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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/26/2014 5:07:54 AM   
BenevolentM


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Status: offline 		Maybe the U.S. should flex its muscle and bomb the Vatican. Maybe then the Church will learn its lesson.

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Nonsense of the highest order.

A priest in the US is not a citizen of the Vatican. He does not have a Vatican passport. He does not have diplomatic immunity. In most cases he is a citizen of the USA. He is subject to all the same laws as everyone else in our society and that includes not raping children. That a religious organization you belong to and clearly feel passionately about did this should be cause for outrage and demands for reform not for the nonsense you just spewed.

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/26/2014 5:18:49 AM   
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Between you and the Pope I side with the Pope since the Pope has a great deal more spiritual authority and has a great deal more knowledge concerning what is unlawful or lawful with respect to the Law of God.

The logic of many here is of the self serving kind. The Church is not a coward for sticking to its guns.



The logic of most here is of the people-serving kind. In particular, those people who've been abused by the Catholic Church. Really, you and those others who've sought to cast this debate in terms of certain people's deeper selfish and/or anti-Church aims are on a hiding to nothing. What the paedophiliac clergy have done here, and the support they've been given by the Church, is much too detestable for that kind of strategy to be plausible.


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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/26/2014 5:19:36 AM   
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The criticisms being levelled at the Catholic Church have nothing to do with that Church's beliefs, dogma or spiritual message.


I disagree. The Church is not an organization like any other. It is not a Protestant denomination nor is it Pepsi. The Church is special and it is Holy. This belief is central to our faith.

In my life I have been abused by women. There is one woman in particular who was very abusive. I have some experience. I know the way I handled it was pleasing to God. I was kind. I wait still to receive an apology that will never come. This forum is filled with the unrighteous and ungodly. If you are a Christian you know nothing of the Christian message.

The Catholic Church is a true believer in Christ and you need to believe this even if the Church burns you at the stake because you are called to believe. The message taught by Christ is a hard one.

Evil is difficult to combat. It is close to impossible to make a difference. You combat evil through goodness, yet where is your goodness? You expect the Church to be good for you? Though unpleasant, it does not work this way. You can benefit vicariously through the goodness of others only so much.

Our Lord Jesus Christ was crucified for a reason. Satan begged Jesus to be soft. Jesus did not give the people what they wanted. He instead gave them what they needed. It was not soft. In the NAME OF CHRIST we are called to be as hard as nails. In a Catholic Church what is displayed prominently is a crucifix, not a cross. We do not believe as the Protestants do that it is ok to be presumptuous.

The Church is special and Holy. If you do not know this, you are not a Catholic.



Tell that to all the abused kids.

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/26/2014 5:37:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

The criticisms being levelled at the Catholic Church have nothing to do with that Church's beliefs, dogma or spiritual message.


I disagree. The Church is not an organization like any other. It is not a Protestant denomination nor is it Pepsi. The Church is special and it is Holy. This belief is central to our faith.

In my life I have been abused by women. There is one woman in particular who was very abusive. I have some experience. I know the way I handled it was pleasing to God. I was kind. I wait still to receive an apology that will never come. This forum is filled with the unrighteous and ungodly. If you are a Christian you know nothing of the Christian message.

The Catholic Church is a true believer in Christ and you need to believe this even if the Church burns you at the stake because you are called to believe. The message taught by Christ is a hard one.

Evil is difficult to combat. It is close to impossible to make a difference. You combat evil through goodness, yet where is your goodness? You expect the Church to be good for you? Though unpleasant, it does not work this way. You can benefit vicariously through the goodness of others only so much.

Our Lord Jesus Christ was crucified for a reason. Satan begged Jesus to be soft. Jesus did not give the people what they wanted. He instead gave them what they needed. It was not soft. In the NAME OF CHRIST we are called to be as hard as nails. In a Catholic Church what is displayed prominently is a crucifix, not a cross. We do not believe as the Protestants do that it is ok to be presumptuous.

The Church is special and Holy. If you do not know this, you are not a Catholic.


My mom used to say the only difference between a catholic and protestant was the catholics were going to be surprised when they found others in heaven and the protestants wouldn't.


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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/26/2014 6:16:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

Maybe the U.S. should flex its muscle and bomb the Vatican. Maybe then the Church will learn its lesson.

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Nonsense of the highest order.

A priest in the US is not a citizen of the Vatican. He does not have a Vatican passport. He does not have diplomatic immunity. In most cases he is a citizen of the USA. He is subject to all the same laws as everyone else in our society and that includes not raping children. That a religious organization you belong to and clearly feel passionately about did this should be cause for outrage and demands for reform not for the nonsense you just spewed.



Don't be silly, no one wants to bomb the Vatican, at least not anyone in their right mind.

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/26/2014 6:18:09 AM   
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I disagree. The Church is not an organization like any other.

No it isn't.
It is one of the very few organisations who actively and vehemently protect it's own leaders against those seeking retribution for pedophilia being practiced within it's own ranks.

What's worse is that they do this in spite of their own and people's laws that say that pedophilia is an abomination and should not happen.
That makes them hypocrites of the highest order right up to the man at the top of the tree - the Pope.

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM
This forum is filled with the unrighteous and ungodly. If you are a Christian you know nothing of the Christian message.

No, it is filled with people who are quite rightly abhorred by the actions of the church in covering up pedophilia in it's own ranks.

And you sir, are soo wrapped up in your faith that you defend those in your church against the victims??
That makes you as guilty as they are and repugnant as a fellow human being.

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM
The Catholic Church is a true believer in Christ... <snip>

Yet the leaders (and you it seems), are happy to ignore his teachings against pedophilia.
How reprehensible!!

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM
Evil is difficult to combat. It is close to impossible to make a difference. You combat evil through goodness, yet where is your goodness?

And where is yours? Huh?

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM
The Church is special and Holy. If you do not know this, you are not a Catholic.

It is not so fucking special as to ignore the victims of pedophilia and to actively cover up the abuse performed by their people in charge. These are people who should be trusted, above the criminal mentality, people with whom we should entrust the safety of our children as the pinnacle of righteousness and morality.
Yet they willfully abuse our children with the backing and the blessing of those above them.

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM
Its mission is to obey God, not you. The Church does not exist to please you nor to be pleasing to your mortal sensibilities. It is there to serve God.

And god's law says it is evil to rape, let alone rape children.
So do tell.... how are the actions of the leaders of your faith following that??
They are actively and willfully covering it up - against god's law, their own laws, and the people's laws.


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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM
Between you and the Pope I side with the Pope... <snip>

And that makes you an accessory after the fact - a pedophile supporter no less!
How do you live with yourself knowing your church leaders support pedophilia?

Your posts show you to be one sick son-of-a-bitch of the lowest order.

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/26/2014 6:24:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm Catholic, and regarding its handling of Pedophiles, the Catholic Church has earned its derision. It shows how the whole organization is flawed, in denial, and otherwise in need of reform. Not wanting to report suspected molesters to the police is simply indefensible and shows the leadership's mentality has not adjusted to the times.

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/26/2014 6:27:53 AM   
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Evil is difficult to combat. It is close to impossible to make a difference. You combat evil through goodness, yet where is your goodness?


And where is yours? Huh?


That I even bothered.

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/26/2014 6:32:31 AM   
BenevolentM


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... shows the leadership's mentality has not adjusted to the times.

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/26/2014 6:35:16 AM   
BenevolentM


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Your posts show you to be one sick son-of-a-bitch of the lowest order.

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/26/2014 6:38:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

Is this also your opinion of Jesus Christ?

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Your posts show you to be one sick son-of-a-bitch of the lowest order.


Did I say it was??

No, I didn't.
So stop trying to twist my words.

Why the fuck do I bother trying to educate a pedophile supporter?

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/26/2014 6:44:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		First Ben I would like to apologize for anything I might say to offend you or your faith, because it certainly isn't my intent.
I respect the Catholic church for many reasons outside of the discussion of what is outraging people.
I am a protestant, and I am not a perfect one, but Christians already know they aren't perfect. I do have days I look in the mirror and think of how I must Please God today!!!!

I cant speak for all protestants, because so many people believe so many things, its mind boggling if one allows it to be. As for my beliefs, we do not find our churches or clergy royalty. We may admire their teachings, their guidance, their charity, their leadership but they hold no special "get out of jail free card" We believe in forgiveness but some things are just to heinous in our believe system, to allow a superior to continue practicing in, if that is their weakness.

I have been accused before of being vengeful. Its true. Its also a weakness of mine I try very hard to abolish. Its extremely difficult to forgive your abuser, and sometimes yourself and without Gods guidance I could not have came this far. Still I have bad days were I regress, but I continue on the path, I pray God directs for myself and family, my neighbors, the world, everyone who also suffers with their own weaknesses that may be very different then mine. ( I have about a half dozen I work on....wow its a job!!!)

This is where I might offend you. I am sure there are certain things I don't understand about the catholic faith, or a lot of things, but when it comes to this I trust this is a situation where man in power are abusing power, and innocents suffer for it, and this is not of God.

I cant imagine entrusting my children to leadership, who with all sincerity and whole heart belief in, and I find they have abused my children, or others children. I couldn't nor wouldn't stay quiet for that. It would be the most devastating of all things, creating a deep scar in an entire family. This would be when my vengeful protestant weakness would take hold and I would demand justice and feel the vengefulness. It would require great prayer to bring myself to that point to forgive and not take matters into my own hands, if justice was not served. It is a crime of the biggest betrayal and that's when you lead, not go along with it.

But that's a protestant speaking, and I know our beliefs differ.

ITs not acceptable in my faith.

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/26/2014 6:47:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		The catholic church wrote a tract about condemning pedophilia in the 13th century. When did Islam did this?

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/26/2014 6:49:12 AM   
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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/26/2014 6:51:35 AM   
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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/26/2014 6:54:50 AM   
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The catholic church wrote a tract about condemning pedophilia in the 13th century. When did Islam did this?

The question is irrelevant because it is not on topic.
It has nothing to do with Islam.
Try reading the title of the thread.

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/26/2014 7:03:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Okay I'll make a thread about pedophilia in other cultures and how it's aided and abetted. Better?

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/26/2014 7:05:04 AM   
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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/26/2014 7:07:28 AM   
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The catholic church wrote a tract about condemning pedophilia in the 13th century. When did Islam did this?



The question is irrelevant because it is not on topic.
It has nothing to do with Islam.
Try reading the title of the thread.





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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/26/2014 7:11:54 AM   
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