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In this conflict, more than any other, we have a 'western' civilized country with a full army and nuclear capability in a conflict with what many deem as 'terrorists'.

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In this conflict, more than any other, we have a 'western' civilized country with a full army and nuclear capability in a conflict with what many deem as 'terrorists'.

See as terrorists?
How old are you?
They are terrorists. Do you know what my first memory of an Olympics is? Munich. Men in black on balconies and my mother crying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7-WvfWXn7U

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Oil, the region supplies a shitload of oil to the world Zonie.

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But.... Israel is not behaving any better is it??

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Oil, the region supplies a shitload of oil to the world Zonie.

I see. So, the Israelis and Palestinians are fighting over oil?

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But.... Israel is not behaving any better is it??

Yes it is, Israel is acting defensively. Israel is going after Hamas' offensive capabilities.

You are the one who is acting no better.

You really expect the Israelis to just lay down and die... Allow Hamas to fire rockets at Israeli civilians relentlessly with no counter attack, without seeking out and destroying the tunnels that are used to smuggle the rockets in.

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I wish it were as simple as that. lol.

The Arabs didn't like a lump of their land being given away to the Jews.

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The Jews don't like the Arabs because they feel that Jerusalem belongs only to them.

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They both want to rip each other's throats out.

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And because neither side will give an inch to the other, this will only end when one absolutely crushes the other into complete oblivion.

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Israel have the capacity to do that and are slowly achieving that goal under various nefarious guises.
Hamas don't really stand a chance but they are tenatious blighters and won't give in.

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What worries me more than anything, is if other Arab nations start supporting Hamas just because they are Islamics and if that happens there will be an all-out religious war between the Arabs+Islamics against Israel+US and other christian nations - which will undoubtedly draw in even more Islamic countries.
Slow fuse to a big bang!! WW3 maybe?? Who knows; it has that potential.

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I understand about the difference between Northern and Southern Ireland, you should explain this to the IRA. Still this has nothing to do with Gaza and there is no parallel.

Maybe that's a matter of opinion. The IRA have trained the Palestinians and provided weapons to them in the past. Clearly, they see some sort of shared cause.

when did the IRA train Palestinians?

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Germany must be so proud

Anti-Semitism Rises in Europe

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I thought Michael Collins had a little bit to do with that decision

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I wish it were as simple as that. lol.

The Arabs didn't like a lump of their land being given away to the Jews.

They hate infidels for being infidels, the Jews are just the most convenient target for them right now. If ever they get their way with Israel they will move on to the next infidel target just as they have been doing for a thousand years.

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The Jews don't like the Arabs because they feel that Jerusalem belongs only to them.

The Israelis lived side by side peacefully until they are attacked

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Relentlessly

By rockets, from Gaza

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They both want to rip each other's throats out.

Thats only in your imagination. In reality Hamas has devoted itself to the destruction of all Jewish people, but the Israelis are stubbornly resisting.

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And because neither side will give an inch to the other, this will only end when one absolutely crushes the other into complete oblivion.

Israel has given up land and has sacrificed many lives fighting for its survival, but its never enough.

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Israel have the capacity to do that and are slowly achieving that goal under various nefarious guises.
Hamas don't really stand a chance but they are tenatious blighters and won't give in.

Then why does Hamas keep going on offense over the slightest thing, real or imagined. Oh, thats right, the destruction of Israel is in their charter.

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What worries me more than anything, is if other Arab nations start supporting Hamas just because they are Islamics and if that happens there will be an all-out religious war between the Arabs+Islamics against Israel+US and other christian nations - which will undoubtedly draw in even more Islamic countries.
Slow fuse to a big bang!! WW3 maybe?? Who knows; it has that potential.

The opposite is happening. For the most part, Hamas is pissing everybody off, other than the most hardcore die hard terrorist apologists such as yourself. Though Islam itself is supposed to conquer the planet in the name of Allah, that much is correct.

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I wish it were as simple as that. lol.

The Arabs didn't like a lump of their land being given away to the Jews.

They hate infidels for being infidels, the Jews are just the most convenient target for them right now. If ever they get their way with Israel they will move on to the next infidel target just as they have been doing for a thousand years.

I quite agree!
That's why I'm not a fan of any Islamic person - Hamas included.
I have Islamic friends, but they don't hold the same extremist views.

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The Jews don't like the Arabs because they feel that Jerusalem belongs only to them.

The Israelis lived side by side peacefully until they are attacked

Israel didn't exist until they were given land that was negotiated between the UK, US and the Arabs.
The Arabs were still having their wars long before Israel came into existence.
So this statement is factually incorrect.

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Relentlessly

By rockets, from Gaza

But, as I have demonstrated (and provided links) when Bama made this claim, the fact that daily rocket attacks didn't start happening until Egypt and Israel between them made the total blockade of Gaza.
Israel alone are the ones that are vehemently and doggedly enforcing the blockade on land and sea.
I do not see you providing any creditable links to refute this position.

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They both want to rip each other's throats out.

Thats only in your imagination. In reality Hamas has devoted itself to the destruction of all Jewish people, but the Israelis are stubbornly resisting.

And Israel only became a daily target 2 years after the blockade!
Hamas is only trying to get that blockade lifted. Israel have promised many times in negotiations to do so but have so far done nothing to lift it. The Palestinians are effectively in the world's largest prison, under the control of Israel.

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And because neither side will give an inch to the other, this will only end when one absolutely crushes the other into complete oblivion.

Israel has given up land and has sacrificed many lives fighting for its survival, but its never enough.

Israel has only ever given up land that they illegally took and the international community told them to give it back. It has never volunteered to return conquered lands and is still refusing to do so. Moreover, they are still building settlements in the West Bank that even the UN have declared to be illegal.

Sacrifice many???
Jeeez!! Are you blind to the death stats too??
Israel: 58 dead (less than 10% civilians). Palestine: Over 1,300 dead (more than 75% civilians)!!!

Do you honestly think that is a rational, excusable and justifiable inequality??
I don't. Neither do a huge swathe of people around the world outside of the US.

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Israel have the capacity to do that and are slowly achieving that goal under various nefarious guises.
Hamas don't really stand a chance but they are tenatious blighters and won't give in.

Then why does Hamas keep going on offense over the slightest thing, real or imagined. Oh, thats right, the destruction of Israel is in their charter.

Hamas want their country back. Simple as that. They will fight tooth and nail to the last man to have that right.
Israel want to destroy Hamas and in the process are slaughtering hundreds and hundreds of innocent Palestinian civilians.

I agree, Hamas and similar groups will always fight 'infidels'.
Even so, that doesn't give Israel carte-blanche authority to wipe them out with impunity. In the western world, we call that 'genocide'.

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What worries me more than anything, is if other Arab nations start supporting Hamas just because they are Islamics and if that happens there will be an all-out religious war between the Arabs+Islamics against Israel+US and other christian nations - which will undoubtedly draw in even more Islamic countries.
Slow fuse to a big bang!! WW3 maybe?? Who knows; it has that potential.

The opposite is happening. For the most part, Hamas is pissing everybody off, other than the most hardcore die hard terrorist apologists such as yourself. Though Islam itself is supposed to conquer the planet in the name of Allah, that much is correct.

I'm neither hardcore nor apologist or even a supporter of any terrorist organization, Islamic or otherwise; so don't include me in that group.
And yes, that is the ultimate goal of all Islamics - that's why I don't support any of them.

And, FYI (because you don't seem to comprehend), just because I'm critical of Israel's behaviour does NOT make me a Hamas supporter or an anti-semite!!
I say, and have always stated in this thread, that both are just as bad as each other.

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freedomdwarf1 said:

"But, as I have demonstrated (and provided links) when Bama made this claim, the fact that daily rocket attacks didn't start happening until Egypt and Israel between them made the total blockade of Gaza.
Israel alone are the ones that are vehemently and doggedly enforcing the blockade on land and sea.
I do not see you providing any creditable links to refute this position."


well here you go

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip

The blockade of the Gaza Strip refers to a land, air, and sea blockade on the Gaza Strip by Egypt and Israel from 2007 to present.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel

History

2001–06

Main articles: List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2001 and 2002–2006

Rockets were originally fired mainly on Sderot, an Israeli city on the border of the Gaza Strip.[37] Sderot's population density is slightly greater than that of the Gaza Strip. Due to this, and despite the imperfect aim of these homemade projectiles, they have caused deaths and injuries, as well as significant damage to homes and property, psychological distress and emigration from the city. Ninety percent of the city's residents have had a rocket exploding in their street or an adjacent one.[27]

On March 28, 2006, while Israelis went to general elections, the first Katyusha rocket from Gaza was fired at Israel. The rocket fell near the Itfah kibbutz on the outskirts of Ashkelon and caused no damage or casualties. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.[38][39] Several months later, On July 5, 2006, a rocket hit the center of Ashkelon for the first time, striking an empty high school. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert called the attack, which was claimed by Hamas, an "escalation of unprecedented gravity",[40][41] but the event was quickly overshadowed by the 2006 Lebanon War.

On 25 of May 2006 the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades group that published on April 2006 that they had been launching long range missile on Israeli cities,[42] sent a letter to Ramattan that they had developed chemical and biological weapons and threaten with chemical warfare.[43][44][45][46][47] later that month report of use of chemical weapons by that group had been published in the media.



Annual number of attacks and casualties

Year / / Dead / Injured / / Rocket attacks / / / Mortar attacks / / / / Total attacks / / / Total attacks % change



2001 - - - 0 .... . . . ............. 4 ........................ . . . . ........................4+

2002 - - - 0 .... . . . ............35 ......................... . . . . .....................35+ . . . . . . . . . . increase 775%

2003 - - - 0 .... . . . ...........155 ........................ . . . . ...................155+ . . . . . . . . . . increase 343%

2004 - - - 4 .... . . . ...........281 ........................ . . . . ...................281+ . . . . . . . . . . increase  81%

2005 - - - 2 .... . . . ...........401 ......................... 854 .................1,255+ . . . . . . . . . . increase 346%

2006 - - - 2 .... 371 ........1,722 ........................... 55 .................1,777+ . . . . . . . . . . increase  42%

2007 - - - 2 .... 578 ........1,276 ........................ 1,531 ...............2,807+ . . . . . . . . . . increase  58%

2008 - - - 8 .... 611 ........2,048 ........................ 1,668 ...............3,716+ . . . . . . . . . . increase  32%


Israeli and Egyptian blockade of Gaza after Operation Cast Lead to stop missile fire into Israel and arms import into Gaza.



2009 - - - 0 ..... 11 ......... 569 ............................ 289 ................. 858 . . . . . . . . . . . . decrease  77%

2010 - - - 1 ..... 35 ......... 150 ............................ 215 ................. 365 . . . . . . . . . . . . decrease  57%

2011 - - - 2 .... 81 ........ 419 ............................. 261 ................. 680 . . . . . . . . . . . . . increase  86%

2012 - - - 6 ... 284 ..... 2,256 .............................. 17 .............. 2,273 . . . . . . . . . . . . . increase 234% 

2013 - - - 0 .... . . . ......... 32 .............................. 12 .................. 44 . . . . . . . . . . . . . decrease 98%

2014 - - - 1 ..... 16 ........ 680 .............................. 25 ................ 705 . . . . . . . . . . . . increase 1500%

Total - - 28 . .1971 .... 10,138 ......................... 4,890 ............ 15,047


you asked for it HERE YA GO!!!

sorry the SPACING didn't take, it was hard to read the numbers so I added ... in place of spaces

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Oil, the region supplies a shitload of oil to the world Zonie.

I see. So, the Israelis and Palestinians are fighting over oil?