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I'm off the grid and have sat with the engineers of major power companies. Renewable energy doesn't work well. With a simple google you'll see Europe is finding the cost is much more than they ever imagined.

Would you have any validation for this ignorant unsubstantiated opinion.

Calling names is a Saul Alinaky tactic of the left. You can google the truth about Europe having big problems with costs. Frankly, if you'd like I'll start calling for validation on your inane comments.

Hunter, please see my previous post. Thompson is an undiscovered genius.

In a manner not unlike Jesus, someone should stay at his side and write down every utterance for all of us.

Um...Lookie...are you offering me up for the task?

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I'm off the grid and have sat with the engineers of major power companies. Renewable energy doesn't work well. With a simple google you'll see Europe is finding the cost is much more than they ever imagined.

Would you have any validation for this ignorant unsubstantiated opinion.

Calling names is a Saul Alinaky tactic of the left. You can google the truth about Europe having big problems with costs. Frankly, if you'd like I'll start calling for validation on your inane comments.

Hunter, please see my previous post. Thompson is an undiscovered genius.

In a manner not unlike Jesus, someone should stay at his side and write down every utterance for all of us.

Um...Lookie...are you offering me up for the task?

It is arrogant to think that any of us are up to that task. Thompson is so far ahead of all of us, few of us could carry his socks.

The evidence is in the fact that I am personally unaware of anyone who understands more than 2% of what Thompson says. Proof his very thoughts far outreach mortals.

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I'm off the grid and have sat with the engineers of major power companies. Renewable energy doesn't work well. With a simple google you'll see Europe is finding the cost is much more than they ever imagined.

Would you have any validation for this ignorant unsubstantiated opinion.

Calling names is a Saul Alinaky tactic of the left. You can google the truth about Europe having big problems with costs. Frankly, if you'd like I'll start calling for validation on your inane comments.

Hunter, please see my previous post. Thompson is an undiscovered genius.

In a manner not unlike Jesus, someone should stay at his side and write down every utterance for all of us.

Um...Lookie...are you offering me up for the task?

It is arrogant to think that any of us are up to that task. Thompson is so far ahead of all of us, few of us could carry his socks.

The evidence is in the fact that I am personally unaware of anyone who understands more than 2% of what Thompson says. Proof his very thoughts far outreach mortals.

I have noted he pontificates widely. Yet, it seems when I press for detail, name, manufacturer, method, he stands silent. I've thought it a form of Zen Koan for me to ponder in his wake.

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He does bold a lot. I did wonder if I lacked.

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When exposed together, I felt lack. It was shame yet I knew for what not.

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It as if a priest touched me. How can I ever look within again.

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I'm sorry to be late ma'am. I was chastising a flea on another page.


Yes ma'am, a new life without fear or ignorance.

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I'm sorry to be late ma'am. I was chastising a flea on another page.


Yes ma'am, a new life without fear or ignorance.

God is good.

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I've been off the grid now for about 13 years. My solar panels are doing about 82 percent of what they did when new.

How do you know this?


Which is fine in the summer. In the winter I'm running the generator more often and for longer periods.

Perhaps if you were to add some more pannels you would not have to run your generator so often.


Not to mention the $8,000 I just paid to replace 3,000 pounds of lead acid batteries that I was lucky to get 11 years out of.

This is nothing but a lie.
Deep cycle flooded lead acid golf cart batteries have a usable life of 5 years if you are running for 11 years no wonder you cannot get a full charge on your batteries.
Golf cart batteries weigh 60# each so 3000# would be 50 batteries. $8000 divided by 50=$160 per battery...more bullshit since they can be had all over town for @$80 per copy.

Now of course your meter has a log that gives you a look minute by minute because it would not be too productive for you to sit there for 11 years keeping an eye on shit.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Not going to go into whether a warrantee used to sell a product has any basis in the reality of the operation of the product.

Why is it that in your zip code guarentees are not valid?


I was wondering if anyone had seen solar panels on the market that didn't take more energy to produce than they would ever generate.

Where did you get the idea that someone would sell something for less than it cost them to make it?

I'm looking not for PC green illusions but actual efficient engineering solutions. i.e. the illusion that electric cars are good for the environment as a whole when they only relocate more pollution to another location that does an internal combustion engine.

The energy from a power plant to run an electic car is less than the energy to run a gasoline car.

Here's a link to the department of energy discussing electrical motor efficiency.

https://www1.eere.energy.gov/manufacturing/tech_assistance/pdfs/10097517.pdf

Now you do the math and tell me how your magic bean electrical works. I know that electricity created in a coal fired plant in someone else's back yard is practical for you. But, the coal fired plant has inefficiencies, transmitting the electricity over the grid adds inefficiencies, charging your car batteries has inefficiencies and finally, discharging your batteries to drive your car has inefficiencies.

So your magic bean theorem coal plant loss + line loss + battery charge loss + battery discharge loss + driving car loss is less than the loss of a gas fired engine efficiency loss is important to the world. Please show the math.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Not going to go into whether a warrantee used to sell a product has any basis in the reality of the operation of the product.

Why is it that in your zip code guarentees are not valid?


I was wondering if anyone had seen solar panels on the market that didn't take more energy to produce than they would ever generate.

Where did you get the idea that someone would sell something for less than it cost them to make it?

I'm looking not for PC green illusions but actual efficient engineering solutions. i.e. the illusion that electric cars are good for the environment as a whole when they only relocate more pollution to another location that does an internal combustion engine.

The energy from a power plant to run an electic car is less than the energy to run a gasoline car.

Here's a link to the department of energy discussing electrical motor efficiency.

https://www1.eere.energy.gov/manufacturing/tech_assistance/pdfs/10097517.pdf

Now you do the math and tell me how your magic bean electrical works. I know that electricity created in a coal fired plant in someone else's back yard is practical for you. But, the coal fired plant has inefficiencies, transmitting the electricity over the grid adds inefficiencies, charging your car batteries has inefficiencies and finally, discharging your batteries to drive your car has inefficiencies.

So your magic bean theorem coal plant loss + line loss + battery charge loss + battery discharge loss + driving car loss is less than the loss of a gas fired engine efficiency loss is important to the world. Please show the math.

Electricity at the plug cost about a dime a kw. Gasoline cost about four bux a gallon you do the math.

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I've been off the grid now for about 13 years. My solar panels are doing about 82 percent of what they did when new.

How do you know this?


Which is fine in the summer. In the winter I'm running the generator more often and for longer periods.

Perhaps if you were to add some more pannels you would not have to run your generator so often.


Not to mention the $8,000 I just paid to replace 3,000 pounds of lead acid batteries that I was lucky to get 11 years out of.

This is nothing but a lie.
Deep cycle flooded lead acid golf cart batteries have a usable life of 5 years if you are running for 11 years no wonder you cannot get a full charge on your batteries.
Golf cart batteries weigh 60# each so 3000# would be 50 batteries. $8000 divided by 50=$160 per battery...more bullshit since they can be had all over town for @$80 per copy.

I have a meter on my power system and I operate my system closely.

Now of course your meter has a log that gives you a look minute by minute because it would not be too productive for you to sit there for 11 years keeping an eye on shit.



Hence, getting things like 11 years out of batteries by knowing how to best operate the system.

Not you nor anyone else is allowed to break the laws of physics


The discussion was not about adding more panels it was about a life expectancy of a panel. Your comment is off point and mute.

Really????If your pannels are not working according to the guarantee then that is your problem not mine. If you would rather bitch than solve the problem knock your self out.

My solar panels are on a simple freon operated track rack that is simple to find with google. They'll basically generate about 45% more energy since it passively tracks the sun.

I saw that concept in an old mother earth news using propane tanks and propane.


I don't use Trojan T-105 batteries you're describing. I use the Trojan L16 that weighs 125 pounds each in three groups of eight batteries wired to 48 volts DC. So 24 x 125 = opps you're full of shit.


Since l-16 batteries cost about twice as much per amp than golf cart batteries one would have thought someone who claims to be as smart as you would have gone with the gc battery.


Deep cycle batteries do not have a life expectancy based on years, they have a life expectancy based on cycles (usually approximately 300) and maintenance. So your explanation of cycle life is also = opps you're full of shit.

http://www.solar-electric.com/deep-cycle-battery-faq.html#Lifespan of Batteries

Battery Lifespan

The lifespan of a deep cycle battery will vary considerably with how it is used, how it is maintained and charged, temperature, and other factors. In extreme cases, it can vary to extremes - we have seen L-16's killed in less than a year by severe overcharging and water loss, and we have a large set of surplus telephone batteries that sees only occasional (10-15 times per year) heavy service that were just replace after 35+ years. We have seen gelled cells destroyed in one day when overcharged with a large automotive charger. We have seen golf cart batteries destroyed without ever being used in less than a year because they were left sitting in a hot garage or warehouse without being charged. Even the so-called "dry charged" (where you add acid when you need them) have a shelf life of 18 months at most. (They are not totally dry - they are actually filled with acid, the plates formed and charged, then the acid is dumped out).