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BamaD -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/26/2014 7:26:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I guess you don't know that you can't count on backup till they arrive. I guess you think that cops should always run from people threatening them, to hell with the civilians that person can turn on. I guess that you don't know that none of the nonlethal tools at their disposal were not designed to effectively stop someone in this situation. Cops have radios, they would have known that back up was very close I didn't say always run, you did. The video doesn't show any civilians in close proximity, they had all backed away. In any case he was clearly focused on the cops They didn't even consider any non lethal tools, they got out the car and drew their weapons. Again, can you only see 2 options, shoot the guy multiple times or be stabbed? You have an avatar of a man burning himself to death and you dare to talk about anyone elses' reverence for life?

Gauge -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/26/2014 7:35:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Call it what you will. My point is that your cavilear attitude about the dead man turned around instantly when it might by one of yours laying on the sidewalk with a half dozen bullets in him. Now either deal with your two faced duplicity or step off, it makes no difference to me. My attitude did not change about anything. If my child did that in front of a police officer, of course I would be devastated, but I would also understand why the officer did what he did. You seem to know a lot about what I think... tell me what I am thinking right now. quote: This thread is about the death of a black man which you diminished by saying he killed himself. From what I can see from his actions on the video, he did. Most people that do not want to die usually do not commit a crime, wait for the police to arrive, and approach the police with a weapon in their hand screaming, "Shoot Me!" If you claim to know what was going through this man's mind before he was shot, then I suggest you are wasting your time here and should be either playing the lottery or hosting your own TV show. quote: I cite data that shows that body armor does stop knife attacks and I am being unreasonable? I point out that gsw will be present at a distance of 1 foot and you choose to ignore your own factual knowledge about gsw and you claim I am unreasonable. Yes. You are unreasonable, and deluded enough to claim you can know what I am thinking. My discussion of the steak knife did not pertain to whether or not it could penetrate a vest or not, it was in response to the question of whether or not a steak knife was a weapon capable of killing. You ignored that part of it for your own purposes. quote: stop wasting bandwidth. Indeed. I know when something is futile, and a rational discussion with you is futile.

BamaD -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/26/2014 7:40:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gauge quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Call it what you will. My point is that your cavilear attitude about the dead man turned around instantly when it might by one of yours laying on the sidewalk with a half dozen bullets in him. Now either deal with your two faced duplicity or step off, it makes no difference to me. My attitude did not change about anything. If my child did that in front of a police officer, of course I would be devastated, but I would also understand why the officer did what he did. You seem to know a lot about what I think... tell me what I am thinking right now. quote: This thread is about the death of a black man which you diminished by saying he killed himself. From what I can see from his actions on the video, he did. Most people that do not want to die usually do not commit a crime, wait for the police to arrive, and approach the police with a weapon in their hand screaming, "Shoot Me!" If you claim to know what was going through this man's mind before he was shot, then I suggest you are wasting your time here and should be either playing the lottery or hosting your own TV show. quote: I cite data that shows that body armor does stop knife attacks and I am being unreasonable? I point out that gsw will be present at a distance of 1 foot and you choose to ignore your own factual knowledge about gsw and you claim I am unreasonable. Yes. You are unreasonable, and deluded enough to claim you can know what I am thinking. My discussion of the steak knife did not pertain to whether or not it could penetrate a vest or not, it was in response to the question of whether or not a steak knife was a weapon capable of killing. You ignored that part of it for your own purposes. quote: stop wasting bandwidth. Indeed. I know when something is futile, and a rational discussion with you is futile. There are lots of serious places to stab people that aren't covered by vests. Vests with metal or ceramic plates will most assuredly stop any knife, but street cops don't wear them. A too heavy B too hot c too expensive

thompsonx -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/26/2014 8:00:33 PM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD There are lots of serious places to stab people that aren't covered by vests. Vests with metal or ceramic plates will most assuredly stop any knife, but street cops don't wear them. A too heavy B too hot c too expensive Do you just open your mouth to change feet?

thompsonx -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/26/2014 8:10:03 PM)
ORIGINAL: Gauge quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Call it what you will. My point is that your cavilear attitude about the dead man turned around instantly when it might by one of yours laying on the sidewalk with a half dozen bullets in him. Now either deal with your two faced duplicity or step off, it makes no difference to me. My attitude did not change about anything. If my child did that in front of a police officer, of course I would be devastated, but I would also understand why the officer did what he did. You would feel that the cop as jutified in killing your emotionally disabled child? Kewel for you. You seem to know a lot about what I think... tell me what I am thinking right now. That is easy...you are thinking I am an asshole who knows more than you and that bugs the shit out of you. See how easy that was. quote: This thread is about the death of a black man which you diminished by saying he killed himself. From what I can see from his actions on the video, he did. Yes we all saw that black man put a gun to his head and pull the trigger 9 times[8\|] Most people that do not want to die usually do not commit a crime, wait for the police to arrive, and approach the police with a weapon in their hand screaming, "Shoot Me!" If you claim to know what was going through this man's mind before he was shot, That would be a construct of your imagination and not of mine. then I suggest you are wasting your time here and should be either playing the lottery or hosting your own TV show. I have all the money I need so I have no need to waste any of my time earning more. quote: I cite data that shows that body armor does stop knife attacks and I am being unreasonable? I point out that gsw will be present at a distance of 1 foot and you choose to ignore your own factual knowledge about gsw and you claim I am unreasonable. Yes. You are unreasonable, and deluded enough to claim you can know what I am thinking. My discussion of the steak knife did not pertain to whether or not it could penetrate a vest or not, it was in response to the question of whether or not a steak knife was a weapon capable of killing. You ignored that part of it for your own purposes. Not at all. Since the thugs with badges had body armor the steak knife is a non issue. Your duplicitous efforts to disregard that fact not withstanding. quote: stop wasting bandwidth. Indeed. I know when something is futile, and a rational discussion with you is futile. Perhaps you should check the dictionary on that word rational. This would be the second time you have promised to stop wasting my time with your peurile opinions.

deathtothepixies -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/27/2014 3:31:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You have an avatar of a man burning himself to death and you dare to talk about anyone elses' reverence for life? You have said some really stupid things but that is pretty close to the top of the pile. So anyway we are no closer to answering the question. It was kill or be killed? No other option? Having watched the video you are 100% happy that the cops had to shoot him 9 times?

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/27/2014 3:47:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 As much as I usually disagree with Thompson, he does have a point.... unfortunately. One has to wonder why you feel badly agreeing with the truth? I don't feel badly about it [:)] The "unfortunately" trailer was for the benefit of the gundiots who can only think of "kill or be killed" and apparently defend anyone using a gun to kill any intruder or assailant without thought to any other methods.

BamaD -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/27/2014 3:52:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You have an avatar of a man burning himself to death and you dare to talk about anyone elses' reverence for life? You have said some really stupid things but that is pretty close to the top of the pile. So anyway we are no closer to answering the question. It was kill or be killed? No other option? Having watched the video you are 100% happy that the cops had to shoot him 9 times? I am not happy that the cops had to shoot at all. You suffer from the delusion that since the cops had little choice in the matter that this somehow delights me. There was no time to call there was no time to switch weapons and they came in answering an armed robbery call. Tragic. You know how it could have been avoided? If Powell had stayed home. If he hadn't introduced lethal weapons into the situation, if he hadn't insisted on advancing on the cops in spite of warnings. He brought this on himself. That doesn't even remotely mean there is anything to be happy about.

BamaD -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/27/2014 3:54:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You have an avatar of a man burning himself to death and you dare to talk about anyone elses' reverence for life? You have said some really stupid things but that is pretty close to the top of the pile. So anyway we are no closer to answering the question. It was kill or be killed? No other option? Having watched the video you are 100% happy that the cops had to shoot him 9 times? If that is how you want people to think about you, you need to rethink your whole outlook on life.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/27/2014 4:05:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 As much as I usually disagree with Thompson, he does have a point.... unfortunately. We are all judging Powell with straight-thinking, rational minds. This may not have been how Powell was and quite likely, not fully aware of the 'usual' circumstances of his actions. Suicide by cop? Possibly. But there could have been a different outcome. It's not always best to shoot first and ask questions later - at least it shouldn't be. I'm sure it was quite possible to take him down without killing him. And this is precisely what is very wrong with the gun culture of the US. Far too many unnecessary gun deaths because it's the easy way out. You are aware are you not that at the point when they fired he was so close that they no longer had enough space to keep him from stabbing them. You have to know that they tried talking to him first. Were they supposed to keep talking till he actually stabbed one of them? can I just copy in something I wrote earlier that you have ignored? so do you really think that there were only 2 ways that this confrontation could have been concluded? Either the cops shot the guy multiple times or the cops got stabbed? No other options? I guess the cops were unaware of the car they had just got out of that could have been used? I guess the cops were unaware of the big open empty street behind them that could have been used? I guess the cops were unaware of all the back up which arrived less than 2 minutes after they did which could have been used? I guess the cops were unaware of the non lethal equipment at their disposal which could have been used? Fair enough then, I guess the only option was to get out of the car, draw their guns and kill him. It's the way Bama thinks. Always seems to have that "kill or be killed" gun mentality. There is no other way in his books - only ever 2 options. Kevlar on it's own is still pretty good; even with knives. Bearing in mind that personal body armour also has many other layers which make it very effective against firearms and knives (as thompson pointed out), Bama chooses to ignore this fact. He also chooses to ignore all other options (tasers, sprays, nightsticks, temporary retreats, using the car, etc) and still insists it's a "kill or be killed" situation. Given that gauge said the video was barely 12-15 seconds long from beginning to end, there couldn't have been much in the way of "conversation" or talking with Powell. WTF??? Let's kill the crazy fucker and plead self defense - typical gun culture response and all too easy. It'll probably get recorded as suicide by cop - an easy way to sweep the whole situation under the carpet. Personally, I'm thinking along the lines of trigger-happy cops taking the easy way out.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/27/2014 4:11:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You suffer from the delusion that since the cops had little choice in the matter that this somehow delights me. There was no time to call there was no time to switch weapons and they came in answering an armed robbery call. Tragic. You know how it could have been avoided? If Powell had stayed home. If he hadn't introduced lethal weapons into the situation, if he hadn't insisted on advancing on the cops in spite of warnings. He brought this on himself. That doesn't even remotely mean there is anything to be happy about. They had plenty of options - they chose not to employ them. One could have called while the other diverted the attention of Powell; so yes, they could have called. 12-15 seconds was ample time to change weapons (or retire a little ways) but they chose to ignore that option. They were in a car, Powell was on foot. They could easily had driven off in one direction or the other to avoid the conflict. There were plenty of ways it could of been avoided: by the cops taking many other options rather than shoot him.

BamaD -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/27/2014 4:52:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You suffer from the delusion that since the cops had little choice in the matter that this somehow delights me. There was no time to call there was no time to switch weapons and they came in answering an armed robbery call. Tragic. You know how it could have been avoided? If Powell had stayed home. If he hadn't introduced lethal weapons into the situation, if he hadn't insisted on advancing on the cops in spite of warnings. He brought this on himself. That doesn't even remotely mean there is anything to be happy about. They had plenty of options - they chose not to employ them. One could have called while the other diverted the attention of Powell; so yes, they could have called. 12-15 seconds was ample time to change weapons (or retire a little ways) but they chose to ignore that option. They were in a car, Powell was on foot. They could easily had driven off in one direction or the other to avoid the conflict. There were plenty of ways it could of been avoided: by the cops taking many other options rather than shoot him. Drove off, in case you aren't smart enough to understand that is running away You are also not smart enough to understand that he could easily charged at any time they disarmed themselves while changing weapons. You also ignore the fact that they went in thinking it was an armed robbery and then once they were in it they had used up half of the time at least. But no, they had guns so they were wrong.

Kirata -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/27/2014 4:56:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx This thread is about the death of a black man which you diminished by saying he killed himself. Ohhhh, it was a black man, not an ordinary human being. Well, that changes everything. K.

BamaD -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/27/2014 5:09:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 As much as I usually disagree with Thompson, he does have a point.... unfortunately. We are all judging Powell with straight-thinking, rational minds. This may not have been how Powell was and quite likely, not fully aware of the 'usual' circumstances of his actions. Suicide by cop? Possibly. But there could have been a different outcome. It's not always best to shoot first and ask questions later - at least it shouldn't be. I'm sure it was quite possible to take him down without killing him. And this is precisely what is very wrong with the gun culture of the US. Far too many unnecessary gun deaths because it's the easy way out. You are aware are you not that at the point when they fired he was so close that they no longer had enough space to keep him from stabbing them. You have to know that they tried talking to him first. Were they supposed to keep talking till he actually stabbed one of them? can I just copy in something I wrote earlier that you have ignored? so do you really think that there were only 2 ways that this confrontation could have been concluded? Either the cops shot the guy multiple times or the cops got stabbed? No other options? I guess the cops were unaware of the car they had just got out of that could have been used? I guess the cops were unaware of the big open empty street behind them that could have been used? I guess the cops were unaware of all the back up which arrived less than 2 minutes after they did which could have been used? I guess the cops were unaware of the non lethal equipment at their disposal which could have been used? Fair enough then, I guess the only option was to get out of the car, draw their guns and kill him. It's the way Bama thinks. Always seems to have that "kill or be killed" gun mentality. There is no other way in his books - only ever 2 options. Kevlar on it's own is still pretty good; even with knives. Bearing in mind that personal body armour also has many other layers which make it very effective against firearms and knives (as thompson pointed out), Bama chooses to ignore this fact. He also chooses to ignore all other options (tasers, sprays, nightsticks, temporary retreats, using the car, etc) and still insists it's a "kill or be killed" situation. Given that gauge said the video was barely 12-15 seconds long from beginning to end, there couldn't have been much in the way of "conversation" or talking with Powell. WTF??? Let's kill the crazy fucker and plead self defense - typical gun culture response and all too easy. It'll probably get recorded as suicide by cop - an easy way to sweep the whole situation under the carpet. Personally, I'm thinking along the lines of trigger-happy cops taking the easy way out. Moron I have said that there are forms of kevlar that are very effective against knives. They are, however, not the forms worn by patrol officers. The primary reason I dismissed them using tasers was the minor point that they didn't have them. You dismiss the fact that Powell made sure that it was kill or be killed by bringing a knife to a gun fight and that he seems to have wanted the cops to shoot him.

deathtothepixies -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/27/2014 5:21:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You have an avatar of a man burning himself to death and you dare to talk about anyone elses' reverence for life? You have said some really stupid things but that is pretty close to the top of the pile. So anyway we are no closer to answering the question. It was kill or be killed? No other option? Having watched the video you are 100% happy that the cops had to shoot him 9 times? I am not happy that the cops had to shoot at all. You suffer from the delusion that since the cops had little choice in the matter that this somehow delights me. There was no time to call there was no time to switch weapons and they came in answering an armed robbery call. Tragic. You know how it could have been avoided? If Powell had stayed home. If he hadn't introduced lethal weapons into the situation, if he hadn't insisted on advancing on the cops in spite of warnings. He brought this on himself. That doesn't even remotely mean there is anything to be happy about. Ok, mea culpa, I forgot how incredibly obtuse you can be. I should have realised that you would take the word "happy" out of context. Having watched the video are you 100% "certain" that the cops had to shoot him 9 times? I am not going to agree with freedoms comment about driving away, there was a bloke who was drunk/high/insane wandering around with a knife so they couldn't just leave, but again you seem to have this black and white, two option idea that there was nothing they could do except stand and shoot or run away. Are you 100% certain that the cops all the steps they could to avoid killing a man? I don't think they took any steps

PeonForHer -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/27/2014 5:34:02 PM)
quote: You have an avatar of a man burning himself to death and you dare to talk about anyone elses' reverence for life? To be fair, Bama, you have an avatar of a particularly thick-looking dog. Yet most people try hard not to make any judgements against you for it.

Gauge -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/27/2014 5:49:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Given that gauge said the video was barely 12-15 seconds long from beginning to end, there couldn't have been much in the way of "conversation" or talking with Powell. I am just clarifying something: I never said that the video was 12-15 seconds long. The actual video is about 6 minutes long give or take. From the time the police arrive to the time of the first shot being fired is about 12-15 seconds. If you have not watched the video, you should see what Powell does. Since it is disturbing and you may not want to watch it, I can tell you that he waited around for the cops to arrive, advanced on the cops with a weapon in hand, ignored commands from the police, closed the distance to about 10-12 feet when the first shot is fired, all the while screaming at the police to shoot him.

Gauge -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/27/2014 6:00:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies Are you 100% certain that the cops all the steps they could to avoid killing a man? I don't think they took any steps They tried to get him to stop, they told him to drop the knife, they told him to get down on the ground. They were responding to a report of a robbery when another 911 call came in reporting that the guy had a knife. This is why they had guns drawn when they got out of their car. In the 12-15 seconds that they had because this guy was advancing on them, I don't know what else they could have done. If you have any ideas for something more that they could have done, I am all ears. Had they known that the guy was trying to get shot, they would have responded differently I am sure. Before you jump me about his wanting to get shot, go find my post where I broke down the audio of the events leading up to when the police arrived. Powell said something that I was unable to understand to the guy recording the video and the guy holding the camera said, "You die." to him. Why on earth would he say that to Powell unless what he said indicated that he wanted to die? I am not being argumentative here so please do not misunderstand me, I just do not know what else could have been done.

BamaD -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/27/2014 6:02:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: You have an avatar of a man burning himself to death and you dare to talk about anyone elses' reverence for life? To be fair, Bama, you have an avatar of a particularly thick-looking dog. Yet most people try hard not to make any judgements against you for it. I have an avatar of one of the prettiest and smartest dogs on the planet Used to have my picture but I decided that the dog looked better. And mine doesn't celebrate death. Far less offensive avatars than his have been removed by the mods

Kirata -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/27/2014 6:15:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I have an avatar of one of the prettiest and smartest dogs on the planet Well, smart for a dog. If you want to really see smart, get a cat. [:D] K.

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