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While I completely agree that things could change, after the 2012 election the right wing just didn't seem to understand WHY they failed to take the white house. They got a slap in the face, then continued on doing what they've constantly been doing. Insulting the current president, coming up with fake scandals, continuing on their rampage of removing women reproductive rights, hard stances on small crimes like pot possession, preventing gay marriage, blatantly denying science, failing to appeal to minorities, trying to restrict voting in primarily democratic ridings, trying to put christianity above other religions, etc. Until they realize that these policies and these actions are turning people away from their party, they won't win another election, whether it be the midterm elections or presidential. The average people are much more sensible and moderate than the right wing thinks, and by going to the extreme will just alienate themselves and make things worse for their party.

Almost everything you just put out is Liberal rhetoric for what the GOP is doing. Nothing more.

Nothing more? What more would it need? It's a list of actual GOP positions.

You are correct. It is a list of GOP positions, according to the rhetoric of the Left.

DS, I mean this in all sincerity...
The GOP and their Tea Party lackeys have serious breaches of reality on most of the subject matters in the country. Pick a topic, and their viewpoint is so well off the road of 'sanity', 'sensibility', or 'rational' as to render the idea silly. For example, to pay down the US Debt, they want to cut spending in only that areas that they don't care about. The problem here, is to actually cut that spending down will require raising taxes. It could be done in the present, and the rate will be small; or held off for several years and be a REAL burden on the average American. Or on gun control, when most people say that those with mental or emotional problems should NEVER be allowed a firearm for obvious reasons; the GOP/TP defends it relentless. Immigration is another problem in the nation. The GOP/TP's solution is to walk in their directly of the Nazis in the 1930s; its not helpful by any stretch of the imagination. An that there is enough evidence on the table that the nation's infrastructure should be improved. Yet, the GOP/TP is against this since it would: A ) increase job availability, B ) improve local economies that feed into the national economy, C ) update things with 1950's technology for 2014, and D ) Protect this nation from domestic terrorism. Heck, the GOP/TP is against the stuff that has NEVER been a problem in Congress before: voting on whether so and so can have one new intern because the last one graduated.
This is also the organization that spearheaded completely shutting down the US Government back in November of 2013. In the time frame of the partial shutdown, the GOP/TP cost the American public $18 billion in damages. Those came in the form for many, as their livelihoods were directly threaten. The most noted are those in the tourism business that provided a way to see national parks to visitors in a state. Do you really think those Americans will vote Republican/Tea Party after their businesses were almost destroyed?
There are no good ideas coming out of the Republican/Tea Party for over a decade now. And Americans are starting to show their distaste by not voting them into office. Why do you think the GOP/TP crusades against voter fraud, when the reality is, it is not happening? Less people that vote, the more likely Republican/Tea Party wins.

You mean that in all sincerity, Joether, and so do the rest of the Liberal shills.

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There are no good ideas coming out of the Republican/Tea Party for over a decade now. And Americans are starting to show their distaste by not voting them into office. Why do you think the GOP/TP crusades against voter fraud, when the reality is, it is not happening? Less people that vote, the more likely Republican/Tea Party wins.

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There are no good ideas coming out of the Republican/Tea Party for over a decade now. And Americans are starting to show their distaste by not voting them into office. Why do you think the GOP/TP crusades against voter fraud, when the reality is, it is not happening? Less people that vote, the more likely Republican/Tea Party wins.

I don't think the GOP is down-and-out just yet. They always have a way of coming back, usually because the Democrats find ways of shooting themselves in the foot. One might have concluded that the Republicans were down and out in the 1930s, after they were largely blamed for the Great Depression. But they managed to come back due to a variety of factors, such as the Dixiecrat split and the growing perception that Democrats were too soft on communism (while the Republicans reinvented themselves as ardent anti-communist crusaders). Republicans even grew to sharply condemn their "isolationist" predecessors of the 1920s and 30s, as they quickly abandoned those ideals and embraced Democratic interventionism even more zealously than the Democrats (which would become a major point of contention between the Parties in subsequent decades, even to this day).

I think the general public overall tends to find both major parties somewhat distasteful. Even if the GOP might leave a more bitter taste in some people's mouths, it doesn't automatically translate into great love and admiration for the Democrats, who might only be seen as the lesser of two evils. This is why most political campaigns are dominated by mud-slinging and negative advertising. Neither party has much of anything "good" to offer the voters; the only thing they can do is point out how much worse the opposition is.

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I see your butt hurt in knowing your two 'parties' will get a thrashing in the general election and lose many seats in Congress. That's what happens when you screw around and accomplish nothing useful for the American people.

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Well then enlighten us and tell us what conservatives believe

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Well then enlighten us and tell us what conservatives believe

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• Personal Responsibility
  
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• Limited Government
  
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Exactly why is it necessary to post what conservatives believe?
Its not as if Tk, domken, or mnotter will ever agree there is any value. They are here only to... well who knows why the hell they wish to bash righties.
I can't recall DK, joether, TK, and that clique ever agreeing with a conservative idea. So whats the point?
Point out for the thousandth time that joether doesn't know a damn thing about what conservatives believe
Or refuting the point that we want to murder babies.. serves the purpose of illustrating to any possible neutral posters exactly how biased he is.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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Exactly why is it necessary to post what conservatives believe?

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Its not as if Tk, domken, or mnotter will ever agree there is any value. They are here only to... well who knows why the hell they wish to bash righties. I can't recall DK, joether, TK, and that clique ever agreeing with a conservative idea. So whats the point?

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Point out for the thousandth time that joether doesn't know a damn thing about what conservatives believe

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Or refuting the point that we want to murder babies.. serves the purpose of illustrating to any possible neutral posters exactly how biased he is.

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Exactly why is it necessary to post what conservatives believe?

Uh... on an internet discussion board dedicated to politics?

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Its not as if Tk, domken, or mnotter will ever agree there is any value. They are here only to... well who knows why the hell they wish to bash righties. I can't recall DK, joether, TK, and that clique ever agreeing with a conservative idea. So whats the point?

I agree. You righties and lefties seem to live for bashing each other... so lost in the great game that you forget people are actually dying over this stuff. So what are you going to do about it?

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
You need to take that first quote with the second quote to get the intent, Jeff. There will be no discussion at all from TK, Joether, Ron, etc. on what Conservatives believe because they already "know" what Conservatives believe. That they're wrong is incomprehensible to them.

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So maybe you're right. There is little or no point in discussing conservative or liberal views with conservatives and liberals. There is, however, a marginal purpose in discussing both those ideologies with moderates...

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In my experience discussing anything with an ideologue is not productive. Discussing things with people of different opinions is but it needs to be a discussion with the intent of a mutual exchange of ideas and with any luck some personal growth. That's in sharp contract to pontificating bullshit.

So maybe you're right. There is little or no point in discussing conservative or liberal views with conservatives and liberals. There is, however, a marginal purpose in discussing both those ideologies with moderates and there's even more of a point when the it's not ideologies at all but simply different viewpoints oft-times based on different facts.

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Or refuting the point that we want to murder babies.. serves the purpose of illustrating to any possible neutral posters exactly how biased he is.

Actually, while melodramatic the "murder babies" thing has some merit as it applies to social safety nets. I've asked this very question. OK, so you believe government is inefficient and borderline evil. You want to disable government provided safety nets. Now that we have lots and lots of people floating around without adequate money to pay the bills or provide even basic health care for their families... now what?

In a sense you're correct on the social issues. Nobody is ever going to convince me that there even IS such a thing as "the sanctity of marriage" much less that gays getting married threatens it. But you could convince me on the economic/military fronts if I knew what the argument was.