anything you like everyone knows it was bill Clinton who signed the revamped CRA that directly lead to the economic collapse


as for the whole BJ LIE thing, tell ya what I said at the time, what kind of country bumbkin pres can't keep a BJ secret, I'm glad he doesn't have any IMPORTANT secrets to keep...

Once and for all...the CRA had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the economic collapse. CRA mortgages were less than 5% of all MBS loans. Some say as little as 3%.

As I have stated here, a personal friend has been in the mortgage business since long before CRA. Ever since, his mortgage co. has not made a SINGLE CRA loan and never heard from the fed. govt. There is no law behind the CRA except that should one choose to underwrite such loans, the capitalist entitlement of Fannie and Freddie was to buy them up.

First there is no LEGAL requirement to make those loans and as proof, there is no...enforcement mechanism. Get over it. It was the Graham bill that Clinton was convinced to sign that removed Glass-Steagall protections from corrupt investment banking gambling and a corrupt marketplace credit rating of AAA on those MBS's, followed by a further corrupt SEC that gave them a pass.








well you can SAY that all you want, but I lived it, I watched as people who COULD NOT AFFORD houses were given loans who then used some of the money to remodel the house then a couple years later realized they couldn't afford them RESELL them at a bit of a profit, then the NEXT guy who couldn't afford the house bought it and did some remodeling RINSE AND REPEAT for about 10 - 15 years and a 20K house ends up selling for 200K and POP goes the bubble
and every bit of it can be traced back to CRA pushing/encouraging/allowing people who should NEVER have been given loans

during this time period I watch as the price of scrap copper went from .60 to 3.00 a pound (that 500% BTW) to keep up with the DEMAND for copper pipe for plumbing work on these remodel projects. Lead went from the stable price (by stable I mean it was .10 a pound for like 30 years) of .10 a pound to .60 a pound (thats 600% BTW)

My own house which was on the market for 4 years at 16K and NO ONE WANTED, that I bought outright (paid cash for) for 18K, at one point I was offered 200K for

I still live in the area I grew up, where anyone could buy ANY HOUSE ON THE BLOCK for 20K, that price was STABLE for DECADES, at one POINT NO house on the block could be had for less that 150K...

PRETEND these things DID NOT HAPPEN ALL YOU WANT

it was a HYPER INFLATION ECONOMY spured by the CRA

you can say ONCE AND FOR ALL as MANY TIMES AS YOU LIKE but it WILL NOT CHANGE WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED

PS. I was also aware of the glass stegal act being repealed, but that had MUCH less of an impact its real impact was AFTER the fact because it allowed them to create MEGA CORPS that were then deemed to BIG TO FAIL and had to be bailed out, but if not for the CRASH it would have been a MOOT POINT

the CRASH came in the HOUSING INDUSTRY, NOT A WALL STREET/BANKING COLLAPSE

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RE: Upcoming elections - America's hot button topics - 4/11/2014 2:08:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, if you mean the programs that were pushed by W and the other nutsackers, combined with the deregulation, and abysmal lack of oversight by the W administration, we are all on the same page, and we lived it too.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/worldbusiness/21iht-admin.4.18853088.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

And of course I have debunked the not nutsacker inspired asswipe several times with videos of his speeches and his plans.....replete with (snickers) for another untutored hallucinator. You can search them out, they are here.

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RE: Upcoming elections - America's hot button topics - 4/11/2014 2:23:43 PM   
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Well, if you mean the programs that were pushed by W and the other nutsackers, combined with the deregulation, and abysmal lack of oversight by the W administration, we are all on the same page, and we lived it too.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/worldbusiness/21iht-admin.4.18853088.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

And of course I have debunked the not nutsacker inspired asswipe several times with videos of his speeches and his plans.....replete with (snickers) for another untutored hallucinator. You can search them out, they are here.

whatever you say dude!

I read your article, and all I saw was some people saying IT'S NOT MY FAULT ITS HIS FAULT, NO programs or initiatives or policies or bills or executive orders named....

but if you need me to I CAN find you the utube of the speech where, was it bernake or frank? said QUITE TRYING TO SCARE PEOPLE FANNY MAE IS FINEEEEEEEE about a year before the collapse

to say its BUSH's fault because he wanted people to be able to own their homes is kind a welllll

when you have a BILL or an executive order or something he ACTUALLY DID OR SIGNED that contributed let me know OK

speeches where he said I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD OWN A HOUSE, does NOT CONSTITUTE CAUSE!

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RE: Upcoming elections - America's hot button topics - 4/11/2014 2:25:23 PM   
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RE: Upcoming elections - America's hot button topics - 4/11/2014 2:26:57 PM   
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So just who *is* in charge of the country?



Lobbyists!

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RE: Upcoming elections - America's hot button topics - 4/11/2014 2:35:37 PM   
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So just who *is* in charge of the country?



Lobbyists!


And who pays the lobbyists?

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RE: Upcoming elections - America's hot button topics - 4/11/2014 2:47:46 PM   
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http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2003/12/20031216-9.html

This was a nutsacker bill all the way.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/108/s811

(there are a raft of other issues spearheaded by nutsackers augering us in, but you only wanted 'a')

Fiscally irresponsible nutsackers. And they don't know much about the events that surround them and permeate their lives everyday, apparently.



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RE: Upcoming elections - America's hot button topics - 4/11/2014 3:53:01 PM   
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Really? You can't just disagree with them that maybe they have the well intentioned desire to shrink govt, balance the budget?

Then they'll have to submit a reasonable plan that does this -- and not by "projecting' their fantasies.
Dems and Reps are both wrong on reduction -- look at independent research, and they'll tell you the same thing, that bringing down the deficit (which balancing the budget doesn't accomplish) will mean ALL of:
* cutting spending
* raising taxes
* reducing military spending
* adjustments to SS and Med.
It just will. It's math.
As to "shrinking government," the federal government has been shrinking relative to population and budget for decades now. It's a Republican smokescreen. And as the feds have shrunk, state and local governments have ballooned trying to pick up the slack. An amazing adventure in inefficiency and stupidity -- but sense isn't the goal of the Republican leadership -- it's wealth.


Any proof for the bolded assertion?


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