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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/15/2014 8:39:01 PM   
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note to molitov cocktail makers, the bottle needs to be FULL if you want it to BREAK and splash fire, 1/4 full needs to hit a HARD SURFACE SOLIDLY to rupture




You also need to seal the top of the bottle, around the rag. A pierced condom, with the rag threaded through it is what I was taught, but duck tape works too. This helps ensure you set your target on fire, instead of yourself or comrades.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/15/2014 9:08:34 PM   
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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/15/2014 9:10:38 PM   
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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/15/2014 9:33:53 PM   
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Prior funny business with the Ferguson Police
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html



I saw that earlier today. It reminded me of the Monty Python dead parrot sketch.

Wanna bet they use the portion of the police budget set aside for maintenance of those nifty new dash cams to pay the settlement on his case?

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/15/2014 11:03:25 PM   
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Anyway that whole thing was bullshit the killer cop did not know anything about the robbery or that Brown might have been involved.


Now that makes sense. The young man did not assault the officer because he just somehow knew the officer did not know about his earlier crime.

It doesn't matter what Brown knew or didn't know. The cop was not stopping him on suspicion of being a thief. He was simply hassling him for walking in the street. Releasing the video and the report about the theft was just an attempt to get scum like you to believe that Brown needed to be killed.

And there was no shot up interior. That is more bullshit being spread on right wing sites. No reputable source has ever said Brown ever had control of the officers weapon or fired any shots inside or into the car.

No but every source (other than left wing wackos) has said there was a struggle during which the gun was fired inside the car. And that the officer was injured.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/15/2014 11:15:26 PM   
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bullshit being spread on right wing sites

You are making shit up, as usual.

New York Times

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/15/2014 11:36:50 PM   
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What's a 'strong armed robbery'? I've never heard that particular expression before. Ta for anyone's help.



It's a robbery by physical intimidation and display of brute force, while the actual violence is limited.

Yes, it usually does not end up with death of serious injury.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 1:50:01 AM   
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For someone who claims to have been in Law Enforcemt, facts are hardly your strong point.

Dont you even read your own fucking links >

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Hours after the reports' release, police said that Officer Darren Wilson, 28, had no idea 18-year-old Brown was a robbery suspect. He simply wanted Brown to move from the road to the sidewalk, Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson said at a news conference




Hey Polite

Just because the officer wasn't aware of what Brown had just done, Brown himself certainly was. If Brown assumed that he was about to be arrested for theft and assault, it might explain why the encounter turned violent. And regardless, it certainly paints Brown in an entirely different light then he's been touted as since this all started. The poor college bound youth, minding his own business when he's gunned-down by a murdering thug of an officer has a much different ring to it then robbery suspect shot after leaving store.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 3:37:10 AM   
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Prior funny business with the Ferguson Police
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html

If a five year old prior bad act by the police can be brought into this, then so can an immediately prior bad act by Michael Brown, which shows that he is a thug and that the college he won't be attending is lucky.



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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 5:14:07 AM   
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Well I followed up on it and found out there is a black police officer in the area named Darren Wilson. It sounds like it could be someone who shared the same name though.


Apparently, the black officer whose picture is flying around the net isn't the Darren Wilson in question. He's based in nearby St Louis.

I'm somewhat baffled that nowhere on the net can I find a picture of the Darren Wilson who shot Michael Brown. Is it sub judice? If not, what's wrong with the news hounds?

Another matter: What's a 'strong armed robbery'? I've never heard that particular expression before. Ta for anyone's help.



There has already been death threats against the guy and according to the news that is why they didn't release his name right away. Posting his photo online would be really stupid at this point unless you are trying to start more shit.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 5:22:32 AM   
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I think the Ferguson police force needs a new chief... if he is not racists he is an idiot...What possible good did he think releasing the video of the boy stealing cigars would do. It may be true... but what was his reasoning... was he trying to discredit the kid? If so why... it had nothing to do with the indecent... all it did was make people madder and more distrustful.

Again why... did he release the name of the Police officer who did the shooting? Unless he is charged with a crime, which he has not yet been, his name should not have been given out. All that does is put his family at risk... and if he is innocent the officer himself. I don't care what the protesters were demanding.. he needs some balls.

He is screwing up left and right and over his head... The Governor did the right thing sending in the Highway Petrol.

Butch


I think you are right about the chief releasing the video. They pulled the same shit in Trayvon's case. Maybe they think if they make the kid look bad enough people will excuse the cop who shot him.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 5:38:23 AM   
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"Other protesters eventually lined up in front of the market, keeping looters from returning."

http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/after-day-s-calm-a-storm-erupts-in-ferguson/article_fd8c251f-ff3e-51ed-bfcb-2be8fbe252b4.html?mobile_touch=true

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 6:07:35 AM   
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There has already been death threats against the guy and according to the news that is why they didn't release his name right away. Posting his photo online would be really stupid at this point unless you are trying to start more shit.


Agreed - obviously: he and his family would then be in danger. But that's never stopped newshounds before.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 6:28:10 AM   
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bullshit being spread on right wing sites

You are making shit up, as usual.

New York Times


And that claim was quickly dropped because the claim was so ludicrous. Just look at the guy in question and try and imagine him reaching in a car window and getting a gun out of a safety holster and somehow firing it.

If anything about this shooting was legit the police report would have long since been released. This was a bad shooting.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 7:21:02 AM   
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I haven't read thru the thread so if the following has been mentioned . .. . . apologies:

On Rand Paul's reaction:

In this context, Senator Paul stood out for the passion of his attack on what he sees as a national trend toward overly militarized police forces and, as a Republican, for explicitly raising the issue of systematized racial bias against blacks.

“The images and scenes we continue to see in Ferguson resemble war more than traditional police action,” Paul wrote in an op-ed for Time magazine’s online edition.

“Anyone who thinks that race does not still, even if inadvertently, skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention,” Paul added.

Will this boost Paul’s political stature? Maybe. In terms of political response, the events in Ferguson could prove “a turning point for Paul," Politico writer Burgess Everett wrote Friday morning.


http://news.yahoo.com/rand-paul-raised-2016-prospects-fiery-ferguson-response-191942639.html

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 7:42:50 AM   
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“Anyone who thinks that race does not still, even if inadvertently, skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention,” Paul added.

Well of course it skews the application of criminal justice. Anyone paying attention knows we don't have a problem with mobs of Asians or Pacific Islanders or Hispanics or Whites going on rampages of vandalism and looting.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 7:47:16 AM   
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I think the Ferguson police force needs a new chief... if he is not racists he is an idiot...What possible good did he think releasing the video of the boy stealing cigars would do. It may be true... but what was his reasoning... was he trying to discredit the kid? If so why... it had nothing to do with the indecent... all it did was make people madder and more distrustful.

Again why... did he release the name of the Police officer who did the shooting? Unless he is charged with a crime, which he has not yet been, his name should not have been given out. All that does is put his family at risk... and if he is innocent the officer himself. I don't care what the protesters were demanding.. he needs some balls.

He is screwing up left and right and over his head... The Governor did the right thing sending in the Highway Petrol.

Butch


I agree that it wasn't particularly vital that the name of the officer be released. I understand that he was under pressure and that there were groups planning to sue in court to force the police chief to reveal the name.

But I think what floored me was when I saw the Governor on the news saying (referring to the video) "we have new information." But it wasn't "new" information. It was just old information that had been previously withheld, something that seems to be more and more common these days with incidents like this. Even the highway patrol captain who took over security in Ferguson didn't know about the video and was wondering why this wasn't previously reported.

And I don't think they ever revealed the reason why the officer felt the need to approach Brown in the first place.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 7:52:09 AM   
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And I don't think they ever revealed the reason why the officer felt the need to approach Brown in the first place.




That was there from the very beginning - Brown and his buddy were blocking traffic by walking in the middle of the street, and the cop told them to get on the sidewalk.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 8:16:05 AM   
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If a five year old prior bad act by the police can be brought into this, then so can an immediately prior bad act by Michael Brown, which shows that he is a thug and that the college he won't be attending is lucky.






Has that picture been determined to be Michael Brown? And where is the fabled box of cigars?

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 8:21:35 AM   
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http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2014/08/ferguson_protests_police_prote.html


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