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tweakabelle -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/25/2014 5:31:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted So when Ken said "But yes, with serious intent. He broke my arm", he really meant "you do realize that my brother and I were horsing around not doing anything serious right? He cracked my ulna by accident". Seems like an awfully big difference to me! Guess we just can't read. Maybe they don't speak English in Chi town? That would explain a LOT of Ken's posts. It's a recurring problem. K. Indeed.

DomKen -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/25/2014 2:37:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You are a moron serious intent and horsing around are two totally different things and anyone with any brains can see that. No, they aren't and anyone with brothers knows that. You're a single child or something right? Because you are such a clueless fuck I'll explain this is small words. He hit me hard enough to break my arm so he was serious when he swung but he'd hit me harder many other times, and I'd hit him harder as well we've spent a lot of our lives fighting, but he did not mean to do me harm. It's just the way brothers are sometimes. Now grow the fuck up.

BamaD -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/25/2014 2:48:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You are a moron serious intent and horsing around are two totally different things and anyone with any brains can see that. No, they aren't and anyone with brothers knows that. You're a single child or something right? Because you are such a clueless fuck I'll explain this is small words. He hit me hard enough to break my arm so he was serious when he swung but he'd hit me harder many other times, and I'd hit him harder as well we've spent a lot of our lives fighting, but he did not mean to do me harm. It's just the way brothers are sometimes. Now grow the fuck up. My brothers and I all had enough sense not to use a nightstick on someone we didn't want to injure very seriously. Did you get hit in the head or spiked. You know they take kids away from families that allow this sort of thing don't you? Are you to dumb to realize that you are making yourself look worse every time you come back to it, quit while you're behind.

deathtothepixies -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/25/2014 4:55:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata Wait, steal something from a store, disobey orders from armed police when they arrive, bait them, and then make a move toward an officer. Wow. And nobody thinks this is about Darwin Awards? K. survival of the fittest, yeah, I guess those cops passed that test seeing as it was clearly them or him. Having watched the clip it was obvious they had no choice but to shoot him 9 times. They had nowhere to retreat to, did they, pinned down behind their car? Innocent potential victims were milling around close to the victim, weren't they? No possible help was at hand, was it? It's interesting how at ease a lot of people here are with the death of this man, attitudes ranging from he deserved it to what do you expect would happen. Evolution has taken some funny twists and turns in some places, hasn't it?

Gauge -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/25/2014 5:43:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies It's interesting how at ease a lot of people here are with the death of this man, attitudes ranging from he deserved it to what do you expect would happen. Evolution has taken some funny twists and turns in some places, hasn't it? It is fucking horrible what happened to this guy. He basically killed himself, which is what he set out to do. I am not at ease with suicide.

deathtothepixies -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/25/2014 5:50:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gauge quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies It's interesting how at ease a lot of people here are with the death of this man, attitudes ranging from he deserved it to what do you expect would happen. Evolution has taken some funny twists and turns in some places, hasn't it? It is fucking horrible what happened to this guy. He basically killed himself, which is what he set out to do. I am not at ease with suicide. It was not suicide, that is my point. Only in America could this be viewed as suicide. Hello Darwin! Are you there? It's gone horribly wrong

Gauge -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/25/2014 5:58:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies It was not suicide, that is my point. Only in America could this be viewed as suicide. Hello Darwin! Are you there? It's gone horribly wrong Oh... OK. Then please tell me, what was the appropriate response within the 12 - 15 second time frame that the police had to react. Because, you know, everyone always advances on police with their guns drawn screaming for them to shoot.

BamaD -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/25/2014 5:58:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: Gauge quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies It's interesting how at ease a lot of people here are with the death of this man, attitudes ranging from he deserved it to what do you expect would happen. Evolution has taken some funny twists and turns in some places, hasn't it? It is fucking horrible what happened to this guy. He basically killed himself, which is what he set out to do. I am not at ease with suicide. It was not suicide, that is my point. Only in America could this be viewed as suicide. Hello Darwin! Are you there? It's gone horribly wrong He waited for the cops, threaten the cops avanced on the cops to well witin te danger zone for the cops. What do you want them to do. wait till they were stabbed? And he was either committing suicide or he was too crazy to take a chance with. Btw just how many innocent bystanders did the cops shoot anyway, that's right none.

thompsonx -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/26/2014 3:34:15 PM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD I get as upset over someone jumping off a bridge, tragic yes, sad yes, but it seems to be what he wanted. You get upset when someone jumps off of a bridge but when cops murder a black man you think it is kewel because you think he wanted it....tell us again about how you were married to a black woman.[8\|]

thompsonx -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/26/2014 3:40:04 PM)
ORIGINAL: Gauge This is a fast reply. I have watched this video over and over now. I even went as far as to pull the audio off of it and run it through some enhancement software that I have. From what I have been able to determine, sad as this may be, this was suicide by cop. I also do not think that the police had much choice in the matter. In the very beginning of the video it is obvious that Powell was waiting for the police to show up. When people got close to him he says: "Fuck dog, the fuck away from me, the fuck away from me with this shit. I'm gonna [not certain but it sounds like he says miss or kiss the ground or something similar], I'm gonna face [can't understand] do you know who I am? I'm tired of this shit." Of course, this doesn't mean much because the two places that are difficult to understand may be key statements. However the guy filming says to Powell, "You die, damn." This all happens before the cops show up. The distance that Powell was away from the cops when the first shot is fired seems to be about 12 feet. Not accurate by any measure of course, but it has got to be somewhere in there + or - a foot or two. The cops get a call for an armed robbery, they pull up with guns drawn of course because hey, it is an armed robbery. Powell begins to approach the police screaming "shoot me" repeatedly, meanwhile ignoring the officers commands to drop the knife and get down on the ground. Powell keeps closing the distance and circles a little to the left into that parking lot. The entire time ignoring the cops commands, he begins to move toward the officer on the passenger side of the car, the first shot is fired. To sit here and say that they could have handled it differently within the short 12 or 15 seconds between arrival and the shooting, I cannot see how they could. They had no idea what this guys state of mind was, nor did they have any way of knowing. The person who called 911 certainly didn't do a psych evaluation on Powell before they called so how would the cops know? It appears that no one knew exactly what Powell was going to do until he made that statement to the guy filming. I am trying to come up with a scenario that would have made this happen any differently, and I am not sure I can. He just kept coming toward the police with their guns drawn. This is what he wanted, it had to be. Had he just stood there insisting to be shot, the cops would not have shot him, they would have had some backup arrive and the situation would have been very different. But he basically pressed the cops into using lethal force, do anyone of you reasonably expect that if Powell got much closer to the cop that he wouldn't have raised the knife? The kid wanted to die. It is fucking terrible but the entire thing took 12-15 seconds to happen. Had the cops had a little more time and had Powell not just closed the distance so quickly, there may have been options. I am sure if you had a child who had emotional problems and was confronted by the authorities like this you would hold the same opinion.[8\|] On the other hand I think that two cops with body armor and night sticks should be more than a match for the individual they murdered.

thompsonx -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/26/2014 4:13:24 PM)
ORIGINAL: Kirata Wait, steal something from a store, disobey orders from armed police when they arrive, bait them, and then make a move toward an officer. Wow. And nobody thinks this is about Darwin Awards? Looks more to me like population control...black population control.

thompsonx -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/26/2014 4:15:22 PM)
ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted You really have to wonder if Powell was looking to die? Kind of looks that way. If an emotionally disturbed individual ask you to shoot them would you? Why do you think it would be ok for the cops to do so? If you do think it is the job of the cops to murder those who wish to die shouldnt the cops be directed to the insane aslyims to dispatch all of those emotionally disturbed individuals. Is there any situation where one of these uniformed thugs murders a black person that you disaprove of or will you always try to find a way to justify poping a cap in a black mans ass?

thompsonx -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/26/2014 4:17:05 PM)
ORIGINAL: Kirata I have to admit it does to me too, albeit for different reasons. In any situation where you are told to do something by two armed men who have you in the sights of drawn weapons, the implication cannot escape even the meanest intellect that the alternative is to be shot. Really???Just where did you get your degree in psycology?

thompsonx -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/26/2014 4:18:54 PM)
ORIGINAL: SadistDave Imagine, if you will, someone walking up to you with their arms down, holding the blade of a knife pointed behind them edge down. This individual walks up to you and punches you in the face. Meanwhile, the knife blade follows the arc of his fist, slashing your face. If you have quick enough reflexes to dodge the punch, there's a pretty good chance that you're still going to be cut. If you somehow managed to block his punch it would almost guarantee deep lacerations to your arms or hands. No moron...I have a night stick and the punk is only going to get to the end of my extended nightstick. I also have on body armor and I have another thug just like me to take him from the flank while I am blocking his forward progress. I would have shot the fucker too...! That is only because you are a gutless punkassmotherfucker.

thompsonx -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/26/2014 4:22:03 PM)
ORIGINAL: GoddessManko FR: His hands are in his pockets and he's approaching the officer whether menacingly or not. I think this was a good call on the part of law enforcement, sorry. Can people stop crying foul every time there is an altercation between a civilian and a cop? Actually these threads have been about armed thugs with badges executing black people. Just in case you had not noticed/

Gauge -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/26/2014 4:24:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx I am sure if you had a child who had emotional problems and was confronted by the authorities like this you would hold the same opinion.[8\|] On the other hand I think that two cops with body armor and night sticks should be more than a match for the individual they murdered. I am sure you have zero qualifications to speak for me.

thompsonx -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/26/2014 4:27:13 PM)
ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted The knife was reported as being a "steak knife". I don't know what that means to you, but all of mine are 4-5" long and serrated. Not a huge knife, but not tiny either. Certainly long enough to go through a vest, they're not all that thick. Even a level III-A is only about 10mm. Most are not stab resistant. Your average provides almost no protection from a knife, that's just not how they work. Unless you hit a trauma plate, which isn't something normally worn day to day, you might as well be cutting canvas. If you hold a half dozen canvas shopping bags against your chest and let someone stab you, it'll do about as much good. Kevlar will stop slashing attacks, at least a few, but it won't stop a stabbing one. You are so full of shit. Body armor does stop stabbing and slashing attacks. That is why they wear it. If canvas worked as well as kevlar then they would not spend the bux for the kevlar. And you insisting that someone needs to wait till the knife is raised to be in "danger" is ludicrous. Someone who knows what they're doing, or is just fast, who gets within 3-5 feet will kill you several times over before you know what's happening. Is that because all cops are ignorant of martial arts? Who the fuck do you think you are talking to some five year old? Check out video from a prison sometime, where a guy is getting shanked. You'll usually see a fast blitz and then the person being stabbed rapid-fire, 5-6 times in the first few seconds. You only have to move your arm a few inches forward and back, it's scary how fast that minor motion can be. The cop has his baton which is how many feet longer than that phoquing steak knife?

thompsonx -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/26/2014 4:30:25 PM)
ORIGINAL: Gauge Come on man, really? A quick trip to Amazon and I could present to you more than twenty different steak knives that could stab you and remain intact for as many thrusts as necessary. Is it the best weapon for the job? Nope, but I guarantee that it will perform adequately enough. Saying that a steak knife is incapable of doing serious grievous bodily harm is a little outlandish, even for you. Perhaps before you get both feet in your mouth at the same time you might want try that out. Get your best steak knife and give it a shot. I want to see your face when you try to stuff that knife into a kevlar vest. Actually I want to see your knife hand after you try it.[:D] I will remember to bring a comprssion bandage.

deathtothepixies -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/26/2014 4:32:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD What do you want them to do. wait till they were stabbed? . so do you really think that there were only 2 ways that this confrontation could have been concluded? Either the cops shot the guy multiple times or the cops got stabbed? No other options? I guess the cops were unaware of the car they had just got out of that could have been used? I guess the cops were unaware of the big open empty street behind them that could have been used? I guess the cops were unaware of all the back up which arrived less than 2 minutes after they did which could have been used? I guess the cops were unaware of the non lethal equipment at their disposal which could have been used? Fair enough then, I guess the only option was to get out of the car, draw their guns and kill him. Kill or be killed, black and white. Is that the American way?

thompsonx -> RE: Kajime powells death by cop caught on tape (8/26/2014 4:32:50 PM)
ORIGINAL: Gauge quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx I am sure if you had a child who had emotional problems and was confronted by the authorities like this you would hold the same opinion.[8\|] On the other hand I think that two cops with body armor and night sticks should be more than a match for the individual they murdered. I am sure you have zero qualifications to speak for me. So it would appear that if it were your child your opinion would change? Because if it is not as I sugested then it is the opposite. Glad to know that you value your childs life more than you do a black mans.

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