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subrosaDom -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/15/2014 7:04:00 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Skex
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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
Fortunately, when leftists attack conservatives, it is never a projection of their own flaws, but simply an illustration of the leftists's self-evident superiority. It must be so wonderful to be right all the time. Hugo Chavez looks up from his grave (because surely he would be in hell if such a place existed) and says "Maduro, Maduro, why hast thou forsaken me!? for Hugo was also another one who was universally correct. Just ask Sean Penn.
Here is a perfect illustration of who is actually ignorant in this discussion. Liberals do not assume that we are infallible we do not assume that we're always right, we recognize the mistakes of the past and learn from them. You do realize the philosophy that conservatives espouse today was the liberalism of yesteryear? Neo-conservatism is was once neo-liberalism. Adam Smith was a liberal of his age as were all of the Founding Fathers you conservatives love so much.
Liberalism is a living breathing philosophy that is looking for new and better answers that learns from it's past mistakes and attempts to improve on it. Meanwhile conservatism is stuck dusting off ideas we've abandoned in the dust bin of history.
Liberals self evident superiority? What a laugh. Shows how ignorant you are of liberalism. One of the reasons why conservatism remains a viable political movement is that the left is so full of self doubt and spends so much time hemming hawing and hand wringing that it can't field a sustained and concentrated attack. Rallying the left is very much an act of herding cats. Meanwhile conservatives who talk such a big game about individualism fall in line at the drop of a dime.
The funniest things is that you probably have no idea how well you've illustrated my point. by projecting your own assumed superiority upon me and the left in general.
Remember a core premise of liberalism is that we don't know everything, that there is more to learn thus it is the default position that what we think today could very easily be wrong (or at least not completely right). We accept that uncertainty and strive to improve things. Which I think is honestly the core of conservative thought, I think conservatives fear uncertainty, in fact it's my firm belief that the core of conservative thought is Fear, fear of the other, fear of the unknown fear of change and most importantly fear of uncertainty.
That's why conservatives are so easily bamboozled by those hucksters and snake oil salesmen I mentioned in my previous reply. As long as someone says something with conviction conservatives eat it up. I also think that's why they tend to dismiss and disregard science while embracing religion. Science offers no certainty, scientists always qualify their answers with "we think" "we believe" "probably" while religion offers certainty, you'll not hear a preacher using qualifiers in their sermons.
Amazingly however, despite our lack of certainty we still manage to be right far more often than you are.
You are conflating classical liberalism (still called liberalism on the Continent) with leftism. I, incidentally, am an atheist. My interests include cosmology, quantum gravity, and molecular genetics. I am also familiar with logical positivism and Popper's falsifiability criterion -- among other things. The problem is that your premises about "conservatives" are ones you are treating as universals when they are anything but; and then you assert that liberals (but actually the people you're referring to are leftists) follow Popper when all they really typical follow is power-lusting and control over others making their epistemology rooted in subjectivism and post-modernist thought were nothing is true unless one wants it to be and everything is true at the moment if it happens to serve one's interior purpose.
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