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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/26/2014 12:01:57 PM

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The corruption was defined

As was the bigotry. Was it a single count inditment? Or were there more items on the list?

and the same council you are linking asked the county police to take over. And they hired back 7 of the same police from Jennings to patrol the same city.

Now why would the city allow that if they were racists police ?

Because they could not prove a crime against them and no other reason

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/26/2014 12:05:20 PM

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You idiot, he wasn't shot for stealing cigars
He wasn't shot for jaywalking
He was shot for attacking a cop

That would be your bigoted ignorant unsubsantiated opinion.
Wern't you the loud mouth punk who said innocent till proven guilty?
Why is the black unarmed guy instantly guilty in your eyes and the armed thug with a badge is instantly not guilty?
Doesn't it hurt your mouth when you talk out of both sides of it at the same time?

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/26/2014 12:08:49 PM

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In Cloudboy's world it's ok for "unarmed teens" to walk down the middle of the street obstructing the flow of traffic, and to steal cigars. No wonder Baltimore is such a fucking shithole.

Since you are unaware of any traffic on that road that night except the cop car you are, as usual, making shit up?
Why don't you hook up with a sinker and a cup-o and gas it up with the other mall cops about your latest ignorant opinion.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/26/2014 12:15:07 PM

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Well now, this is interesting. Apparently there is an audio recording of the shooting that the FBI is investigating. The audio recording shows a series of shots, followed by a pause and then another series of shots. What this means is anyone's guess, it has implications for both versions of the shooting.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/michael-brown-ferguson-shooting/index.html

Cue wild speculation in 3... 2... 1... GO!

Edited to add: I have not verified this yet... first cup of coffee... forgive me.

My ignorant unsubstantiated opinion is that that big guy laying on the ground with a few puny .40 cal pills in his center of mass shook off that insignificant little bitch slap, that had made him loose his balance, and got up to teach dat punk wid da piece a lesson????How else could it have happened????

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/26/2014 12:29:25 PM

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Bundy bull-rushed the cops?

If you are going to start this with ignorant bullshit ok by me.
You ignorant phoque did you not read the part about the bundy possie having lethal force you know like guns not fat guys trying to run over you? Where the phoque do you equate that with a "bull rush"?
Why do you feel that men with guns are somehow less lethal than some fat guy running at you while you have a gun? Do you even read the moronic nonsense you post and put your name to?

The issue with Bundy was not whether his claim was valid (it likely isn't) but whether the Feds had to threaten force as opposed to handling the matter in the courts through proper adjudication.

If you would educate yourself before you stuff both feet in your mouth I would not have loan you a pry bar to get them out. The courts had adjudicated the issue and the cops were there to enforce the court order.
Why do you even bother to post if you have no clue what you are talking about?

It was Fed overreach that was the issue, over-militarization. Bundy didn't bomb anyone or hurt anyone.

Nope he did not, he stole millions of dollars and threatened to kill the cops if they tried to enforce the court order. Which you seem to approve of since he was white there is no reason to kill him to show him who is boss.

You have no evidence to say a "black kid [bitch-slapped] a cop."

Please try to keep up....how many times have we discussed the not broken eye socket on the copper? Or do you think that punk punched himself?

You weren't there. Nor was I. The evidence supporting Brown has thus far come from an accomplice who has previously filed false reports to the police,

Is it your contention that cops do not file false police reports or commit purjury?

from assertions Brown was shot in the back (disproved by the autopsy), etc. If the evidence shows Brown was in fact trying to seriously injure, maim or kill Wilson, what then? Your argument

What arguement have I made?

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/26/2014 12:57:53 PM

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Try reading my post instead of trying to find some clever way to keep your foot out of your mouth.

Well now, aren't you clever? I read your post, somehow you think that I am either an ostrich with my head in the sand, or that I am a dolt, I am under the impression that it is both. Obviously you know better than a professional medical examiner, I, on the other hand, do not.

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It goes against all that you claim to know about guns and so you disregard what you know for the word of someone you have never seen nor have you checked out to see if he had any claim to validity.

What I claim to know about guns is not my problem nor is it my point. I know nothing about forensic pathology and neither do you. Can you not see that there could be circumstances where gunshot residue would not get on someone at a distance of one foot? If it is impossible then tell me why the medical examiner said that it could be possible.

Before you decry Dr. Michael Baden as not talking from a position of authority, perhaps you should check his qualifications. Have you checked them or are you simply being argumentative just because you like to be contrary and attempt to make someone look stupid? In this particular case, attempting to make me look stupid is going to backfire on you terribly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Baden

http://educationforensic.com/advisors/bio_michaelbaden.html

The man is qualified, experienced, and has likely done more autopsies than you have. Whether or not you accept that as a fact or not is more reflective on you than it is on me. His career has had some controversy, but that may come more from his public "celebrity" profile than anything. To dismiss his qualifications based on those things would be silly.

Now, tell me that it is unreasonable for me to trust the word of a professional, board certified, forensic pathologist over taking the word of a guy on a message board whose only qualifications are what they say they have. I have already acquiesced to your point about doing the tests myself, but just because you can reproduce it with a piece of paper doesn't mean that it is out of the realm of possibility that in a shooting, gunshot residue might not be evident at as close as 1 foot away. You do not know the distance that Michael Brown was shot, nor do I.

You can be dismissive of me all you want. I think, of the two of us, I am being more logical. If you can bring something more to the table than simply being contrary for the sake of being contrary, I welcome the debate, otherwise, I think I am done here.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/26/2014 1:44:37 PM

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Try reading my post instead of trying to find some clever way to keep your foot out of your mouth.

Well now, aren't you clever?

How very observant of you.

I read your post, somehow you think that I am either an ostrich with my head in the sand,

Osteriches do not put their head in the sand.

or that I am a dolt, I am under the impression that it is both.

Wrong on both counts. I think you are being arbitrarily obdurant.

Obviously you know better than a professional medical examiner, I, on the other hand, do not.

Thank you for acknowledging that fact.

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It goes against all that you claim to know about guns and so you disregard what you know for the word of someone you have never seen nor have you checked out to see if he had any claim to validity.

What I claim to know about guns is not my problem nor is it my point. I know nothing about forensic pathology and neither do you.

What does a knowledge of forensic patholigy have to do with gsw? Ordinance is it's own science and its physical rules are welll known.

Can you not see that there could be circumstances where gunshot residue would not get on someone at a distance of one foot?

No...How about a list of possibilities? Since the muzzle velocity of a .40 cal pill is about 1000 fps give or take a couple of hundred fps we would need a cross wind moving at about the same speed to push the powder away. I did check the weather reports for furgesstan and saw no anomolies that would indicate winds at that speed.

If it is impossible then tell me why the medical examiner said that it could be possible.

Perhaps he is a moron. I am not a mind reader.

Before you decry Dr. Michael Baden as not talking from a position of authority, perhaps you should check his qualifications. Have you checked them or are you simply being argumentative just because you like to be contrary and attempt to make someone look stupid?

I can do nothing to make anyone but me look stupid.

In this particular case, attempting to make me look stupid is going to backfire on you terribly.

Only you can do that. I have only asked you to validate your position and your position is that some talking head said something that is contrary to your experience and you believe it. Not my problem that you choose to ignore your experience in favor of the opinion of someone you never met.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Baden

http://educationforensic.com/advisors/bio_michaelbaden.html

The man is qualified, experienced, and has likely done more autopsies than you have.

No I was the one providing the bodies.

Whether or not you accept that as a fact or not is more reflective on you than it is on me.

I agree. I am willing to rely on my experiene rather than some moron I know to be mistaken.

His career has had some controversy, but that may come more from his public "celebrity" profile than anything. To dismiss his qualifications based on those things would be silly.

I dismiss his claims baised on personal experience and nothing more.

Now, tell me that it is unreasonable for me to trust the word of a professional, board certified, forensic pathologist over taking the word of a guy on a message board whose only qualifications are what they say they have.

I think it is unreasonable for you to tust the word of a professional, board certified forensic patholigist over your own experience.

I have already acquiesced to your point about doing the tests myself, but just because you can reproduce it with a piece of paper doesn't mean that it is out of the realm of possibility that in a shooting, gunshot residue might not be evident at as close as 1 foot away. You do not know the distance that Michael Brown was shot, nor do I.

The distance at which he was shot is irrelevant to this conversation. We are discussing gsw at a distane of 1 foot and nothing more.

You can be dismissive of me all you want. I think, of the two of us, I am being more logical.

I do not feel it is logial to take the word of someone I do not know against my own experience...obviously you do.

If you can bring something more to the table than simply being contrary for the sake of being contrary,

Logic is all I got...sorry

I welcome the debate, otherwise, I think I am done here.

Even the ladies need to know their limitations.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/27/2014 6:33:57 AM

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These guys are hopeless. The Heretic especially.

An black 18 year old teenager deserves to die from six gunshots after stealing cigars and jaywalking. The whole community reports a feeling of police harassment, and all H can say is "I think it was a minimum of two, on the day he got killed - a shopkeeper and a cop. The second of those worked out badly for him. "

TRANSLATION: He doesn't give a shit.

He was asked a question and he answered it. The fact that you think this means he doesn't give a shit tells me that you are still living with your head in the clouds and ignoring reality. Maybe someday you will learn how to discuss things by listening to what people say and not relying on the voices in your head. Until then anything you say will most likely be looked at with the same respect one might give the funny papers. Good for a laugh, but that's all.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/27/2014 6:38:09 AM

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These guys are hopeless. The Heretic especially.

An black 18 year old teenager deserves to die from six gunshots after stealing cigars and jaywalking. The whole community reports a feeling of police harassment, and all H can say is "I think it was a minimum of two, on the day he got killed - a shopkeeper and a cop. The second of those worked out badly for him. "

TRANSLATION: He doesn't give a shit.

He was asked a question and he answered it. The fact that you think this means he doesn't give a shit tells me that you are still living with your head in the clouds and ignoring reality. Maybe someday you will learn how to discuss things by listening to what people say and not relying on the voices in your head. Until then anything you say will most likely be looked at with the same respect one might give the funny papers. Good for a laugh, but that's all.

According to witness reports Brown wasn't just jaywalking, or stealing cigars. He was also in the process of viciously attacking a police officer when he was killed.

Thats bad luck, viciously attacking a police officer.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/27/2014 6:42:02 AM

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We dont actually have any witness reports like that exactly.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/27/2014 6:49:12 AM

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where are the police incident reports? its coming up on three weeks
weve heard the "supposed" audio ...surprisingly enough only one person responded to the post by Gauge.
Has it been debunked yet???

Daily show clip from last night...jon nails it again
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/ufqeuz/race-off

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/p0fcub/intro---the-ferguson-protest-challenge

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/27/2014 7:09:28 AM

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Good Daily show clip. It's like I said to BAMA, and it went way over his head, why are you making this about you (white people?) How can you turn something terrible that happened in the black community into WHITE OUTRAGE about reverse racism? Is is racial narcissism?

It's quite confounding, but a huge swath of white people also felt there were no problems back in 1950 too. That's not to say we haven't made progress, it's only to say that denial is part of the game.

Ferguson is a text book example of racial discrimination in the USA -- and white pundits can still turn that into a narrative about "reverse racism."

CUE: This is where Kirata posts his picture of looting, and the Heretic reminds us that Brown viciously attacked the police officer while shoving a store clerk just minutes beforehand.

I'll say one last thing. Police don't arm up with rifles aimed at "my community members," they only do it when they can point their firearms at "them."

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/27/2014 7:13:32 AM

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Good Daily show clip. It's like I said to BAMA, and it went way over his head, why are you making this about you (white people?) How can you turn something terrible that happened in the black community into WHITE OUTRAGE about reverse racism? Is is racial narcissism?

It's quite confounding, but a huge swath of white people also felt there were no problems back in 1950 too. That's not to say we haven't made progress, it's only to say that denial is part of the game.

Ferguson is a text book example of racial discrimination in the USA -- and white pundits can still turn that into a narrative about "reverse racism."

CUE: This is where Kirata posts his picture of looting, and the Heretic reminds us that Brown viciously attacked the police officer while shoving a store clerk just minutes beforehand.

Or this could be a cue to point out the most of your outrage is aimed at things that were never said and came from your own imagination and your twisted view of the world.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/27/2014 8:01:50 AM

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Ferguson is a text book example of racial discrimination in the USA -- and white pundits can still turn that into a narrative about "reverse racism."

There is nothing I can see in any of the statements by witnesses so far that would indicate racism. But you guys just keep on crying wolf.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/27/2014 10:30:42 AM

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weve heard the "supposed" audio ...surprisingly enough only one person responded to the post by Gauge.
Has it been debunked yet???

Please allow me to clarify why I posted that. I did not post it to present it as factual, I posted it because it could be important if it is authentic. CNN reported that the FBI is looking into the recording and examining its authenticity. I haven't seen anything more about it or I would post it... but of course, I haven't looked either.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/27/2014 10:33:48 AM

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Good Daily show clip. It's like I said to BAMA, and it went way over his head, why are you making this about you (white people?) How can you turn something terrible that happened in the black community into WHITE OUTRAGE about reverse racism? Is is racial narcissism?

It's quite confounding, but a huge swath of white people also felt there were no problems back in 1950 too. That's not to say we haven't made progress, it's only to say that denial is part of the game.

Ferguson is a text book example of racial discrimination in the USA -- and white pundits can still turn that into a narrative about "reverse racism."

CUE: This is where Kirata posts his picture of looting, and the Heretic reminds us that Brown viciously attacked the police officer while shoving a store clerk just minutes beforehand.

I'll say one last thing. Police don't arm up with rifles aimed at "my community members," they only do it when they can point their firearms at "them."

It didn't go "way over my head" it was wrong. You hang your hat on the word of a blatant racist.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/27/2014 10:35:37 AM

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OH I understood what you meant Gauge:)
As far as I am aware it is in the same state of flux that you stated.
I have looked for updates, as I have on the incidence report from the police,
we are looking at the event from different angles, but your logic and comments have been bang on as far as I have seen.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/27/2014 3:01:35 PM

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You can't even grasp what racism, racial profiling, and discrimination are. You'd never see if it if happened in your own back yard. If you can't see it in Ferguson, you won't see it anywhere. (Instead -- you, Sanity, theHeretic, and others of your ilk point to Holder and Obama and hint of reverse racism.)

Your job -- and the job of many whites is to simply deny everything while counter-punching with convenience store images, looting pictures, and the so far unsupported narrative that Brown attacked the police officer.

The report from arch city defenders went unread by you and your ilk -- even though the information in it was explosively illuminating. If I lived in Ferguson and I'd been arrested on warrants and incarcerated for not paying fines while having my car impounded and having my fines compounded by jail costs, impounding fees, etc... I'd have wanted to roll a grenade into the police building.

I don't like to be pushed around and harassed and fined for stupid shit.

Fuck, Wilson received a commendation for pulling up on a man parked in his own driveway and busting him for Marijuana possession. When you read the facts, it's quite hard to even ID the probable case in that case.

Parting Shot: You are as obtuse and the Fox News pundits in the John Stewart Video posted by Lucy.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/27/2014 4:08:49 PM

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You can't even grasp what racism, racial profiling, and discrimination are. You'd never see if it if happened in your own back yard. If you can't see it in Ferguson, you won't see it anywhere. (Instead -- you, Sanity, theHeretic, and others of your ilk point to Holder and Obama and hint of reverse racism.)

Your job -- and the job of many whites is to simply deny everything while counter-punching with convenience store images, looting pictures, and the so far unsupported narrative that Brown attacked the police officer.

The report from arch city defenders went unread by you and your ilk -- even though the information in it was explosively illuminating. If I lived in Ferguson and I'd been arrested on warrants and incarcerated for not paying fines while having my car impounded and having my fines compounded by jail costs, impounding fees, etc... I'd have wanted to roll a grenade into the police building.

I don't like to be pushed around and harassed and fined for stupid shit.

Fuck, Wilson received a commendation for pulling up on a man parked in his own driveway and busting him for Marijuana possession. When you read the facts, it's quite hard to even ID the probable case in that case.

Parting Shot: You are as obtuse and the Fox News pundits in the John Stewart Video posted by Lucy.

I never said one word about reverse racism. I merely pointed out a clearly racist comment.
If Brown didn't attack Wilson were did the injuries come from.
You are so bigoted (white guilt) that you actually believe that if someone pushed into a home and attacks the homeowner the only explanation for shooting him is that he was black. The whole world is to the sane side of that.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/27/2014 5:31:44 PM

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Ferguson is a text book example of racial discrimination in the USA

Where is the evidence of racism? Because the cop was white and the kid was black? Is that some kind of automatic thing? What about a black cop shooting and killing an unarmed white teen? Since you've admitted being a racist who projects his racism onto literally "everybody," I figure you can explain these subtle points. Thank you in advance.

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