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BamaD -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/28/2014 3:35:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Taser is off the table, they didn't have them. As a matter of interest - why? Someone has been shot, recently, in the area, and it's caused a monumental outcry across the country. Wouldn't it have been prudent to avoid any more shootings by, for instance, arming police ASAP with non-lethal weapons and telling them to for God's sake use these first? Don't know,most likely it would be one of 4 things. A they had seen videos of people continuing to attack after being hit by as many as 6 tasers. B they were afraid of being sued because another department was sued when someone died after being tased (I know they sound contradictory but both have happened) D more likely there had be complaints of overuse of tasers (we have homegrown freedoms and we have some cops who would think it was funny watching someone flop around) E budget restraints, this would explain why the SGT had one when he showed up.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/28/2014 3:35:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 But, again, looking at the video, I saw nothing substantially or inherently dangerous enough that the officers couldn't have taken a different non-lethal route. So you did not notice that he was black? Maybe if you slowed the video down?[8\|] I don't consider a black man to be any more dangerous than a white man, or a yellow man, or even a pink man with yellow spots (aka, Mr Blobby! lol). It would appear that my attempt at humor was lost on you. He was shot for being black in public. If pamala anderson was acting like that you can bet your as there would have been a wraslin' match and not a gunfight. The colour of his skin makes no difference and I won't succumb to a racially-slurred PoV on what I consider to be a perfectly simple case of over-zealous trigger-happy cops. I think I can come up with a pretty simple way to disabuse you of your ingorance. Take a look see at how many blacks get shot like this vs. how many whites. Then consider that whites outnumber blacks in this country by about four to one. Dont forget to factor that into your cipherin' I'm aware that blacks are more often targeted than whites. That appears to be inherent in the attitudes of the general public in the US. It shouldn't be though. but sadly it is. Old habits die hard. [:D]

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/28/2014 3:41:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Taser is off the table, they didn't have them. As a matter of interest - why? Someone has been shot, recently, in the area, and it's caused a monumental outcry across the country. Wouldn't it have been prudent to avoid any more shootings by, for instance, arming police ASAP with non-lethal weapons and telling them to for God's sake use these first? Don't know,most likely it would be one of 4 things. A they had seen videos of people continuing to attack after being hit by as many as 6 tasers. B they were afraid of being sued because another department was sued when someone died after being tased (I know they sound contradictory but both have happened) D more likely there had be complaints of overuse of tasers (we have homegrown freedoms and we have some cops who would think it was funny watching someone flop around) E budget restraints, this would explain why the SGT had one when he showed up. Interesting points Bama. A) Most people are severely disabled on the first shot, and those still standing don't have much control after the seconds one. The only time I've ever seen someone supposedly 'needing' more than 2 shots, they were just fired anyway when the person was still standing (but posing no real threat). B) And they don't get sued for being shot with a real gun?? That's really fucked up logic!! C) And we see cops thinking it's better to kill with real bullets than using a tazer?? [8\|] D) Are you trying to tell me that a tazer is significantly more expensive than a real gun and ammo? That doesn't sound right at all.

PeonForHer -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/28/2014 3:57:34 PM)
quote: Don't know,most likely it would be one of 4 things. A they had seen videos of people continuing to attack after being hit by as many as 6 tasers. B they were afraid of being sued because another department was sued when someone died after being tased (I know they sound contradictory but both have happened) D more likely there had be complaints of overuse of tasers (we have homegrown freedoms and we have some cops who would think it was funny watching someone flop around) E budget restraints, this would explain why the SGT had one when he showed up. Bloody hell, Bama, that's all so weak. I mean, I don't need to say that, do I? I'm having to pull my eyebrows down from the ceiling at reading that the US can't afford some form of (relatively very cheap) weaponry. The USA is not known to have a restrictive budget when it comes to weapons. Also, any police chief would have gathered his troops together, surely, and said, 'For God's sake don't shoot and kill anybody else unless you really, really can't avoid it, eh, guys? I mean, we don't need any more hate than we've got right now, OK?". And I have no doubt that his political masters would have supported him, with promises to supply what was needed. (If the Chief and said political masters had any brains and could at least entertain the idea that their outlook and overall policy might just be a little fucked up, that is.)

eulero83 -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/28/2014 3:59:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 D) Are you trying to tell me that a tazer is significantly more expensive than a real gun and ammo? That doesn't sound right at all. Probably they supposed to raise a better budget by civil forfeiture and run out of cash after buying real guns and ammo.

BamaD -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/28/2014 4:07:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Don't know,most likely it would be one of 4 things. A they had seen videos of people continuing to attack after being hit by as many as 6 tasers. B they were afraid of being sued because another department was sued when someone died after being tased (I know they sound contradictory but both have happened) D more likely there had be complaints of overuse of tasers (we have homegrown freedoms and we have some cops who would think it was funny watching someone flop around) E budget restraints, this would explain why the SGT had one when he showed up. Bloody hell, Bama, that's all so weak. I mean, I don't need to say that, do I? I'm having to pull my eyebrows down from the ceiling at reading that the US can't afford some form of (relatively very cheap) weaponry. The USA is not known to have a restrictive budget when it comes to weapons. Also, any police chief would have gathered his troops together, surely, and said, 'For God's sake don't shoot and kill anybody else unless you really, really can't avoid it, eh, guys? I mean, we don't need any more hate than we've got right now, OK?". And I have no doubt that his political masters would have supported him, with promises to supply what was needed. (If the Chief and said political masters had any brains and could at least entertain the idea that their outlook and overall policy might just be a little fucked up, that is.) You haven't dealt with any U S law enforcement have you. I ran supply and purchasing for one and yes we had budgetary restrictions. None of our officers had tasers for two reasons A They were aware that too often they don't stop people, particularly if they are on crack or something. B We had a limited amount of money an things like cars, vests , and firearms took precedents. Doesn't matter whether you want to believe it or not. And hard as you will find this to believe not shooting someone ranks just behind not being injured or killed or allowing an innocent to be for virtually every cop in the country, otherwise they would be shooting people every day in every city in the country.

BamaD -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/28/2014 4:15:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Taser is off the table, they didn't have them. As a matter of interest - why? Someone has been shot, recently, in the area, and it's caused a monumental outcry across the country. Wouldn't it have been prudent to avoid any more shootings by, for instance, arming police ASAP with non-lethal weapons and telling them to for God's sake use these first? Don't know,most likely it would be one of 4 things. A they had seen videos of people continuing to attack after being hit by as many as 6 tasers. B they were afraid of being sued because another department was sued when someone died after being tased (I know they sound contradictory but both have happened) D more likely there had be complaints of overuse of tasers (we have homegrown freedoms and we have some cops who would think it was funny watching someone flop around) E budget restraints, this would explain why the SGT had one when he showed up. Interesting points Bama. A) Most people are severely disabled on the first shot, and those still standing don't have much control after the seconds one. The only time I've ever seen someone supposedly 'needing' more than 2 shots, they were just fired anyway when the person was still standing (but posing no real threat). B) And they don't get sued for being shot with a real gun?? That's really fucked up logic!! C) And we see cops thinking it's better to kill with real bullets than using a tazer?? [8\|] D) Are you trying to tell me that a tazer is significantly more expensive than a real gun and ammo? That doesn't sound right at all. Again you put your ignorance on display. A just because you don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen B They are far more likely to shoot them with a taser and thus more open to lawsuits Phoenix is being sued now, not because anyone died but because someone claims they use tasers too freely. C More likely to be sued over a taser because the threshold for use is so much lower. D No but they have to pay for the firearms before they can address the cost of tasers which many people lack your blind faith in.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/28/2014 4:22:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD ...and firearms took precedents. And there's our guys wondering if the latest Subaru Impreza is worth the budget or what type of nifty infra-red night camera is to get fitted to the local pursuit helicopter!! [:D] Jeez, Bama, haven't your guys got enough real guns to start thinking of better fiscal decisions??? The mind boggles at the stupidly incompetent priorities. [sm=banghead.gif][sm=gaah.gif] Perhaps they ought to invest in some personal combat training because it's clear they aren't competent enough to disarm a person with a knife without serious injury. [:D] Everywhere else in the world where guns are not commonplace, it's standard training. It's also rookie training in the armed forces too! ETA: our police forces tested and appraised the tazer when they were toying with the idea of issuing real guns. Even with all the hype and negative vids that flooded the media, tazers won hands down.

PeonForHer -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/28/2014 4:34:33 PM)
quote: Probably they supposed to raise a better budget by civil forfeiture and run out of cash after buying real guns and ammo. Far out. This is the country that manages to find up to $3 billion a year to send to a foreign country - Israel, that is - to furnish itself handsomely with bang up to the minute, state-of-the-art, no-expenses-spared, weaponry. But they can't afford cheap-as-chips Tasers for their own police, in order to prevent their own people from being shot to death. Oh, pfft. It's not my frigging country. Seriously, I sometimes think, 'Why should I care? These guys just like killing each other, and that is that. I'm used to fat, bloated, thick, right wing, authority-arse-licking coppers here in Britain - but at least they don't usually have the means to kill me. Better the devil you know, I say.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/28/2014 4:37:11 PM)
Makes you wonder where their priorities lie doesn't it???? [8\|]

igor2003 -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/28/2014 4:41:57 PM)
-FR- The 21 foot rule has been cited several times in this thread. I hadn’t heard of it before, so I did look up some info on it. From what this site says, it sounds like this “rule” is often questionable, though just as often valid, depending on the circumstances. Here is what it says at this website http://www.usadojo.com/articles/21-feet-valid.htm

BamaD -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/28/2014 5:04:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 -FR- The 21 foot rule has been cited several times in this thread. I hadn’t heard of it before, so I did look up some info on it. From what this site says, it sounds like this “rule” is often questionable, though just as often valid, depending on the circumstances. Here is what it says at this website http://www.usadojo.com/articles/21-feet-valid.htm And the inaccuracy is that often 21 ft isn't enough.

tj444 -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/28/2014 5:08:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Oh, pfft. It's not my frigging country. Seriously, I sometimes think, 'Why should I care? These guys just like killing each other, and that is that. I'm used to fat, bloated, thick, right wing, authority-arse-licking coppers here in Britain - but at least they don't usually have the means to kill me. Better the devil you know, I say. I don't understand the whole US gun thing either.. (but then, I don't get their politics either).. ""The UK has an unarmed police force and a firearm fatality rate that is 40 times lower per capita than in the U.S." In 2011, the rate of gun deaths of all kinds, including suicide, was 10.3 per 100,000 population in the United States. In the United Kingdom, the rate was 0.25 per 100,000. That is indeed 40 times less than the rate in the U.S. So Nightingale’s figure checked out. (The gap is even wider for "gun homicides": in 2011, the United Kingdom’s rate was 0.04 per 100,000 people, 90 times less than the 3.6 per 100,000 in the United States.)" http://www.politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2013/may/31/peter-nightingale/university-rhode-island-professor-says-united-king/

BamaD -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/28/2014 5:27:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Probably they supposed to raise a better budget by civil forfeiture and run out of cash after buying real guns and ammo. Far out. This is the country that manages to find up to $3 billion a year to send to a foreign country - Israel, that is - to furnish itself handsomely with bang up to the minute, state-of-the-art, no-expenses-spared, weaponry. But they can't afford cheap-as-chips Tasers for their own police, in order to prevent their own people from being shot to death. Oh, pfft. It's not my frigging country. Seriously, I sometimes think, 'Why should I care? These guys just like killing each other, and that is that. I'm used to fat, bloated, thick, right wing, authority-arse-licking coppers here in Britain - but at least they don't usually have the means to kill me. Better the devil you know, I say. The St Louis PD for example is not funded by the Federal government so you just admitted you don't know what you are talking about.

PeonForHer -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/28/2014 5:36:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD The St Louis PD for example is not funded by the Federal government so you just admitted you don't know what you are talking about. Then get it funded by Federal government. Or tax locals more. Jesus, political change is possible, Bama. I'm not talking about a Bolshevik revolution, here.

BamaD -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/28/2014 6:00:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD The St Louis PD for example is not funded by the Federal government so you just admitted you don't know what you are talking about. Then get it funded by Federal government. Or tax locals more. Jesus, political change is possible, Bama. I'm not talking about a Bolshevik revolution, here. Get it funded by the Federal Government shows that you don't understand our form of government at all. Tax them enough, people won't support increased funds for the police when there is a social program to fund. East St Louis tried your approach, drove out so much of their tax base that they went bankrupt, couldn't even pay teachers, cops, or firemen. Last time I went through there it looked like a war zone.

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