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Moderator3 -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/15/2014 9:20:13 AM)
Thank you, this thread has more topic than attacks.

PeonForHer -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/15/2014 9:25:47 AM)
quote: Sydney people, concerned at a possible backlash against our Muslim community have started a hashtag, #illridewithyou offering to ride on public transport with Muslims as an act of public solidarity. The hashtag went viral in a few hours. That's trending on Facebook right now. It's pretty damned good to see, I must say.

Sanity -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/15/2014 11:17:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Latest report I have seen says three of the hostages escaped. this latest one http://news.yahoo.com/major-police-operation-unfolding-sydney-235744145.html says 2 more have gotten away. I just hope the rest are ok also. Appears as though the "gunman" has earned his mansions full of virgins

mnottertail -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/15/2014 11:26:11 AM)
LOL. The Mail. Lol.

kdsub -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/15/2014 11:27:47 AM)
Isn’t it great how the Imam’s rushed to the scene to try and talk this disgrace to Islam to give up. You would think instead of trying to help innocents by talking him out they would only be worried about repercussions. Bravo for them. Butch

MrRodgers -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/15/2014 12:45:33 PM)
They are probably just seeking a tax cut. (then they could use the money to buy more Australian treasury bonds that will surely result)

Politesub53 -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/15/2014 3:53:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom It's the Religion of Peace again. There is a flag with Arabic writing. Likely it's not the neo-Gandhi movement. And with Australia's anti-gun laws, no one had any way to stop him. 13 people, perhaps more, sitting ducks. Of course, the Islamic terrorist has a gun. Law doesn't matter to him. Someone always posts crap like this. If you had a point, and you dont, someone would have been able to stop the latest mass shooting in Pennsylvania.

Politesub53 -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/15/2014 4:12:50 PM)
Gun laws STOP gun deaths. Just incase anyone doubts me, read the figures on gun death reduction since the laws were brought in. http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2012/12/16/gun_control_after_connecticut_shooting_could_australia_s_laws_provide_a.html

Greta75 -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/15/2014 9:36:12 PM)
Idiot is an Iranian asylum seeker for Australia. Has multiple previous records of sexual assault on women and accomplice in murder. What the hell is a man like that allowed running free? Should have just ship him back to Iran the moment he commited all these crimes in Australia. Thanks to him, 3 innocent people died. Idiot! Good thing his dead! Although his a lone wolf terrorist, but I have no doubt his actions were driven by his religion of peace in the belief of reaching heaven, otherwise, why get the hostages to flash a flag that says that there is no god but allah. Like WTF even publicize any Muslim messages as part of his master plan? He chose a cafe facing a major TV station building, just to flash a damn Muslim slogan for the world to see. Tells me that, the Quran literally translation is dangerous! Not everybody is gonna take proper Islam classes to learn the non-violent translations. Good thing they took his kids away from him, hope the kids don't get radicalise.

BamaD -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/15/2014 9:40:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Idiot is an Iranian asylum seeker for Australia. Has multiple previous records of sexual assault on women and accomplice in murder. What the hell is a man like that allowed running free? Should have just ship him back to Iran the moment he commited all these crimes in Australia. Thanks to him, 3 innocent people died. Idiot! Good thing his dead! Although his a lone wolf terrorist, but I have no doubt his actions were driven by his religion of peace in the belief of reaching heaven. I thought he was one of the 3 who died, or has there been another death from among the hostages? Yes he should have been deported. I also agree that "lone wolf" is still terrorism, and can (and in this case seems to have) have it's roots in the beliefs of a group like ISIS.

Greta75 -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/15/2014 9:42:50 PM)
I recently learnt from Muslims that ISIS stands for Israel Internal Security, and that we were all fooled into thinking jews are muslims, so they believe ISIS is a Jewish group trying to invade Islamic countries. And the western media is completely fooled and report them as a Muslim group. And they truly from the bottom of heart believe that ISIS is a jewish movement that they are so frustrated and angry the media is not reporting accurately and blaming ISIS on muslims.

BamaD -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/15/2014 9:44:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I recently learnt from Muslims that ISIS stands for Israel Internal Security, and that we were all fooled into thinking jews are muslims, so they believe ISIS is a Jewish group trying to invade Islamic countries. And the western media is completely fooled and report them as a Muslim group. And they truly from the bottom of heart believe that ISIS is a jewish movement that they are so frustrated and angry the media is not reporting accurately and blaming ISIS on muslims. lol

Greta75 -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/15/2014 9:50:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD lol Man they were quite serious about this and really mention alot of examples that apparently "prove" ISIS are jewish and not muslims. But anyway, you attend any Muslim Rally, it's always about how it's the Jew to be blamed for like everything bad that is happening to them and all the misunderstanding the world is having about them. I just keep rolling my eyes. Interesting thing is, I always learn from local Muslims how evil jewish people are, but I have never met jewish person in my life before yet, hehe, they just don't exist here. They are this like mythical evil race of people.

Dvr22999874 -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/15/2014 9:53:25 PM)
yes, the flag had Islamic writing on it. It said "There is one God and that is Allah and Mohammed is his prophet" or something along those lines...........it had nothing to do with ISIS. I doubt the gunman did either. He was a raving nutter out for his 10 minutes of fame. He certainly got that. Now listen to the young over-the-top Islamic rat-bags proclaiming he was a martyr murdered by the western devils. He was a lone asshole with a pile of shit for a brain

Greta75 -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/15/2014 9:57:27 PM)
Lone wolves can technically cause more damage than ISIS, because they all operate on their own agenda and plan their own individual "terrorism plot". Like one lone wolf with a gun, and 17 hostages is good enough to cause sydney to evacuate all major buildings and shut down jewish schools. All we need is one raving lunatic claiming that he planted bombs everywhere while holding hostages in a central area, so much disruption for security measures need to be done to ascertain if his threats are real. Imagine if you got a few individuals, every here and there, doing this for fun. And individual operators cannot be detected, how the hell do you monitor and find individual ppl plotting these stuffs. Man, the religion of peace, I'll just have to live with it and live in the unpeaceful world.

Greta75 -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/15/2014 10:05:57 PM)
I just hope this lone wolf did not inspire more lone wolves around the world to surface. Because other lone wolves would be definitely seeing him as their hero who has made it to heaven!

Dvr22999874 -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/15/2014 10:07:52 PM)
We're back to fighting a war where the other side doesn't wear a uniform, half of them ( or more) are on your side anyway and the rules went out the window before we even realised there WAS a window OR a rule book. Sounds like Indo-Chine, Viet-Nam, Algerie and a whole lot of other shit-fights before and since

tweakabelle -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/16/2014 2:07:24 AM)
FR It is sad to see so many people trying to use this unfortunate situation to push their own agendas. On the basis of information currently available, it would be reckless to associate this incident with Australia’s gun laws, our appalling asylum seeker laws and policies, or current Middle Eastern policies (reprehensible as they are). The picture emerging is that of one deranged individual, with a long and troubled history of violence and sexual predation, acting alone for motives that are yet to be identified accurately or reliably. Apart from the efforts at window dressing - which appear to be limited to putting a black flag with a common Muslim prayer written on it - there are few grounds for claiming that the incident is terrorism-related, though this may change as further information becomes available. If there is a terrorism related aspect to this incident, then it has surely backfired against the terrorists. Far from driving a wedge between Australian Muslims and the rest of us, Sydney’s population has reacted by embracing our Muslim brothers and sisters closer, re-asserting our multicultural identity and firmly rejecting the voices of hate and violence no matter where they may originate. The Islamic community has spoken with one voice to loudly and unequivocally denounce the perpetrator of this incident. From a terrorist POV this is surely the worst possible outcome. Being a Sydneysider, I am of course quite biased but I do believe that our reaction to this incident offers an example of how to respond to terrorist attacks that the world could do well to study and learn from. Rather than attacking and further marginalising minority groups and subcultures, we chose to stand by our Muslim community, to protect it against our own home-grown bigots and to unite and jointly stand against the forces of hate and bigotry. This thread might do well to focus on this aspect of the incident rather than repeating the same old tired clichés of confrontation or the same old tired sectarian agendas which have been shown over and over again to play into the terrorists’ hands.

BamaD -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/16/2014 2:22:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Lone wolves can technically cause more damage than ISIS, because they all operate on their own agenda and plan their own individual "terrorism plot". Like one lone wolf with a gun, and 17 hostages is good enough to cause sydney to evacuate all major buildings and shut down jewish schools. All we need is one raving lunatic claiming that he planted bombs everywhere while holding hostages in a central area, so much disruption for security measures need to be done to ascertain if his threats are real. Imagine if you got a few individuals, every here and there, doing this for fun. And individual operators cannot be detected, how the hell do you monitor and find individual ppl plotting these stuffs. Man, the religion of peace, I'll just have to live with it and live in the unpeaceful world. And ISIS advises supporters to do the "lone wolf" attacks as the is bo communication to intercept.

BamaD -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/16/2014 2:24:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle FR It is sad to see so many people trying to use this unfortunate situation to push their own agendas. On the basis of information currently available, it would be reckless to associate this incident with Australia’s gun laws, our appalling asylum seeker laws and policies, or current Middle Eastern policies (reprehensible as they are). The picture emerging is that of one deranged individual, with a long and troubled history of violence and sexual predation, acting alone for motives that are yet to be identified accurately or reliably. Apart from the efforts at window dressing - which appear to be limited to putting a black flag with a common Muslim prayer written on it - there are few grounds for claiming that the incident is terrorism-related, though this may change as further information becomes available. If there is a terrorism related aspect to this incident, then it has surely backfired against the terrorists. Far from driving a wedge between Australian Muslims and the rest of us, Sydney’s population has reacted by embracing our Muslim brothers and sisters closer, re-asserting our multicultural identity and firmly rejecting the voices of hate and violence no matter where they may originate. The Islamic community has spoken with one voice to loudly and unequivocally denounce the perpetrator of this incident. From a terrorist POV this is surely the worst possible outcome. Being a Sydneysider, I am of course quite biased but I do believe that our reaction to this incident offers an example of how to respond to terrorist attacks that the world could do well to study and learn from. Rather than attacking and further marginalising minority groups and subcultures, we chose to stand by our Muslim community, to protect it against our own home-grown bigots and to unite and jointly stand against the forces of hate and bigotry. This thread might do well to focus on this aspect of the incident rather than repeating the same old tired clichés of confrontation or the same old tired sectarian agendas which have been shown over and over again to play into the terrorists’ hands. right off the bat I stated that gun laws were not relevant to terrorism.

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