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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 1:47:45 PM   
puella


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So anyway.. I am thinking about having my bridesmaids in a lovely shade of puce, anyone have any input on that?  That would, of course require Crappy to wear a cumberbun or vest in the same hue... I am sure he can carry it off! 

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 1:49:40 PM   
jezabelKH


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thank you.

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 1:51:53 PM   
puella


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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 1:52:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: puella

ooh.. is that an order...


So anyway.. I am thinking about having my bridesmaids in a lovely shade of puce, anyone have any input on that?  That would, of course require Crappy to wear a cumberbun or vest in the same hue... I am sure he can carry it off! 


I saw a nice wedding where the bridesmaids wore alternating black and white outfits.  When they lined up at the altar it was quite striking.

At our second wedding (the kink one) the Sluts of Honour wore black with red accents.

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 1:53:19 PM   
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thank you

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 1:56:04 PM   
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Jezabel -  Here is a small example of BDSM 'tradition'.
 
People like to discuss.  That mean, on occasion, the topic can go off course.  But in a healthy way, if it is allowed.  It just happens.  In BDSM, politeness and respect for others, is a tradition in a sense.  Telling people what to do, is considered rude - that is a tradition  - an expectation in a sense, if you like.  It isn't up to you to make demands of others.  You post your question and you take everything on the chin, discuss it if you like - or ignore it.  I know it may seem as though some people are being rude to you and teasing even, but you are perpetuating it by acting in the same way you seem to be upset with.  Now, I am not deeply into Gor and would never suggest I understand all its ways, but I certainly find any slave making 'demand' of anyone  - whether Gorean or BDSM extremely confusing.  Even to not be a slave and to demand and tell people to answer the way you want - is just extremely rude.
 
Just honest opinion.  And on topic for traditions.


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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 1:56:20 PM   
puella


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Status: offline 		Ooh, that sounds interesting, do you have any pics of it??  Did  you have any other homage to the 'lifetyle' influence? 

All black can be very chic in a wedding.

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 1:57:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		What does the quote have to do with your question.I am lost here being the Leather Master that I am .

The Key words are Respect , Ownership and Permission here.

For centuries past a slave is one that serves the one that owns that slave .Should a slave serve another it is with permission of the owner and as well a form of respect and honor  from one master to the other .To own a slave and be responsible ;one had to earn that slave.

This comes from many cultures .

For Example:
It is by my leather family's  tradition that a slave is granted permission to serve a fellow Sir or Madame . 

My leather family is a mix of many traditions and rituals (Asian ,African,Europeon, Spanish ,and Military ) having plenty levels of Authority is of how we are organized  .Yes, We have 4 generations of our leather family that have and will continue our rituals and traditions.

Many of the leather community's traditions and rituals have been established  as the same in many ways.

As far as how long BDSM has been around many here can recall the magazine "National Geographic".
With that being placed here BDSM was around when my forefathers were tribesmen and a king had many servants.

Ok I am through.............................................. any questions?


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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 2:04:28 PM   
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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 2:05:11 PM   
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What does the quote have to do with your question.I am lost here being the Leather Master that I am . I will try to help a bit here .

The Key words are Respect , Ownership and Permission here.

For centuries past a slave is one that serves the one that owns that slave .Should a slave serve another it is with permission of the owner and as well a form of respect and honor  from one master to the other .To own a slave and be responsible ;one had to earn that slave.

This comes from many cultures .

For Example:
It is by my leather family's  tradition that a slave is granted permission to serve a fellow Sir or Madame . 

My leather family is a mix of many traditions and rituals (Asian ,African,Europeon, Spanish ,and Military ) having plenty levels of Authority is of how we are organized  .Yes, We have 4 generations of our leather family that have and will continue our rituals and traditions.

Many of the leather community's traditions and rituals have been established  as the same in many ways.

As far as how long BDSM has been around many here can recall the magazine "National Geographic".
With that being placed here BDSM was around when my forefathers were tribesmen and a king had many servants.

Ok I am through.............................................. any questions?




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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 2:08:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sirdontre

What does the quote have to do with your question.I am lost here being the Leather Master that I am .

The Key words are Respect , Ownership and Permission here.

yes i would have to agree with You.

For centuries past a slave is one that serves the one that owns that slave .Should a slave serve another it is with permission of the owner and as well a form of respect and honor  from one master to the other .To own a slave and be responsible ;one had to earn that slave.

This comes from many cultures .

For Example:
It is by my leather family's  tradition that a slave is granted permission to serve a fellow Sir or Madame . 

How do you feel about a culture that demands that all slaves call everyone Master or Mistress?

My leather family is a mix of many traditions and rituals (Asian ,African,Europeon, Spanish ,and Military ) having plenty levels of Authority is of how we are organized  .Yes, We have 4 generations of our leather family that have and will continue our rituals and traditions.

This is exactly what i was looking for, for Masters and Mistresses to share there personal "traditions" , "rituals" or "customs" from a personal view point. You mentioned several different backgrounds Asian, African, European, Spanish and Military, would You care to share more on these backgrounds? Wow 4 generations in Your leather family, would love to hear more on this, how far can You trace back your family?

Many of the leather community's traditions and rituals have been established  as the same in many ways.

Do you know of another on collarme.com that can share there view as You did?

As far as how long BDSM has been around many here can recall the magazine "National Geographic".
With that being placed here BDSM was around when my forefathers were tribesmen and a king had many servants.

Ok I am through.............................................. any questions?



Thank You so much for your reply and input.
 
sincerely,
jezabel{KH}
just simply a slave
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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 2:11:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jezabelKH

This was posted in another area, and quite simply i just did not know how to answer it. well let's say i do know how to answer it, but it really should come from a Leather Lifestyle BDSM Master or Mistress. i read the replys it was getting in the other forum and no one was giving the right answer, probably because He is asking about BDSM questions in a Gorean Discussion Room. Would any Leather Lifestyle BDSM Masters or Mistresses like to touch on the subject of The Long History and Traditions of the BDSM Leather Lifestyle? Seeking truthfull, unbiased and educational answers please.
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Good luck with that quest

Unfortunately a sexual practice that is conducted primarily in secret is unlikely to have a lot of records and facts you can check.

Plus you'd need to define what you mean but "BDSM Leather Lifestyle" first before you could look for any evidence.

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 2:11:43 PM   
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You can request it - yet you cannot control it - but a request is different to a demand.  Requests are questioning - demands are statements.
(sorry - word nazi here)
 
The most gracious thing to do is just move on.  Why even bother reading or responding to people who you feel are destroying your thread?  You are perpetuating the behaviour by paying attention and making what is perceived as a demand, over and over.  (Like I say - it is a perception - I am only trying to discuss with you how it comes across to others).
 
In the way I have been taught - these are my traditions.  Passed down by Dominants and alpha submissive men and women through many years.  If I am at a munch, holding a discussion and it spins off the topic I began, then let it.  Those people who are swirling off that which I want to find out about, will continue with their little side conversation and the main one continues.  If it is bothering the conversation, then my traditional training points me to either take that person aside politely and ask them not to disrupt if they would be so kind.  Not 'please stay on topic' which is a command.  If someone shows me disrespect by diverting the topic I have started - should I disrespect them in the same manner?  No - because my tradition, my training is to be a light in His eyes, to pay Him honour and be an example of good training by respecting myself, and above anything else and anyone else, by respecting Master and Masters House.  My tradition and training dictates that is rude to disrespect anyone, even if they disrespect me - and discounts any knowledge that person may have.  It means I learn that little bit less and those watching the example one is setting, even less.
 
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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 2:14:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		puella....that sounds lovely.  I really dont plan on getting married again...but if it were to happen...lol     I would love to have a halloween wedding...everyone in costume.   I have done the white dress one...this one I want to have more fun.    A costume wedding just sounds like so much fun. 

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 2:28:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		How do you feel about a culture that demands that all slaves call everyone Master or Mistress?

Only if one is a Master / Mistress by rite of earning that title by those that grant that person the title .
For Example :
My Dad ,he is just a retired golfer he has no skills in politics and law-I never would call my father or Mr. President ( President of the USA)

In the Leather community to be a Master /Mistress is earned it is given and acknowledged by those that taught and helped you grow after many years .To be a Sir I was a slave for mere 10 years and became by intense teachings by my elders a Master .That's how many feel and live in the leather community .I continue to perfect me knowledge and skills .I can Master Myself at times when no servant is present .

Each GENERATION of my family adds abit of heritage to the growth.For example I added to my family Spanish and SouthEast African traditions and rituals .The next generation that will derive by my training  will be of it's heritage and then so .We learn as we grow .My Mistress is Italian which is apart of Europeon heritage ,our elders before her were of Asian ,Europeon, and Greek heritage .So we learn alot for many years and take a bit from each that is parellel to BDSM

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 2:33:02 PM   
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Ooh, that sounds interesting, do you have any pics of it??  Did  you have any other homage to the 'lifetyle' influence? 

All black can be very chic in a wedding.


We do have pictures but I can't share them because of privacy issues. 

One change we made during the ceremony was in the handfasting part.  At the vanilla wedding, a week earlier, we used ribbon.  At this ceremony, a pair of handcuffs was used.

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 2:34:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK WHYARE  WE  IN A FORUM OFF THE TOPIC DISCUSSING A WEDDING ......?

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 2:34:22 PM   
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puella....that sounds lovely.  I really dont plan on getting married again...but if it were to happen...lol     I would love to have a halloween wedding...everyone in costume.   I have done the white dress one...this one I want to have more fun.    A costume wedding just sounds like so much fun. 


[laugh] If you want to see costumes, you should have seen the food servers.  They were all TV sissy sluts and dressed to the nines.

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 2:35:37 PM   
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OK WHY ARE IN A FORUM DISCUSSING A WEDDING ......?



A question was asked and the wedding being talked about was a BDSM wedding.  I don't think the moderators will have a problem.

Besides, it's better than stirring up acrimony between the Goreans and the BDSM contingent.

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 2:39:48 PM   
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OK WHYARE  WE  IN A FORUM OFF THE TOPIC DISCUSSING A WEDDING ......?


my thoughts exactly, thank You Sir.

sincerely,
jezabel{KH}
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