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ORIGINAL: Edvynn

Good thing there is no question whatsoever who's sock you are.

But I don't 'sock' or whatever else for anybody, and never have.

Unlike you.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

How in the name of all the gods did France pull anybody into Indo-China ? It was the Americans that taught, trained and armed the Viet-Minh in the first place and France was long out of Indo-China before the first 'advisers' showed their heads. America went into that country on the 'Reds-under-the-bed' scare that was rattling around the western world at that time (somebody DID mention the 'Domino Theory' here and I believe that was some American hawk that theorised on that load of bollocks). Much as I dislike France, please don't blame them for something they really had sweet F.A. to do with.

US advisers began arriving in 1950 (to help France) and it was STILL French-Indochina.

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There is actually a rather famous book AND movie (with Mel Gibson) that goes over this. "We Were Soldiers Once. . . And Young"

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I was "Edvynn before and I'm "Edvynn" now, but with only about 16 posts rather than 2,000 or whatever it was before.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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I was "Edvynn before and I'm "Edvynn" now, but with only about 16 posts rather than 2,000 or whatever it was before.

Hang on, weren't you 'Edwynn' before, not 'Edvynn'? Maybe that's the reason for the (apparent) mysterious change on your profile.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

How in the name of all the gods did France pull anybody into Indo-China ? It was the Americans that taught, trained and armed the Viet-Minh in the first place and France was long out of Indo-China before the first 'advisers' showed their heads. America went into that country on the 'Reds-under-the-bed' scare that was rattling around the western world at that time (somebody DID mention the 'Domino Theory' here and I believe that was some American hawk that theorised on that load of bollocks). Much as I dislike France, please don't blame them for something they really had sweet F.A. to do with.

US advisers began arriving in 1950 (to help France) and it was STILL French-Indochina.

Edited to add:

There is actually a rather famous book AND movie (with Mel Gibson) that goes over this. "We Were Soldiers Once. . . And Young"

That took place in the 60's, it is the only Vietnam movie that doesn't infuriate me.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Edvynn


Good thing there is no question whatsoever who's sock you are.

But I don't 'sock' or whatever else for anybody, and never have.

Unlike you.

In any case, I consider "We Were Soldiers" to be a fairy tale not because the events as the movie played it were a fiction, but it's a fairy tale as in presenting itself as being representative of the entire 15 year misadventure.

And I think "Apocalypse" sucked, and I think both Oliver Stone Vietnam movies sucked, badly, and I think "Hambutger Hill" and "Full Metal Jacket" sucked, and I think "Catch 22" sucked (I tried to like it, I like Alan Arkin, but it just sucked), and did I mention "The Deer Hunter"? completely sucked, on every level.

except that none of that means much since all those bazillion WWII movies sucked even ten times worse.

I hope you're getting the point, here.

To either glorify or to demonize all these tragedies for sake of (or as fodder for) salable drama in the entertainment industry is something I find disgusting in the extreme.

No it represented one incident.
And it was the only Vietnam movie which treated the American soldier with any respect.
It treated the VC as not monsters but as enemy soldiers.
If you came out disliking any one it was the brass on both sides.
And the Lt who got his platoon cut off.
I doubt that you liked Gettysburg, Gods an Generals, A Bridge to Far, or the Lost Battalion. All of which were good movies and as historically accurate as you can hope for from Hollywood.
Are there any historical dramas that you like?
The original All the Kings Men was a good fictionalization of Huey Long, but it is that boring history stuff again.

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And the reason I had suspected him of being a sock, now it is clearer. Still doesn't explain what happened but it has been corrected.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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And the reason I had suspected him of being a sock, now it is clearer. Still doesn't explain what happened but it has been corrected.

My guess is that long ago, he made two profiles, one called 'Edwynn' and one called 'Edvynn'. He liked Edwynn better, so used that one. Then, recently, he inadvertently went back to Edvynn, thinking it was Edwynn.

Whatever. 'Edvynn' is too close to 'Edwynn' for it to make sense as a deliberate sock.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

How in the name of all the gods did France pull anybody into Indo-China ? It was the Americans that taught, trained and armed the Viet-Minh in the first place and France was long out of Indo-China before the first 'advisers' showed their heads. America went into that country on the 'Reds-under-the-bed' scare that was rattling around the western world at that time (somebody DID mention the 'Domino Theory' here and I believe that was some American hawk that theorised on that load of bollocks). Much as I dislike France, please don't blame them for something they really had sweet F.A. to do with.

US advisers began arriving in 1950 (to help France) and it was STILL French-Indochina.

Edited to add:

There is actually a rather famous book AND movie (with Mel Gibson) that goes over this. "We Were Soldiers Once. . . And Young"

That took place in the 60's, it is the only Vietnam movie that doesn't infuriate me.

Yeah, but it has some stuff where Mel Gibson is reading up on the history of the area.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Edvynn


Good thing there is no question whatsoever who's sock you are.

But I don't 'sock' or whatever else for anybody, and never have.

Unlike you.

In any case, I consider "We Were Soldiers" to be a fairy tale not because the events as the movie played it were a fiction, but it's a fairy tale as in presenting itself as being representative of the entire 15 year misadventure.

And I think "Apocalypse" sucked, and I think both Oliver Stone Vietnam movies sucked, badly, and I think "Hambutger Hill" and "Full Metal Jacket" sucked, and I think "Catch 22" sucked (I tried to like it, I like Alan Arkin, but it just sucked), and did I mention "The Deer Hunter"? completely sucked, on every level.

except that none of that means much since all those bazillion WWII movies sucked even ten times worse.

I hope you're getting the point, here.

To either glorify or to demonize all these tragedies for sake of (or as fodder for) salable drama in the entertainment industry is something I find disgusting in the extreme.

No it represented one incident.
And it was the only Vietnam movie which treated the American soldier with any respect.
It treated the VC as not monsters but as enemy soldiers.
If you came out disliking any one it was the brass on both sides.
And the Lt who got his platoon cut off.
I doubt that you liked Gettysburg, Gods an Generals, A Bridge to Far, or the Lost Battalion. All of which were good movies and as historically accurate as you can hope for from Hollywood.
Are there any historical dramas that you like?
The original All the Kings Men was a good fictionalization of Huey Long, but it is that boring history stuff again.

I always thought that "Zulu" was pretty good. And the re-creation of the Battle of Rorke'S Drift that S.M. Stirling did in his Island in the Sea of Time series.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

How in the name of all the gods did France pull anybody into Indo-China ? It was the Americans that taught, trained and armed the Viet-Minh in the first place and France was long out of Indo-China before the first 'advisers' showed their heads. America went into that country on the 'Reds-under-the-bed' scare that was rattling around the western world at that time (somebody DID mention the 'Domino Theory' here and I believe that was some American hawk that theorised on that load of bollocks). Much as I dislike France, please don't blame them for something they really had sweet F.A. to do with.

US advisers began arriving in 1950 (to help France) and it was STILL French-Indochina.

Edited to add:

There is actually a rather famous book AND movie (with Mel Gibson) that goes over this. "We Were Soldiers Once. . . And Young"

That took place in the 60's, it is the only Vietnam movie that doesn't infuriate me.

Yeah, but it has some stuff where Mel Gibson is reading up on the history of the area.

And it begins with a massacre of French troops in the same valley.

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ORIGINAL: Edvynn


What does have bearing on the matter is that terrorist recruitment was at an all time low after 9/11/01 and there was more Arab and ME sympathy to the US than there ever was before.


So of course the obvious thing to do for national security was to invade a ME country and thereby make terrorist recruitment skyrocket and increase regional political advantage of the most radical factions all across the region.

Makes sense, no?

OK, what were you saying about ISIS then?

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ORIGINAL: Edvynn


What does have bearing on the matter is that terrorist recruitment was at an all time low after 9/11/01 and there was more Arab and ME sympathy to the US than there ever was before.


So of course the obvious thing to do for national security was to invade a ME country and thereby make terrorist recruitment skyrocket and increase regional political advantage of the most radical factions all across the region.

Makes sense, no?

OK, what were you saying about ISIS then?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Hence Arabs dancing in the streets all over the ME in celebration of the 9/11 attacks call when you return to earth.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Hence Arabs dancing in the streets all over the ME in celebration of the 9/11 attacks call when you return to earth.

Forget the Middle East. In South Brunswick, NJ, a bunch of them gathered at the mosque and had a little hootenanny and wondered why a few of them got their asses beat by some South Jersey Redneck types.





Because when someone begs for something it is rude not to give it to them?

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