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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/19/2014 7:50:22 AM

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The fact that you may not want to accept something does not make it a logical fallacy, it just means you disagree.

What logic? You're making an assertion.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/19/2014 10:17:14 AM

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The fact that you may not want to accept something does not make it a logical fallacy, it just means you disagree.

What logic? You're making an assertion.

And I posted a survey supporting my assertion.
However we both know that if God himself appeared in your living room and said I was right you wouldn't believe him.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/19/2014 10:53:59 AM

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The fact that you may not want to accept something does not make it a logical fallacy, it just means you disagree.

What logic? You're making an assertion.

The logical fallacy is yours.
You are making an assertion just like I am.
Your assertion, much as you may think otherwise, does not disprove mine.
To make my assertion a logical fallacy you would have to disprove it.
Tone down your ego and someone might take you seriously.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/19/2014 5:43:22 PM

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The logical fallacy is yours.

And what logical fallacy would that be, what's the name of what you're claiming right now?

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/19/2014 5:49:12 PM

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However we both know that if God himself appeared in your living room and said I was right you wouldn't believe him.

Not everyone believes in your imaginary friend.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/19/2014 5:58:47 PM

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The logical fallacy is yours.

And what logical fallacy would that be, what's the name of what you're claiming right now?

If you could read you would know. It is called a disagreement thinking that your assertion makes mine a logical fallacy is in itself a logical fallacy.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/19/2014 6:57:25 PM

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If you could read you would know. It is called a disagreement thinking that your assertion makes mine a logical fallacy is in itself a logical fallacy.

1. That's not what I've said.

2. What's the name of this logical fallacy you think I've committed? I mean, I suspect you don't have the faintest grasp of what you're talking about, not even enough to come up with a name.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/19/2014 7:04:32 PM

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If you could read you would know. It is called a disagreement thinking that your assertion makes mine a logical fallacy is in itself a logical fallacy.

1. That's not what I've said.

2. What's the name of this logical fallacy you think I've committed? I mean, I suspect you don't have the faintest grasp of what you're talking about, not even enough to come up with a name.

Nothing makes an assertion a logical fallacy except refutation.
Declaring an assertion a logical fallacy because you don't agree with it constitutes a logical fallacy based in arrogance. You can give it any jargon name you want to but it still comes down to arrogance. And prey tell what remote relevance does this have to the impotence of gun free zones.
All you have to prove to make that assertion a logical fallacy is to demonstrate that criminals obey them. Only an idiot would even claim that.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/19/2014 8:23:18 PM

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If you could read you would know. It is called a disagreement thinking that your assertion makes mine a logical fallacy is in itself a logical fallacy.

1. That's not what I've said.

2. What's the name of this logical fallacy you think I've committed? I mean, I suspect you don't have the faintest grasp of what you're talking about, not even enough to come up with a name.

Nothing makes an assertion a logical fallacy except refutation.
Declaring an assertion a logical fallacy because you don't agree with it constitutes a logical fallacy based in arrogance. You can give it any jargon name you want to but it still comes down to arrogance. And prey tell what remote relevance does this have to the impotence of gun free zones.
All you have to prove to make that assertion a logical fallacy is to demonstrate that criminals obey them. Only an idiot would even claim that.

Damn man. You really don't have the faintest clue.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/19/2014 8:37:51 PM

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If you could read you would know. It is called a disagreement thinking that your assertion makes mine a logical fallacy is in itself a logical fallacy.

1. That's not what I've said.

2. What's the name of this logical fallacy you think I've committed? I mean, I suspect you don't have the faintest grasp of what you're talking about, not even enough to come up with a name.

Nothing makes an assertion a logical fallacy except refutation.
Declaring an assertion a logical fallacy because you don't agree with it constitutes a logical fallacy based in arrogance. You can give it any jargon name you want to but it still comes down to arrogance. And prey tell what remote relevance does this have to the impotence of gun free zones.
All you have to prove to make that assertion a logical fallacy is to demonstrate that criminals obey them. Only an idiot would even claim that.

Damn man. You really don't have the faintest clue.

So wrong.
I find the fact that my mind doesn't work like yours and got steels comforting.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/19/2014 11:03:46 PM

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Damn man. You really don't have the faintest clue.

So wrong.

Then by all means name your claim.

Can't do it can you?

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/19/2014 11:09:02 PM

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I find the fact that my mind doesn't work like yours and got steels comforting.

Yanno, I hadn't thought about it but it really is.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/20/2014 11:52:11 AM

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The smart ones aren't muggers and don't hold up gas stations. You are slipping into the cult of the invincible criminal.

Really? You have verifiable evidence to show all of us that the smart criminals are not muggers and/or don't 'hold up gas stations'?

Definition of the word: mugs (from mugger) on dictionary.com
"to assault or menace, especially with the intention of robbery."

So your going to tell me that armed robbers, whom may have planned out the gas station hold up (and get away), can not be intelligent? Good luck....

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/20/2014 11:55:14 AM

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The fact that you may not want to accept something does not make it a logical fallacy, it just means you disagree.

What logic? You're making an assertion.

And I posted a survey supporting my assertion.
However we both know that if God himself appeared in your living room and said I was right you wouldn't believe him.

Well first God has to exist, before he can appear anywhere.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/20/2014 11:56:31 AM

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And he has never made an actual appearance, by his own admission. So, two big leaks in the ship without further investigation.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/20/2014 12:04:01 PM

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And he has never made an actual appearance, by his own admission. So, two big leaks in the ship without further investigation.

If he did show up, that would prove he is limited to the confinements of nature's universe. And thus be of limited powers. If he showed up as a spirit or ghost, how would I know he was real and not the starting process of schizophrenia?

And if God showed up to tell me that BamaD is correct on something, any remaining respect for the entity I might have had, would be drained away. With all the problems of this planet and people, and he thinks I would give a shit of what BamaD things on something GotSteel stated before hand; really shows how 'out of touch' and 'not in this universe' he is....

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/20/2014 2:27:59 PM

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And he has never made an actual appearance, by his own admission. So, two big leaks in the ship without further investigation.

If he did show up, that would prove he is limited to the confinements of nature's universe. And thus be of limited powers. If he showed up as a spirit or ghost, how would I know he was real and not the starting process of schizophrenia?

And if God showed up to tell me that BamaD is correct on something, any remaining respect for the entity I might have had, would be drained away. With all the problems of this planet and people, and he thinks I would give a shit of what BamaD things on something GotSteel stated before hand; really shows how 'out of touch' and 'not in this universe' he is....

God would have instant ways of shooing such objections away. No point in applying the rules of logic or even the laws of nature to God - he invented them, so he can change them when he feels like it, right?

Re this, and with very little relevance to this subject at hand, but interesting nonetheless, a friend of mine at uni once 'saw an angel'. It was utterly, completely real to him. Being of a resolutely atheistic bent, he consulted a psychiatrist rather than any of the UK's leading God-botherers of any religion. Anyway, after various tests, it was discovered that he had a form of epilepsy that, apparently, made its sufferers prone to exceptionally powerful and apparently realistic hallucinations. It's all on a BBC documentary: google Rudi Affolter. The doc speculates about Joan of Arc having had the same form of epilepsy.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/20/2014 4:52:22 PM

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The smart ones aren't muggers and don't hold up gas stations. You are slipping into the cult of the invincible criminal.

Really? You have verifiable evidence to show all of us that the smart criminals are not muggers and/or don't 'hold up gas stations'?

Definition of the word: mugs (from mugger) on dictionary.com
"to assault or menace, especially with the intention of robbery."

So your going to tell me that armed robbers, whom may have planned out the gas station hold up (and get away), can not be intelligent? Good luck....

A smart criminal will choose a crime where he can't get shot. Like id theft.
Please show me your stats for the high iqs of muggers and gas station holdup me.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/21/2014 12:21:20 PM

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If he did show up, that would prove he is limited to the confinements of nature's universe. And thus be of limited powers. If he showed up as a spirit or ghost, how would I know he was real and not the starting process of schizophrenia?

I figure an omniscient being would know exactly how to convince me and an omnipotent being would have to have convincing me within it's power. Perhaps BamaD's god is an impotent being but more likely he didn't mean it literally but as a figure of speech meaning that it would be really hard/impossible to convince me. This is and is not the case, I'm actually somewhat ignorant and correspondingly undecided on this issue as such it would be a cakewalk to convince me using reason and evidence.

Thing is BamaD's deficiency in that area mean that he's entirely uncompelling and as such should have a snowballs chance in hell of convincing anybody.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/21/2014 12:31:38 PM

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Please show me your stats for the high iqs of muggers and gas station holdup me.

That's not how it works:

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The philosophical burden of proof or onus (probandi) is the obligation on a party in an epistemic dispute to provide sufficient warrant for their position.

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