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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 9:31:49 AM

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My guess it is a small bix of Swisher Sweets.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 9:37:19 AM

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Turns out that Officer Darren Wilson was responding to reports of a convenience store robbery when he encountered Michael Brown, who is visible in surveillance footage from the convenience store.

Turns out you are talking shit yet again, according to local police reports one incident had nothing to do with the other.

Several news sites reported it as I said it and it got clarified later. So one detail was off in an otherwise correct statement.

So your response was therefore more full of shit than mine, as always.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 9:50:53 AM

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If anything about this shooting was legit the police report would have long since been released. This was a bad shooting.

Right. Because police investigations are scheduled to meet press deadlines...

Keep talking, Ken. Keep making unfounded assertions, and insisting that unverified reports are the facts of the matter. That's what the talking heads and pundits are going to do. It's what these cops are counting on. That way, when they do release the report, they can make everybody who's been doing it look like a fool without even trying.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 10:14:19 AM

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Disinformation campaign working to perfection for right wingers -- namely all of you are centered on a petty theft and not the killing of an unarmed man.

I have yet to read a credible account of Brown going for the officer's gun or a shot being fired off in the cruiser. Frankly, this story sounds insane.

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Witness Account from NYT:

<<Devin Stone, 28, a friend of Mr. Brown’s, was home in his apartment at the time, across the street from the place where the men were confronted by the police.

Sitting outside his building, Mr. Stone said he was jolted by the sound of two gunshots, followed by several more in rapid succession. The second series of shots “sounded automatic,” he said. “They let it rip.”

Mr. Stone ran outside and saw two police officers, both white men, standing near Mr. Brown, who was lying on his stomach, his arms at his sides, blood seeping from his head. Another neighbor, a woman who identified herself as a nurse, was begging the officers to let her perform CPR.

They refused, Mr. Stone said, adding, “They didn’t even check to see if he was breathing.”

On Friday, speaking to reporters, Chief Jackson said the shooting was “absolutely devastating” to Officer Wilson. “He never intended for any of this to happen.”>>

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/16/us/ferguson-mo-michael-brown-and-darren-wilson-2-paths-to-a-fatal-encounter.html?ref=us

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 10:16:37 AM

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I smell troll.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 10:17:58 AM

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That is just your bad breath blowing back in your face

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 10:29:09 AM

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It's better than what is blowing into yours, Ron.

And you are welcome for the link answering your questions.

If you'll excuse me though, while raking up the dogshit out in the back yard is a lot like trying to have a conversation with you, only one could be considered productive.

Back in a bit.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 10:34:58 AM

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Now that I have sobered up I just wanted to clarify that I disagree with the title of this thread.

(One of the great things about being drunk is that it tends to focus your argument.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 10:48:53 AM

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If anything about this shooting was legit the police report would have long since been released. This was a bad shooting.

Right. Because police investigations are scheduled to meet press deadlines...

Keep talking, Ken. Keep making unfounded assertions, and insisting that unverified reports are the facts of the matter. That's what the talking heads and pundits are going to do. It's what these cops are counting on. That way, when they do release the report, they can make everybody who's been doing it look like a fool without even trying.

If everything was legit why did they
1) let Wilson and his squad leave the scene before evidence could be collected?
2) not lend aid to Brown and prevent bystanders from doing so?
3) not let the responding EMT's take him to the hospital as is SOP? (the ambulance was on scene within minutes of the shooting, depending on his injuries and distance to a trauma center...)
4) not release the incident report for over a week? Even with the officer's name redacted?
5) not release the coroner's report for days after it was completed?
6) not notify the chief but let him hear about this on the news?

There are enough things wrong here to make it look like a bungled cover up by a police force used to getting away with this sort of thing.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 10:49:37 AM

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When black people are being mistreated, it reminds him of Monty Python. Police brutality is a akin to a pet store mishap.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 10:53:06 AM

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Disinformation campaign working to perfection for right wingers -- namely all of you are centered on a petty theft and not the killing of an unarmed man.

I have yet to read a credible account of Brown going for the officer's gun or a shot being fired off in the cruiser. Frankly, this story sounds insane.

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Witness Account from NYT:

<<Devin Stone, 28, a friend of Mr. Brown’s, was home in his apartment at the time, across the street from the place where the men were confronted by the police.

Sitting outside his building, Mr. Stone said he was jolted by the sound of two gunshots, followed by several more in rapid succession. The second series of shots “sounded automatic,” he said. “They let it rip.”

Mr. Stone ran outside and saw two police officers, both white men, standing near Mr. Brown, who was lying on his stomach, his arms at his sides, blood seeping from his head. Another neighbor, a woman who identified herself as a nurse, was begging the officers to let her perform CPR.

They refused, Mr. Stone said, adding, “They didn’t even check to see if he was breathing.”

On Friday, speaking to reporters, Chief Jackson said the shooting was “absolutely devastating” to Officer Wilson. “He never intended for any of this to happen.”>>

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/16/us/ferguson-mo-michael-brown-and-darren-wilson-2-paths-to-a-fatal-encounter.html?ref=us

I love the "credible report" disclaimer, translation, if I disagree with them they are not credible so I don't have to deal with the information.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 10:59:25 AM

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I love the "credible report" disclaimer, translation, if I disagree with them they are not credible so I don't have to deal with the information.

I have not read any account of the victim going the for the policeman's gun from any credible news source. Have you? The only place I've seen that is on this message board.

At least you thought Pistorus was guilty, but in that case he shot a white woman. In all other incidents, you've backed the shooters 100% of the time. You have zero sense of "excessive use of force."

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 11:13:27 AM

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I love the "credible report" disclaimer, translation, if I disagree with them they are not credible so I don't have to deal with the information.

I have not read any account of the victim going the for the policeman's gun from any credible news source. Have you? The only place I've seen that is on this message board.

At least you thought Pistorus was guilty, but in that case he shot a white woman. In all other incidents, you've backed the shooters 100% of the time. You have zero sense of "excessive use of force."

This message board and the chief of police.
Wrong there have been several cases where I spoke against the shooters,
You just don't remember them.
You fall into the trap of believing that my view is different than yours i'm not just wrong but grossly ignorant with no concept of what is going wrong.
You also forget that you put yourself up as a greater authority than the courts and that they agree with me a very high percent of the time.
You also clearly are suffering from the delusion that I have proclaim the shooting justified. All I have suggested is that we wait for all the facts before we start stirring the tar. It seems that you always want a guilty verdict not only before the trial but before we have the facts.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 11:19:25 AM

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This message board and the chief of police.

According the Washington Post today, the police have released absolutely NO NARRATIVE about what happened during the shooting.

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Wrong there have been several cases where I spoke against the shooters,
You just don't remember them.

I'm happy to be wrong about this.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 11:28:47 AM

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I love the "credible report" disclaimer, translation, if I disagree with them they are not credible so I don't have to deal with the information.

I have not read any account of the victim going the for the policeman's gun from any credible news source. Have you? The only place I've seen that is on this message board.

At least you thought Pistorus was guilty, but in that case he shot a white woman. In all other incidents, you've backed the shooters 100% of the time. You have zero sense of "excessive use of force."

I guess you must have blinked when this was posted all of 30ish posts ago

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/11/us/police-say-mike-brown-was-killed-after-struggle-for-gun.html

Police Say Mike Brown Was Killed After Struggle for Gun in St. Louis Suburb

By JULIE BOSMAN and EMMA G. FITZSIMMONSAUG. 10, 2014

At a news conference on Sunday morning, the St. Louis County police chief, Jon Belmar, said that a man had been shot and killed after he had assaulted a police officer and the two had struggled over the officer’s gun inside his patrol car. At least one shot was fired from inside the car, Chief Belmar said.

The police on Sunday said they were still trying to sort out the exact details, but they released what they said was the fullest account of the shooting that they could provide. Just after noon on Saturday, the police said, an officer in a patrol car approached Mr. Brown and another man. As the officer began to leave his vehicle, one of the men pushed the officer back into the car and “physically assaulted” him, according to the police department’s account.

A struggle occurred “over the officer’s weapon,” and at least one shot was fired inside the car, Chief Belmar said. The two left the car, and the officer shot Mr. Brown about 35 feet away from the vehicle, the police reported. Several shots were fired from the officer’s weapon.

I guess NY times isn't a CREDIBLE enough source?
BTW that article is dated 8/10/14 right after it happened, not some REVISED later story

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 11:34:09 AM

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This message board and the chief of police.

According the Washington Post today, the police have released absolutely NO NARRATIVE about what happened during the shooting.

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Wrong there have been several cases where I spoke against the shooters,
You just don't remember them.

I'm happy to be wrong about this.

You have an unfortunate to interpret let's wait for the facts as he is innocent.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 11:38:09 AM

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the original OP, "Whichever way it goes, I'm curious what people think of the assertion that looting and burning is the proper response."

Looting and burning is really stupid, I have always wondered why the good people, and there are lots of them of all colors, never come out and condemn this sort of thing.

It has happened as long as I can remember.

I was in Berkeley in the 60's putting out those fires and we in the firehouse, both black and white, could never see where it advanced the cause of the people peacefully demonstrating.

Just stickin to the original OP question here.

On a side issue, Have any of you ever taken a Police Training Course where you have split seconds to decide to shoot or not and who to shoot or not? Betcha not many of you have. I have see one demonstrated in a PDCA class. Believe me, shit happens fast and comes atcha from the most unexpected places. Not makin any comments on who was doin what here though.

I did see the vid of the thief knockin the store guy around and his "witness" buddy also, Have any of you seen that?

Betcha dabommer and his hed laier/lawier don't like much.

OK go back to the pissin contest.

I am outa here.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 11:55:09 AM

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NOT IN REPLY TO ANYONE

the original OP, "Whichever way it goes, I'm curious what people think of the assertion that looting and burning is the proper response."

Looting and burning is really stupid, I have always wondered why the good people, and there are lots of them of all colors, never come out and condemn this sort of thing.

It has happened as long as I can remember.

I was in Berkeley in the 60's putting out those fires and we in the firehouse, both black and white, could never see where it advanced the cause of the people peacefully demonstrating.

Just stickin to the original OP question here.

On a side issue, Have any of you ever taken a Police Training Course where you have split seconds to decide to shoot or not and who to shoot or not? Betcha not many of you have. I have see one demonstrated in a PDCA class. Believe me, shit happens fast and comes atcha from the most unexpected places. Not makin any comments on who was doin what here though.

I did see the vid of the thief knockin the store guy around and his "witness" buddy also, Have any of you seen that?

Betcha dabommer and his hed laier/lawier don't like much.

OK go back to the pissin contest.

I am outa here.

you are quite right about what you said here...

tell what gets me is when the bengazi thing happened, the Obama admin had NSA CIA drone video and more intel gathering crap than GOD, and they got it WAYYYY WRONG and stuck to the story for 2 full weeks, and the people who expect a small town police dept that can't even afford to install its dash cams to have the WHOLE STORY and it better be CORRECT IMEADIATLY made every excuse under the sun as to why the Obama admin got it soooooooo WRONG

reminds me of the joke "what's the difference between a mischevious child and juvenile delinquent?" answer "whether is YOUR CHILD or NOT!"

and to top it ALL OFF, they scream give us the info give us the info, then cry that's TO MUCH INFO!

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 12:09:14 PM

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I may have missed some details, but I have at least three questions.

1. Apparently a customer reported the robbery/assault. Why didn't the store report it?
2. Why was the first and most widely distributed photo of Michael Brown so inaccurate? He looks about 13 and he's standing in front of a carousel horse. It gave a very different impression than the 230 pound man shown in the robbery video.
3. At least one witness supporting Mr. Brown claimed that the officer was attempting to drag him into the police car during the struggle. Don't cops usually have the suspect under control BEFORE they try to put them in their car?

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/16/2014 12:12:33 PM

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Just a little more on the PDCA class. In about every one, after a scene played out, when we asked questions, comments from the officers usually went something like this, "This aint the movies or TV" Meaning it ain't scripted and it don't get rapped up in an hour like in CSI or Bones.

Here is one for you to mull over. Down in Austin, Tx. a while back a guy got shot by a cop. Shit came down from all over on the cop, may lose his badge, job, go up for murder and the works. The city of Austin is gonna give the family $750K because of it. Then this came out, and we don't hear a sound about it one way or another on TV News. NO NADA, Nuttin.

Check it out at http://austin.craigslist.org/rnr/4605048991.html and for you with out the computer savvy to do that Here is a quote with permission re: [email protected].

""Larry Eugene Jackson, Jr. Was committing a crime when he was shot. He had stolen checks and he was trying to cash. This was not the first time he tried to cash out stolen checks. He was recognized by the teller and she alerted the officer. He was asked to leave the first time he showed up but he kept returning trying to cash the check and close out the account. This criminal did not know but the owner of the check and the account is friends and is a good customer of the bank . That how they knew he was not the owner of the check. Now, Jackson was well known to the police. He had had six prior arrests and at least two convictions. His two most recent convictions came after arrests in 2008 for assault and financial instrument forger. That type of charge is made when police arrest someone for falsifying a check, money order or financial transaction card. Now the " City of Austin" wants to pay his wife and kids for having a criminal husband that was shot while committing at least 2 felony's . City of Austin is getting closer to offering a settlement to the family of this criminal. $750,000.00 is what I hear is the settlement. That's our tax money that is being givin to the family of this criminal. The city is sending the wrong message, if your a criminal and you get the police to shoot you then your family will be rich and set for life. ""

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