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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

well he never said the USA was set up to do that, he said doing it was good and its own reward...

sort of like its not my JOB to help my neighbor when he is stuck in the snow, but it is the neighborly thing to do

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
All the while, this isn't our fight, and there isn't any authority we can rest on to act.

It is our fight. Protecting innocent civilians and preventing the spread of the cancer that is ISIS is good in its own right, and is its own reward.

That's not true at all. The United States of America was not set up to protect innocent civilians of other countries, in other countries. Nor was it set up to prevent the spread of "cancers" in foreign countries.

well he never said the USA was set up to do that, he said doing it was good and its own reward...
sort of like its not my JOB to help my neighbor when he is stuck in the snow, but it is the neighborly thing to do

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

well he never said the USA was set up to do that, he said doing it was good and its own reward...

sort of like its not my JOB to help my neighbor when he is stuck in the snow, but it is the neighborly thing to do

I think you make QUITE AN INTERESTING POINT there BitYakin. It goes THE idea that FOREIGN policy needn't be entirely self serving.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
All the while, this isn't our fight, and there isn't any authority we can rest on to act.

It is our fight. Protecting innocent civilians and preventing the spread of the cancer that is ISIS is good in its own right, and is its own reward.

That's not true at all. The United States of America was not set up to protect innocent civilians of other countries, in other countries. Nor was it set up to prevent the spread of "cancers" in foreign countries.

well he never said the USA was set up to do that, he said doing it was good and its own reward...
sort of like its not my JOB to help my neighbor when he is stuck in the snow, but it is the neighborly thing to do

You sorta missed the "It is our fight" comment first. That states that it is the US's job to take care of the rest of the world.

The problem we run into is when what we think is "good," isn't always agreed with by those who we think we're helping.

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin
didn't miss it at all...
I also didn't miss that the responder said we weren't "SET UP" which I took to mean part of the original US mission goal, AKA it wasn't what the founding fathers had in mind...

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lets change the analogy a little, its not my JOB, to protect my neighbors from robbers and murders and rapists, but its STILL the RIGHT and CORRECT thing to do...
also lets look at it from this perspective, if I see someone breaking into my neighbors house and do/say nothing, tomorrow it just might be MY HOUSE, that kind of makes it MY FIGHT.

Your analogy does not really apply. Do you have the right to damage your neighbor's property to stop the robbers, murderers and rapists? You can help your neighbor. You can even enter into a pact with your neighbor to band together to protect each other. The only thing is, all authorities come from the individual and are granted to government. You have all the authority you need to make choices for yourself. The US Government has to have some sort of granted authority from US Citizens to do what it does.

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not sure where you stand on Obamacare, I seem to think you were against it...
but a lot of people are for it on the premise of preventative medicine is a good thing. well why wouldn't we want to treat ISIS like a cancer and try to treat it BEFORE it reaches our major organs. and I am sorry it seems to be a VERY AGRESSIVE cancer, and may take some extreme treatments...

Thank God we have Obamacare! Now, we can practice preventive medicine rather than reactive medicine! Too bad we couldn't do that before Obamacare.

What you are advocating is allowing the US Government to act in any way it wants so long as it can rationalize it. Should we bomb China because at some point in time, their economic might might damage our economy and wreck our way of life?


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Likening war to medicine -- or Western intervention in the Middle East to "preventative care" -- really does ignore history. History has seen all Jihadist movements, of which there have been several, collapse under their own dysfunction.
Our first go around at Preemptive war begot chaos, sectarian hatreds, massive refugee populations, and an explosion of terrorism in the region.
Why is it Republicans are all about self sufficiency here at home, but big-brother, military interventions abroad?
I am concerned that US efforts in the region will simply beget yet another group of "terrorists." That might be nirvana for you, netting you another reason for endless war.

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The US should be a reluctant warrior as should US citizens. Did our meddling in IRAN lead to Western Style democracy and freedoms?

Thomas Friedman points out that by requiring the locals to gather the ground forces -- maybe the competing, warring, unable-to-get-along factions will learn how to compromise, get along, and live together.

I also don't get the sense that your political cues come from AM radio and Fox News. They've been fanning this issue with both hands, and it's why Sanity and theHeretic are so worked up.