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I refuse to think that either fed or state or local govt are "efficient".

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While I completely agree that things could change, after the 2012 election the right wing just didn't seem to understand WHY they failed to take the white house. They got a slap in the face, then continued on doing what they've constantly been doing. Insulting the current president, coming up with fake scandals, continuing on their rampage of removing women reproductive rights, hard stances on small crimes like pot possession, preventing gay marriage, blatantly denying science, failing to appeal to minorities, trying to restrict voting in primarily democratic ridings, trying to put christianity above other religions, etc. Until they realize that these policies and these actions are turning people away from their party, they won't win another election, whether it be the midterm elections or presidential. The average people are much more sensible and moderate than the right wing thinks, and by going to the extreme will just alienate themselves and make things worse for their party.

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I refuse to think that either fed or state or local govt are "efficient".

That about sums you up. From this fixed idea, all of your other ideas flow -- and contrary facts get discarded.

You fail to see the inefficiencies of the free market at all: allocation of capital in too few hands, externalizing pollution costs, relying on business models for health care services -- just to name the big three.

The greatest inefficiency I've seen in our Federal Government is military spending -- at the opportunity cost of maintaining our own infrastructure here at home. The nation building in Afghanistan and IRAQ has been a huge waste as have the payments to "allegedly more efficient" private contractors operating in those regions.

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I refuse to think that either fed or state or local govt are "efficient".

That about sums you up. From this fixed idea, all of your other ideas flow -- and contrary facts get discarded.

You fail to see the inefficiencies of the free market at all: allocation of capital in too few hands, externalizing pollution costs, relying on business models for health care services -- just to name the big three.

The greatest inefficiency I've seen in our Federal Government is military spending -- at the opportunity cost of maintaining our own infrastructure here at home. The nation building in Afghanistan and IRAQ has been a huge waste as have the payments to "allegedly more efficient" private contractors operating in those regions.

But I don't agree that CO2 is a pollutant.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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I refuse to think that either fed or state or local govt are "efficient".

That about sums you up. From this fixed idea, all of your other ideas flow -- and contrary facts get discarded.

You fail to see the inefficiencies of the free market at all: allocation of capital in too few hands, externalizing pollution costs, relying on business models for health care services -- just to name the big three.

The greatest inefficiency I've seen in our Federal Government is military spending -- at the opportunity cost of maintaining our own infrastructure here at home. The nation building in Afghanistan and IRAQ has been a huge waste as have the payments to "allegedly more efficient" private contractors operating in those regions.

But I don't agree that CO2 is a pollutant.

Of course you don't, because after all too much of anything natural is totally not a bad thing

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117
While I completely agree that things could change, after the 2012 election the right wing just didn't seem to understand WHY they failed to take the white house. They got a slap in the face, then continued on doing what they've constantly been doing. Insulting the current president, coming up with fake scandals, continuing on their rampage of removing women reproductive rights, hard stances on small crimes like pot possession, preventing gay marriage, blatantly denying science, failing to appeal to minorities, trying to restrict voting in primarily democratic ridings, trying to put christianity above other religions, etc. Until they realize that these policies and these actions are turning people away from their party, they won't win another election, whether it be the midterm elections or presidential. The average people are much more sensible and moderate than the right wing thinks, and by going to the extreme will just alienate themselves and make things worse for their party.

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While I completely agree that things could change, after the 2012 election the right wing just didn't seem to understand WHY they failed to take the white house. They got a slap in the face, then continued on doing what they've constantly been doing. Insulting the current president, coming up with fake scandals, continuing on their rampage of removing women reproductive rights, hard stances on small crimes like pot possession, preventing gay marriage, blatantly denying science, failing to appeal to minorities, trying to restrict voting in primarily democratic ridings, trying to put christianity above other religions, etc. Until they realize that these policies and these actions are turning people away from their party, they won't win another election, whether it be the midterm elections or presidential. The average people are much more sensible and moderate than the right wing thinks, and by going to the extreme will just alienate themselves and make things worse for their party.

Almost everything you just put out is Liberal rhetoric for what the GOP is doing. Nothing more.

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While I completely agree that things could change, after the 2012 election the right wing just didn't seem to understand WHY they failed to take the white house. They got a slap in the face, then continued on doing what they've constantly been doing. Insulting the current president, coming up with fake scandals, continuing on their rampage of removing women reproductive rights, hard stances on small crimes like pot possession, preventing gay marriage, blatantly denying science, failing to appeal to minorities, trying to restrict voting in primarily democratic ridings, trying to put christianity above other religions, etc. Until they realize that these policies and these actions are turning people away from their party, they won't win another election, whether it be the midterm elections or presidential. The average people are much more sensible and moderate than the right wing thinks, and by going to the extreme will just alienate themselves and make things worse for their party.

Almost everything you just put out is Liberal rhetoric for what the GOP is doing. Nothing more.

Nothing more? What more would it need? It's a list of actual GOP positions.

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And you fail to realize understand that a few parts per million can have a bigger impact than you're willing to admit, all because your ego wouldn't be able to handle being wrong. CO2 concentrations have risen to 380 ppm by the early 2000s, well over the range of 180-300 ppm of natural variation. CO2 helps to keep the planet warm, as does methane in the parts per billion (which has risen from the natural variation range of 350 -700 ppb over the last 400,000 years to 1750 ppb since the 1800s). If these ranges of greenhouse gases has kept the planet warm enough to sustain life, then to assume an extra 80 ppm of CO2 and an extra 1000 or so ppb of methane will do nothing is not only bad science, but it's also extremely presumptuous and idiotic. Not to mention Humans release about 6 billion metric tons of CO2 yearly world wide, so to say that its a few parts per million fails to take into consideration just how much we produce and continue to produce.

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While I completely agree that things could change, after the 2012 election the right wing just didn't seem to understand WHY they failed to take the white house. They got a slap in the face, then continued on doing what they've constantly been doing. Insulting the current president, coming up with fake scandals, continuing on their rampage of removing women reproductive rights, hard stances on small crimes like pot possession, preventing gay marriage, blatantly denying science, failing to appeal to minorities, trying to restrict voting in primarily democratic ridings, trying to put christianity above other religions, etc. Until they realize that these policies and these actions are turning people away from their party, they won't win another election, whether it be the midterm elections or presidential. The average people are much more sensible and moderate than the right wing thinks, and by going to the extreme will just alienate themselves and make things worse for their party.

Almost everything you just put out is Liberal rhetoric for what the GOP is doing. Nothing more.

Nothing more? What more would it need? It's a list of actual GOP positions.

You are correct. It is a list of GOP positions, according to the rhetoric of the Left.

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The March Gallup poll found 59 percent personally worry about “the economy” a great deal; 58 percent said they worry about “federal spending and the deficit,” 57 percent “the availability and affordability of health care,” 49 percent “unemployment,” and 48 percent “the size and power of the federal government.”

Rarely will you find a political environment as golden for a Republican policy agenda as this one.


Bottom three issues:

Quality of the Environment.
Climate change.
Race relations.

This is why dimocrats have desperately been manufacturing issues, as an attempt to avoid a conversation on the big 5 issues.
Minimum wage.
Immigration.
Gender Gap.
blah blah blah blah.

All are attempts by the administration and a lap dog media to avoid do anything possible to avoid having discussions on the big issues.
Because they know they are on the wrong side of those issues.

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While I completely agree that things could change, after the 2012 election the right wing just didn't seem to understand WHY they failed to take the white house. They got a slap in the face, then continued on doing what they've constantly been doing. Insulting the current president, coming up with fake scandals, continuing on their rampage of removing women reproductive rights, hard stances on small crimes like pot possession, preventing gay marriage, blatantly denying science, failing to appeal to minorities, trying to restrict voting in primarily democratic ridings, trying to put christianity above other religions, etc. Until they realize that these policies and these actions are turning people away from their party, they won't win another election, whether it be the midterm elections or presidential. The average people are much more sensible and moderate than the right wing thinks, and by going to the extreme will just alienate themselves and make things worse for their party.

Almost everything you just put out is Liberal rhetoric for what the GOP is doing. Nothing more.

Nothing more? What more would it need? It's a list of actual GOP positions.

You are correct. It is a list of GOP positions, according to the rhetoric of the Left.

DS, I mean this in all sincerity...
The GOP and their Tea Party lackeys have serious breaches of reality on most of the subject matters in the country. Pick a topic, and their viewpoint is so well off the road of 'sanity', 'sensibility', or 'rational' as to render the idea silly. For example, to pay down the US Debt, they want to cut spending in only that areas that they don't care about. The problem here, is to actually cut that spending down will require raising taxes. It could be done in the present, and the rate will be small; or held off for several years and be a REAL burden on the average American. Or on gun control, when most people say that those with mental or emotional problems should NEVER be allowed a firearm for obvious reasons; the GOP/TP defends it relentless. Immigration is another problem in the nation. The GOP/TP's solution is to walk in their directly of the Nazis in the 1930s; its not helpful by any stretch of the imagination. An that there is enough evidence on the table that the nation's infrastructure should be improved. Yet, the GOP/TP is against this since it would: A ) increase job availability, B ) improve local economies that feed into the national economy, C ) update things with 1950's technology for 2014, and D ) Protect this nation from domestic terrorism. Heck, the GOP/TP is against the stuff that has NEVER been a problem in Congress before: voting on whether so and so can have one new intern because the last one graduated.
This is also the organization that spearheaded completely shutting down the US Government back in November of 2013. In the time frame of the partial shutdown, the GOP/TP cost the American public $18 billion in damages. Those came in the form for many, as their livelihoods were directly threaten. The most noted are those in the tourism business that provided a way to see national parks to visitors in a state. Do you really think those Americans will vote Republican/Tea Party after their businesses were almost destroyed?
There are no good ideas coming out of the Republican/Tea Party for over a decade now. And Americans are starting to show their distaste by not voting them into office. Why do you think the GOP/TP crusades against voter fraud, when the reality is, it is not happening? Less people that vote, the more likely Republican/Tea Party wins.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)