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RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead - 9/18/2014 5:03:25 AM   
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Did al Qaeda become a "kinder and gentler" group? They didn't have a problem beheading people a decade or so ago.


Beats me. The world's Blessed and Eternal Truths do seem pretty damned flexible these days, that's all I can say.

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RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead - 9/18/2014 6:29:25 AM   
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at least admit you were wrong and it wasnt the fault of your fingers. bloody hell


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RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead - 9/18/2014 6:31:34 AM   
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Umm. . . I do believe that their holy book says it is Kosher to lie to infidels. Is it really worth believing them?

I do believe that your holy book says it is kosher to lie to non believers. Is it really worht believing you?

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RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead - 9/18/2014 6:32:50 AM   
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True bit as everyone should know, vast portions of the Koran was lifted from
Judaism.


Vast portions of the bible were lifted from judaism


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RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead - 9/18/2014 6:39:12 AM   
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Was watching an old History Channel show last night.

Trying to learn history by watching tv is a pretty good guarantee of ignorance.

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RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead - 9/18/2014 3:55:47 PM   
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Wait.. you need to have it explained to you now?
I thought you were the fucking "expert".

Why don't you share some of your deep insight, fuck knows I need a good old belly laugh.

I want you to give your deep and thoughtful interpretation of Jihad, I need the laugh. I have told you what it is and you keep telling me I am wrong, so set me straight. I know, we just have to see their side of things, act accordingly and set up some schools to set things right. You never have explained how you set up those schools without establishing the stability needed for people to go to said schools without getting killed for it.

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RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead - 9/18/2014 4:46:07 PM   
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RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead - 9/18/2014 8:27:08 PM   
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Jihad = Holy War
Jihad rules = there are none
Jihad compromises = only those which can be used to assure victory for the Jihadists
Method of "convincing" conversion = convert or else, ISIS has in some cases been "merciful" and allowed
unbelievers to leave with the clothes on their backs.
Victory or death is not a slogan.
opposing them by peaceful means = weakness
Military strength must be broken before the process of education can begin.
In the long term education (schools and books) will eliminate them but you have to have a stable environment for the schools and books.
I have stated this repeatedly but some on here refuse to read bomb them all kill them all and repeat naive platitudes about schools and books. Not one has told us how they are going to, with no other weapons, create an environment were this is possible.
Now one of you tell us how you are going to run a school when at any moment the students can be shot and the teachers crucified.
Don't tell me but in 1957
Or but fighting them will just make them hate us
They already want to kill us, that counts as hate.

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RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead - 9/18/2014 10:45:16 PM   
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Wait.. you need to have it explained to you now?
I thought you were the fucking "expert".

Why don't you share some of your deep insight, fuck knows I need a good old belly laugh.

I want you to give your deep and thoughtful interpretation of Jihad, I need the laugh. I have told you what it is and you keep telling me I am wrong, so set me straight. I know, we just have to see their side of things, act accordingly and set up some schools to set things right. You never have explained how you set up those schools without establishing the stability needed for people to go to said schools without getting killed for it.


Revert of course.

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RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead - 9/18/2014 11:35:41 PM   
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Wait.. you need to have it explained to you now?
I thought you were the fucking "expert".

Why don't you share some of your deep insight, fuck knows I need a good old belly laugh.

I want you to give your deep and thoughtful interpretation of Jihad, I need the laugh. I have told you what it is and you keep telling me I am wrong, so set me straight. I know, we just have to see their side of things, act accordingly and set up some schools to set things right. You never have explained how you set up those schools without establishing the stability needed for people to go to said schools without getting killed for it.


Revert of course.

I think there is a typo, didn't you mean convert?
Yes, the only way to avoid violence is abject surrender.

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RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead - 9/19/2014 12:58:32 AM   
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Wait.. you need to have it explained to you now?
I thought you were the fucking "expert".

Why don't you share some of your deep insight, fuck knows I need a good old belly laugh.

I want you to give your deep and thoughtful interpretation of Jihad, I need the laugh. I have told you what it is and you keep telling me I am wrong, so set me straight. I know, we just have to see their side of things, act accordingly and set up some schools to set things right. You never have explained how you set up those schools without establishing the stability needed for people to go to said schools without getting killed for it.


Oh god,,, it's your problem with <finger quotes>comprehension</finger quotes> again, isn't it.

You haven't provided a useful definition of Jihad, you have simply (and typically pompously) asserted that you have a better understanding of it than others do.

Pitiful.

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RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead - 9/19/2014 1:09:35 AM   
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And let me tell you Bama, you didn't disappoint.



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RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead - 9/19/2014 2:01:26 AM   
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I wish I could share your optimism ...........

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RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead - 9/19/2014 2:33:49 AM   
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After the "explanation"<<<<<air quotes) that was given a couple of posts up, I have two hopes, bob hope and no hope:)

Crazyml: be careful hon you are gonna do yourself a mischief...

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RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead - 9/19/2014 3:03:11 AM   
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Yes, the only way to avoid violence is abject surrender.


Like the US 'abjectly surrendered' to 15 different S American and C American countries when we completely blew them up and set them to decades of ruin when they hadn't done a freaning thing to us before?

Or are you talking about when the US abjectly surrendered to Vietnam by killing 2 million of them? Or when we 'abjectly surrendered' to every other country we have directly invaded and destroyed by military or other indirect means?

If after all this you are still too stupid to figure out that when you hit somebody with a 32 lb. sledge hammer with out any legitimate provocation and they then happen to find a pebble and smack you in the head with it on their way down, that even token recognition of why they might have thrown the pebble in response to your initial unprovoked attack constitutes 'abject surrender,' it makes me wonder what the heck you got hit in the head with as a child.

If you don't want the violence, then don't commit it in the first place, end of story.

Otherwise, quit your sobbing and moaning about 'surrender' because you made the mistake of hitting the wrong guy and got surprised by the response, which one get's the feeling that you did on at least a few occasions in your youth, and you're still pissed off about it.

You are the most indefatigable chickenshit I've ever seen, I'll say that.


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RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead - 9/19/2014 3:11:23 AM   
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If you don't want the violence, then don't commit it in the first place, end of story.


Until the WABAC machine is developed (why can't we say we're going to develop one and then be able to use it immediately, like in the movies?), we can't "un-commit" the violence in the first place. It's done. It's over. It's been written about in history books (may have even been taught, but might not have been taught correctly).

What do we do, going forward, to help foment peace in the Middle East?


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RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead - 9/19/2014 3:26:10 AM   
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Wait.. you need to have it explained to you now?
I thought you were the fucking "expert".

Why don't you share some of your deep insight, fuck knows I need a good old belly laugh.

I want you to give your deep and thoughtful interpretation of Jihad, I need the laugh. I have told you what it is and you keep telling me I am wrong, so set me straight. I know, we just have to see their side of things, act accordingly and set up some schools to set things right. You never have explained how you set up those schools without establishing the stability needed for people to go to said schools without getting killed for it.


Revert of course.

I think there is a typo, didn't you mean convert?
Yes, the only way to avoid violence is abject surrender.


No, actually I meant revert.

Muslims believe that all people are born with a natural faith in God. According to Islam, children are born with an innate sense of God, which is called the fitrah. Therefore, some people see conversion to Islam as a "return" back to this original, pure faith. For this reason, many Muslims prefer to say that they have "reverted," rather than converted to Islam. A common definition of the word "revert" is to "return to a former condition or belief."

http://islam.about.com/od/converts/g/revert_gt.htm

You can also find numerous pages on FB and the interwebz in general for new reverts to Islam support.

It is actually the "more correct" term.

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RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead - 9/19/2014 3:38:05 AM   
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If you don't want the violence, then don't commit it in the first place, end of story.


Until the WABAC machine is developed (why can't we say we're going to develop one and then be able to use it immediately, like in the movies?), we can't "un-commit" the violence in the first place. It's done. It's over. It's been written about in history books (may have even been taught, but might not have been taught correctly).

What do we do, going forward, to help foment peace in the Middle East?




I don't have a good idea about what to do 'going forward' after such an extent of going backwards that got us to this point. I'm completely out of my league in the situation we have now, and much smarter people than I said they feel the same way.

I understand your point, but at the same time, just as with the financial debacle, the people who kept telling us not to go this route said that if whatever ill-advised venture went forward against their advice, they counseled that neither they nor anyone they knew of would know how to get us out of the near-guaranteed mess resulting. Which is why they (ironically enough) advised against such action.

So since they told you beforehand that if you proceeded against their advice and told you very honestly that they wouldn't know what to do about it afterwards if you proceeded anyway ....

Why are you asking?




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RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead - 9/19/2014 4:01:28 AM   
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As Chairman Mao once said: "Everything under heaven is in utter chaos, the situation is excellent."

It is absolutely astounding how much Chairman Mao and Donald Rumsfeldt and Dick Cheney have in common.




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RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead - 9/19/2014 4:15:16 AM   
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"Jihad" doesn't mean "Holy War". It means "War". "Islamic Jihad" means "Holy War". "Islam" means "Holy".

Therefore, we are involved in a Jihad with a bunch of groups that believe that they are involved in an "Islamic Jihad" with us.

Unfortunately, when you're faced with extremists and extremism, you have to go to extremes. My mind immediately harkens to Hitler and Hirohito. We had to engage in extreme measures.

I'm on the fence about this issue because I don't recall ISIS attacking us but, I also put some stock in "Civus Romanus".







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