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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

I'm off the grid and have sat with the engineers of major power companies. Renewable energy doesn't work well. With a simple google you'll see Europe is finding the cost is much more than they ever imagined.

Would you have any validation for this ignorant unsubstantiated opinion.

Calling names is a Saul Alinaky tactic of the left. You can google the truth about Europe having big problems with costs. Frankly, if you'd like I'll start calling for validation on your inane comments.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: joether

While the generation of energy is good, does there exist a sizable storage system to contain it? A sort of 'First In, First Out' mechanism (FIFO)?


It is not all that difficult to pump water into an elevated tank or box cars full of lead up an incline.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

I'm off the grid and have sat with the engineers of major power companies. Renewable energy doesn't work well. With a simple google you'll see Europe is finding the cost is much more than they ever imagined.

Would you have any validation for this ignorant unsubstantiated opinion.

Calling names is a Saul Alinaky tactic of the left.

Please point out what name I have called you.


You can google the truth about Europe having big problems with costs.

If that were true you could post up something to validate your ignorant opinions.


Frankly, if you'd like I'll start calling for validation on your inane comments.

That would require the ability to both read and write engilsh.

(in reply to HunterCA)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

I've been off the grid now for about 13 years. My solar panels are doing about 82 percent of what they did when new.

How do you know this?


Which is fine in the summer. In the winter I'm running the generator more often and for longer periods.

Perhaps if you were to add some more pannels you would not have to run your generator so often.


Not to mention the $8,000 I just paid to replace 3,000 pounds of lead acid batteries that I was lucky to get 11 years out of.

This is nothing but a lie.
Deep cycle flooded lead acid golf cart batteries have a usable life of 5 years if you are running for 11 years no wonder you cannot get a full charge on your batteries.
Golf cart batteries weigh 60# each so 3000# would be 50 batteries. $8000 divided by 50=$160 per battery...more bullshit since they can be had all over town for @$80 per copy.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

I'm off the grid and have sat with the engineers of major power companies. Renewable energy doesn't work well. With a simple google you'll see Europe is finding the cost is much more than they ever imagined.

Would you have any validation for this ignorant unsubstantiated opinion.

Calling names is a Saul Alinaky tactic of the left. You can google the truth about Europe having big problems with costs. Frankly, if you'd like I'll start calling for validation on your inane comments.

But you claim to be off grid. So you are doing something that you claim is not cost effective. So you admit you are some sort of idiot.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: MercTech

Not going to go into whether a warrantee used to sell a product has any basis in the reality of the operation of the product.

Why is it that in your zip code guarentees are not valid?


I was wondering if anyone had seen solar panels on the market that didn't take more energy to produce than they would ever generate.

Where did you get the idea that someone would sell something for less than it cost them to make it?

I'm looking not for PC green illusions but actual efficient engineering solutions. i.e. the illusion that electric cars are good for the environment as a whole when they only relocate more pollution to another location that does an internal combustion engine.

The energy from a power plant to run an electic car is less than the energy to run a gasoline car.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: HunterCA

If you've had your system for 25 years you've had to have changed your batteries a couple of times.

Nope. Unlike some morons I do not use golf cart batteries that only have a five year life span.
I use ups 2 volt batteries that have a life span of 40 years or more.


How many tons of lead acid battery have you put onto the recycle bin at what cost.

None

Dude, you're not being completely truthful.

Show me where.

As well, if your inverters are 25 years old I'd say you're lucky having the same one function now.

My inverters are solid state what is there to wear out?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: HunterCA

If you've had your system for 25 years you've had to have changed your batteries a couple of times.

Nope. Unlike some morons I do not use golf cart batteries that only have a five year life span.
I use ups 2 volt batteries that have a life span of 40 years or more.


How many tons of lead acid battery have you put onto the recycle bin at what cost.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: HunterCA

If you've had your system for 25 years you've had to have changed your batteries a couple of times.

Nope. Unlike some morons I do not use golf cart batteries that only have a five year life span.
I use ups 2 volt batteries that have a life span of 40 years or more.


How many tons of lead acid battery have you put onto the recycle bin at what cost.

None

Dude, you're not being completely truthful.

Show me where.

As well, if your inverters are 25 years old I'd say you're lucky having the same one function now.

My inverters are solid state what is there to wear out?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

I'm off the grid and have sat with the engineers of major power companies. Renewable energy doesn't work well. With a simple google you'll see Europe is finding the cost is much more than they ever imagined.

Would you have any validation for this ignorant unsubstantiated opinion.

Calling names is a Saul Alinaky tactic of the left.

Please point out what name I have called you.


You can google the truth about Europe having big problems with costs.

If that were true you could post up something to validate your ignorant opinions.


Frankly, if you'd like I'll start calling for validation on your inane comments.

That would require the ability to both read and write engilsh.

Apparently all I need to know is; opps you're full of shit.

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(in reply to thompsonx)

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Well one thing we know for sure, is that we do not want to do ANY research and development into solar cell technology. (BTW, annealing is now done thermally at 120 to 150 C and chemical annealing has made great strides)

I mean when all of the solar energy on the great lakes in one day would be more than enough to power everything in the entire US for that day...where's the profit in that ?

See, that's the much superior mathematics of the capitalists and we all know, that's the only math...that matters.

(BTW, almost all R & D into the practical use of solar cell derived energy is done by govt. (and military) and academic grants as the capitalist wants no part of solar energy...can't charge $$ for the sun...yet)

That's neither conservative or liberal...it's profiteering which is just today's republicans.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: MercTech

Not going to go into whether a warrantee used to sell a product has any basis in the reality of the operation of the product.

Why is it that in your zip code guarentees are not valid?


I was wondering if anyone had seen solar panels on the market that didn't take more energy to produce than they would ever generate.

Where did you get the idea that someone would sell something for less than it cost them to make it?

I'm looking not for PC green illusions but actual efficient engineering solutions. i.e. the illusion that electric cars are good for the environment as a whole when they only relocate more pollution to another location that does an internal combustion engine.

The energy from a power plant to run an electic car is less than the energy to run a gasoline car.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

I've been off the grid now for about 13 years. My solar panels are doing about 82 percent of what they did when new.

How do you know this?


Which is fine in the summer. In the winter I'm running the generator more often and for longer periods.

Perhaps if you were to add some more pannels you would not have to run your generator so often.


Not to mention the $8,000 I just paid to replace 3,000 pounds of lead acid batteries that I was lucky to get 11 years out of.

This is nothing but a lie.
Deep cycle flooded lead acid golf cart batteries have a usable life of 5 years if you are running for 11 years no wonder you cannot get a full charge on your batteries.
Golf cart batteries weigh 60# each so 3000# would be 50 batteries. $8000 divided by 50=$160 per battery...more bullshit since they can be had all over town for @$80 per copy.

I have a meter on my power system and I operate my system closely. Hence, getting things like 11 years out of batteries by knowing how to best operate the system. For instance my refrigerator and freezer are on timers and don't operate when not needed.


The discussion was not about adding more panels it was about a life expectancy of a panel. Your comment is off point and mute.

My solar panels are on a simple freon operated track rack that is simple to find with google. They'll basically generate about 45% more energy since it passively tracks the sun.


I don't use Trojan T-105 batteries you're describing. I use the Trojan L16 that weighs 125 pounds each in three groups of eight batteries wired to 48 volts DC. So 24 x 125 = opps you're full of shit. Deep cycle batteries do not have a life expectancy based on years, they have a life expectancy based on cycles (usually approximately 300) and maintenance. So your explanation of cycle life is also = opps you're full of shit.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I vote that (along with the prior nutsackerisms) as the stupidest shit posted on the internet.

It isn't renewables subsidies got them into the mess they are in, it was nutsacker policies by regional governments.


They have been in turd city since the 80's (or even before) with one little housing boost and getting some welfare from the EU and other chimeras in 2007 or 2008, other than that, they have never been a decent economy.

And there is no reputable, credible source that is attributing any part of the nutsacker shit they got into mess with having anything substantial to do with renewable energy subsidies, they were small potatoes to the real problems.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech
Not going to go into whether a warrantee used to sell a product has any basis in the reality of the operation of the product.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech
I was wondering if anyone had seen solar panels on the market that didn't take more energy to produce than they would ever generate.
I'm looking not for PC green illusions but actual efficient engineering solutions. i.e. the illusion that electric cars are good for the environment as a whole when they only relocate more pollution to another location that does an internal combustion engine.