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RE: The French Learn Their Lesson - 2/1/2015 11:02:45 PM   
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What percent does it take to be an effective force?


Well, what would 'effective' mean, for you? That's the key question.


No. You wanted to know why not every Muslim blows shit up and kills people. Because they do not have to. You only need a percent of the group doing so to be effective. The rest fill support roles.

Right now, terror is an effective tactic. Much more effective against a Western army than some other tactics.

Edited to add: I think the reaction to Jordan's ultimatum to ISIS shall be instructive.

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RE: The French Learn Their Lesson - 2/2/2015 12:35:06 AM   
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If you wish to make the argument that all or the majority or even a significant minority of Muslims are engaged in this war on the West, you need to come up with a convincing expalanation for the localised nature of the conflict.

By 'localised' I mean that there are vast areas of the Muslim world that have no connection with this 'war on the West' . These countries include the two most populous Muslim countries - Indonesia and Bangla Desh. If there is a genuine war on the West being carried out by Muslims, why are the two most populous Muslim countries uninvolved? In fact the conflict seems be largely confined to the Muslim countries of the Middle East and sections of North and West Africa, which points to reasons other than religion driving the conflict.

In fact there were tiny Islamist factions operating in Indonesia and Malaysia (Jerimyah Islam or JI) about a decade ago, but JI was ruthlessly suppressed with all of their leaders either dead or imprisoned and the cadre decimated, demoralised, disorganised and leaderless. They ceased to be effective players years ago. The only significant attack on the West they organised was the Bali bombing of 2003, an action that cost those who carried it out their lives as Indonesia executed them.

Is it a coincidence that Indonesia and Malaysia are successful democracies? (Which incidentally disproves the claim that Islam and democracy are incompatible.)

So you need to explain not only why these important Muslim countries are uninvolved but also why the Muslim leaders of these countries suppressed the tiny Islamist factions that used to operate in those lands. If there is a religious obligation on all Muslims to attack the infidel West, then the political classes in Indonesia and Malaysia were clearly acting in an un-Islamic fashion to suppress the tiny bands of Islamists that tried to provoke Islamist uprisings against their 'decadent' rule. You need to explain this for your premise to withstand scrutiny.

It seems to me that it is just about impossible to reconcile these facts with the claim that all/most Muslims are engaged or support a war against the West, or are sympathetic to Islamist militants or the claim that Muslims have a religious obligation to attack the West. But please don't let that stop you. I'm looking forward to hearing whatever explanation you may have.

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RE: The French Learn Their Lesson - 2/2/2015 2:42:17 AM   
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It is a curious thing....

The number of conservatives in the United States that attack and blame Muslims for 9/11/01. That Muslims in other nations have no thought in their mind about 9/11/01 only seems to incite conservatives even more.

Yet, when I say I blame conservatives for 4/19/95, not one of them seems to understand my frustration. To them, that date means nothing. Why should they have to apologize for a date they didn't have anything to do with? Even when I mention what happened on that date (look it up), they immediately distance themselves from it. They state they are not terrorists nor support the actions of those that did such terrorism on that date. An that is the 'amusing' part. For when Muslims say the same level of answers about 9/11/01, conservatives don't accept it as genuine, honest, or truthful. Yet, they expect if not demand others in this nation (i.e. moderates and liberals) to accept their viewpoint without question or accusation. In the end, they are just hypocrites.....

On 9/11/01, people around the world were horrified of the events that took place in New York City, Washington, D.C. and a small town in Pennsylvania. Each of the major and many smaller, express sorrow, sadness, and prayer towards Americans. People in each country were viably stunned. Such things could happen in other nations....but not....the United States. At that time, many people viewed America as a good nation. Its people, good as well. There are always 'bad apples' in every nation; but in America, people were treated better than other nations. Unfortunately, that would soon change with the Bush Administration. This president would wage a war into a land unconnected by the acts, and conduct great acts of torture to which he and those around him, were never held accountable. The nation took a staggering lost of good fortune and reputation in those years after 9/11/01

Even when I've brought up the comparison between 9/11/01 with conservatives towards Muslims, and 4/19/95 with Americans towards conservatives; not one conservative on this forum has....ever....apologized. Their ideology, their viewpoints, their hatreds, their fears brought about the events that would lead up to 4/19/95. Not one of them apologizing to the level they demand Muslims should do to them. The point is, the grand majority of conservatives were just as shocked by events surrounding 4/19/95 as anyone else in the nation. The blame they do owe is much smaller than that they demand towards Muslims. Maybe liberals and moderates are just a forgiving lot.....

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RE: The French Learn Their Lesson - 2/2/2015 3:54:13 AM   
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You wanted to know why not every Muslim blows shit up and kills people. Because they do not have to. You only need a percent of the group doing so to be effective. The rest fill support roles.


"The rest just fill support roles"?

I'm sorry, but that's just senseless, Aylee.

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RE: The French Learn Their Lesson - 2/2/2015 4:36:43 AM   
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It's been like that lately.....I think it's the pool water

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RE: The French Learn Their Lesson - 2/2/2015 9:21:38 AM   
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quote:

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You wanted to know why not every Muslim blows shit up and kills people. Because they do not have to. You only need a percent of the group doing so to be effective. The rest fill support roles.


"The rest just fill support roles"?

I'm sorry, but that's just senseless, Aylee.


What is the most important consideration in war/battles? Logistics. Yes, you have the folks that actually fight. Then you have everyone else. Those that grow food, make cloth, pay taxes, pump fuel, maintain roads, train soldiers, teach reading and math, comfort the grieving. . . and the list goes on.

How many people does it take to keep one soldier in the field? In the feudal days wasn't it something like 50 peasants to one mounted knight? And that did not count women and children, I believe.

Logistics is only senseless if you have never cracked a book with Clausevitz, Sun Tzu, Alexander, and so forth or have studiously avoided any mention of them.

"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics…"
- Sun Tzu

"There is nothing more common than to find considerations of supply affecting the strategic lines of a campaign and a war."
- Carl von Clausevitz

"My logisticians are a humorless lot ... they know if my campaign fails, they are the first ones I will slay."
- Alexander

Amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics.


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RE: The French Learn Their Lesson - 2/2/2015 9:27:36 AM   
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Well then, in this case, they have 400,000 support personnel to every radical group member.

The US has 1,373,183 active personnel. So by your "shadow" theory, the US would need additional "support" of 549 billion people.

Since the US population is 316 million, and the world population is 7 billion, we're about 548.7 billion people short.


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RE: The French Learn Their Lesson - 2/2/2015 9:31:34 AM   
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joe there is a difference... the bombers in Oklahoma were brought to justice... can you say that for all the bombers involved with 9/11?

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RE: The French Learn Their Lesson - 2/2/2015 9:43:39 AM   
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joe there is a difference... the bombers in Oklahoma were brought to justice... can you say that for all the bombers involved with 9/11?

Butch

You mean the dead ones?


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RE: The French Learn Their Lesson - 2/2/2015 9:44:28 AM   
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yeah didnt they kinda die in the plane "crashes"

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RE: The French Learn Their Lesson - 2/2/2015 9:53:45 AM   
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Yep they should be dead twice...with pig guts and all. But in less i am mistaken there is at least one main planner still kicking

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RE: The French Learn Their Lesson - 2/2/2015 10:09:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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You wanted to know why not every Muslim blows shit up and kills people. Because they do not have to. You only need a percent of the group doing so to be effective. The rest fill support roles.


"The rest just fill support roles"?

I'm sorry, but that's just senseless, Aylee.


What is the most important consideration in war/battles? Logistics. Yes, you have the folks that actually fight. Then you have everyone else. Those that grow food, make cloth, pay taxes, pump fuel, maintain roads, train soldiers, teach reading and math, comfort the grieving. . . and the list goes on.

How many people does it take to keep one soldier in the field? In the feudal days wasn't it something like 50 peasants to one mounted knight? And that did not count women and children, I believe.

Logistics is only senseless if you have never cracked a book with Clausevitz, Sun Tzu, Alexander, and so forth or have studiously avoided any mention of them.

"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics…"
- Sun Tzu

"There is nothing more common than to find considerations of supply affecting the strategic lines of a campaign and a war."
- Carl von Clausevitz

"My logisticians are a humorless lot ... they know if my campaign fails, they are the first ones I will slay."
- Alexander

Amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics.


Of course with terrorists being....terrorists none of your logistics bullshit means diddly.
The logistical support needed for a suicide bomber I daresay is quite different than that needed to field a standing army....which is pretty much what is being referred to in all of your quotes.
Reducing the above post to nothing more than another "lets ban the pools" posting
You really do have an affinity for apples and oranges,don't you ?

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RE: The French Learn Their Lesson - 2/2/2015 10:20:40 AM   
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WE gotta nuke em, turn the ME and all muslim countries into glass, every last one of em Mike, its the only way.....oh except the ones that run the oil refineries....


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RE: The French Learn Their Lesson - 2/2/2015 10:27:47 AM   
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nah... we don't need their Muslim oil anymore... nuke'em all...better yet... become oil independent with green technology then laugh and see if they can eat their oil.

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RE: The French Learn Their Lesson - 2/2/2015 10:38:47 AM   
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Well then, we're gonna have to bomb:

Table
Country/Region[1] Muslim population
2010 Pew Report[1] Muslim percentage (%) of total population
2010 Pew Report[1] Percentage (%) of World Muslim population
2010 Pew Report[1] Muslim population
Other sources Muslim percentage (%)
Other sources
Afghanistan Afghanistan 29,047,000 99.8 1.8
Albania Albania 2,601,000 82.1 0.2 1,587,608 (official census)[16] 38.8%[17][18] 56.7%[16]
Algeria Algeria 34,780,000 98.2 2.1
American Samoa American Samoa < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Andorra Andorra 1,000 1.1 < 0.1
Angola Angola 195,000 1.0 < 0.1
Anguilla Anguilla < 1,000 0.3 < 0.1
Antigua and Barbuda Antigua and Barbuda < 1,000 0.6 < 0.1
Argentina Argentina 1,000,000 2.5 0.1
Armenia Armenia 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Aruba Aruba < 1,000 0.4 < 0.1
Australia Australia 399,000 1.9 < 0.1 476,291 (official census)[19] 2.2%[19]
Austria Austria 475,000 5.7 < 0.1 400-500,000[20] ~6.0%[21]
Azerbaijan Azerbaijan 8,795,000 98.4 0.5
The Bahamas Bahamas < 1,000 0.1 < 0.1
Bahrain Bahrain 655,000 81.2 < 0.1 866,888 (official census)[22] 70.2%[22]
Bangladesh Bangladesh 148,607,000 90.4 9.2
Barbados Barbados 2,000 0.9 < 0.1
Belarus Belarus 19,000 0.2 < 0.1
Belgium Belgium 638,000 6.0 < 0.1 628,751[23] 6.0%[23]
Belize Belize < 1,000 0.1 < 0.1
Benin Benin 2,259,000 24.5 0.1
Bermuda Bermuda < 1,000 0.8 < 0.1
Bhutan Bhutan 7,000 1.0 < 0.1
Bolivia Bolivia 2,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Bosnia and Herzegovina Bosnia-Herzegovina 1,564,000 41.6 0.1 45%[24]
Botswana Botswana 8,000 0.4 < 0.1
Brazil Brazil 204,000 0.1 < 0.1 35,167 (official census)[25]
British Virgin Islands British Virgin Islands < 1,000 1.2 < 0.1
Brunei Brunei 211,000 51.9 < 0.1 67%[26]
Bulgaria Bulgaria 1,002,000 13.4 0.1 577,139 (official census)[27] 10%[27]
Burkina Faso Burkina Faso 9,600,000 58.9 0.6 60.5%[28]
Burma Burma (Myanmar) 1,900,000 3.8 0.1
Burundi Burundi 184,000 2.2 < 0.1
Cambodia Cambodia 240,000 1.6 < 0.1
Cameroon Cameroon 3,598,000 18.0 0.2 20.9%[29]
Canada Canada 940,000 2.8 0.1 1,053,945 (official census)[30] 1.9%,[31] 3.2%[30]
Cape Verde Cape Verde < 1,000 0.1 < 0.1
Cayman Islands Cayman Islands < 1,000 0.2 < 0.1
Central African Republic Central African Republic 403,000 8.9 < 0.1 15%[32][33]
Chad Chad 6,404,000 55.7 0.4
Chile Chile 4,000 < 0.1 < 0.1 2,894 (official census)[34] 0.03% (over 15+ pop.)[34]
China China 23,308,000 1.8 1.4 50,000,000[35]
Colombia Colombia 14,000 < 0.1 < 0.1 40,000 to 80,000[36]
Comoros Comoros 679,000 98.3 < 0.1
Democratic Republic of the Congo Congo 969,000 1.4 0.1
Cook Islands Cook Islands < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Costa Rica Costa Rica < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Croatia Croatia 56,000 1.3 < 0.1
Cuba Cuba 10,000 0.1 < 0.1
Cyprus Cyprus 200,000 22.7 < 0.1
Czech Republic Czech Republic 4,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Denmark Denmark 226,000 4.1 < 0.1 210,000[37] 3.7%[37]
Djibouti Djibouti 853,000 97.0 0.1
Dominica Dominica < 1,000 0.2 < 0.1
Dominican Republic Dominican Republic 2,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Ecuador Ecuador 2,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Egypt Egypt 80,024,000 94.7 4.9 91%[38]
El Salvador El Salvador 2,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Equatorial Guinea Equatorial Guinea 28,000 4.1 < 0.1
Eritrea Eritrea 1,909,000 36.5 0.1 50%[39]
Estonia Estonia 2,000 0.1 < 0.1 1,400[40]
Ethiopia Ethiopia 28,721,000 33.8 1.8 25,037,646[41] 34%
Faroe Islands Faeroe Islands < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Falkland Islands Falkland Islands < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Federated States of Micronesia Federated States of Micronesia < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Fiji Fiji 54,000 6.3 < 0.1
Finland Finland 42,000 0.8 < 0.1
France France 4,704,000 7.5 0.3 8%-10%[42]
French Guiana French Guiana 2,000 0.9 < 0.1
French Polynesia French Polynesia < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Gabon Gabon 145,000 9.7 < 0.1
The Gambia Gambia 1,669,000 95.3 0.1
Georgia (country) Georgia 442,000 10.5 < 0.1
Germany Germany 4,119,000 5.0 0.3 4,300,000[43] 5,4%[43]
Ghana Ghana 3,906,000 16.1 0.2
Gibraltar Gibraltar 1,000 4.0 < 0.1
Greece Greece 527,000 4.7 < 0.1
Greenland Greenland < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Grenada Grenada < 1,000 0.3 < 0.1
Guadeloupe Guadeloupe 2,000 0.4 < 0.1
Guam Guam < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Guatemala Guatemala 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Guinea Guinea 8,693,000 84.2 0.5
Guinea-Bissau Guinea Bissau 705,000 42.8 < 0.1 50%[44]
Guyana Guyana 55,000 7.2 < 0.1
Haiti Haiti 2,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Honduras Honduras 11,000 0.1 < 0.1
Hong Kong Hong Kong 91,000 1.3 < 0.1
Hungary Hungary 25,000 0.3 < 0.1 5,579 (official census)[45]
Iceland Iceland < 1,000 0.1 < 0.1 770[46] 0.24%[46]
India India 177,286,000 14.6 10.9
Indonesia Indonesia 204,847,000 88.1 12.7
Iran Iran 74,819,000 99.7 4.6
Iraq Iraq 31,108,000 98.9 1.9
Republic of Ireland Ireland 43,000 0.9 < 0.1
Isle of Man Isle of Man < 1,000 0.2 < 0.1
Israel Israel 1,287,000 17.7 0.1
Italy Italy 1,583,000 2.6 0.1 825,000[21] 1.4%[21]
Ivory Coast Ivory Coast 7,960,000 36.9 0.5 40%[47][48][49]
Jamaica Jamaica 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Japan Japan 185,000 0.1 < 0.1
Jordan Jordan 6,397,000 98.8 0.4
Kazakhstan Kazakhstan 8,887,000 56.4 0.5 70.2% (official census)[50]
Kenya Kenya 2,868,000 7.0 0.2 10%[51]
Kiribati Kiribati < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Kosovo Kosovo 2,104,000 91.7 0.1 1,584,000[52]
Kuwait Kuwait 2,636,000 86.4 0.2
Kyrgyzstan Kyrgyzstan 4,927,000 88.8 0.3
Laos Laos 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Latvia Latvia 2,000 0.1 < 0.1
Lebanon Lebanon 2,542,000 59.7 0.2
Lesotho Lesotho 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Liberia Liberia 523,000 12.8 < 0.1
Libya Libya 6,325,000 96.6 0.4
Liechtenstein Liechtenstein 2,000 4.8 < 0.1
Lithuania Lithuania 3,000 0.1 < 0.1
Luxembourg Luxembourg 11,000 2.3 < 0.1
Macau Macau < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Republic of Macedonia Macedonia 713,000 34.9 < 0.1
Madagascar Madagascar 220,000 1.1 < 0.1 7%[53]
Malawi Malawi 2,011,000 12.8 0.1
Malaysia Malaysia 17,139,000 61.4 1.1
Maldives Maldives 309,000 98.4 < 0.1
Mali Mali 12,316,000 92.4 0.8
Malta Malta 1,000 0.3 < 0.1
Marshall Islands Marshall Islands < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Martinique Martinique < 1,000 0.2 < 0.1
Mauritania Mauritania 3,338,000 99.2 0.2
Mauritius Mauritius 216,000 16.6 < 0.1
Mayotte Mayotte 197,000 98.8 < 0.1
Mexico Mexico 111,000 0.1 < 0.1 3,700 (official census)[54]
Moldova Moldova 15,000 0.4 < 0.1
Monaco Monaco < 1,000 0.5 < 0.1
Mongolia Mongolia 120,000 4.4 < 0.1
Montenegro Montenegro 116,000 18.5 < 0.1 118,477 [55] 19.11% [55]
Montserrat Montserrat < 1,000 0.1 < 0.1
Morocco Morocco 32,381,000 99.9 2.0 99%[56]
Mozambique Mozambique 5,340,000 22.8 0.3
Namibia Namibia 9,000 0.4 < 0.1
Nauru Nauru < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Nepal Nepal 1,253,000 4.2 0.1
Netherlands Netherlands 914,000 5.5 0.1 5.8%[57]
Netherlands Antilles Netherlands Antilles < 1,000 0.2 < 0.1
New Caledonia New Caledonia 7,000 2.8 < 0.1
New Zealand New Zealand 41,000 0.9 < 0.1
Nicaragua Nicaragua 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Niger Niger 15,627,000 98.3 1.0
Nigeria Nigeria 75,728,000 47.9 4.7 85,000,000 50%[58]
Niue Niue < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
North Korea North Korea 3,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Northern Mariana Islands Northern Mariana Islands < 1,000 0.7 < 0.1
Norway Norway 144,000 3.0 < 0.1 163,180 in 2008[59]
Oman Oman 2,547,000 87.7 0.2
Pakistan Pakistan 178,097,000 96.4 11.0
Palau Palau < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
State of Palestine Palestinian territories 4,298,000 97.5 0.3 3,500,000 99.3% (Gaza Strip),[60] 75% (West Bank)[61]
Panama Panama 25,000 0.7 < 0.1
Papua New Guinea Papua New Guinea 2,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Paraguay Paraguay 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Peru Peru < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Philippines Philippines 4,737,000 5.1 0.3 10,300,000 (2012)[62] 5% (2000) to 11% (2012)[62]
Pitcairn Islands Pitcairn Islands < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Poland Poland 20,000 0.1 < 0.1
Portugal Portugal 65,000 0.6 < 0.1
Puerto Rico Puerto Rico 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Qatar Qatar 1,168,000 77.5 0.1
Republic of the Congo Republic of Congo 60,000 1.6 < 0.1
Réunion Reunion 35,000 4.2 < 0.1
Romania Romania 73,000 0.3 < 0.1
Russia Russia 16,379,000 6.0 1.0 11.7%[63]
Rwanda Rwanda 188,000 1.8 < 0.1
Saint Helena St. Helena < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Saint Kitts and Nevis St. Kitts and Nevis < 1,000 0.3 < 0.1
Saint Lucia St. Lucia < 1,000 0.1 < 0.1
Saint Pierre and Miquelon St. Pierre and Miquelon < 1,000 0.2 < 0.1
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines St. Vincent and the Grenadines 2,000 1.7 < 0.1
Samoa Samoa < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
San Marino San Marino < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
São Tomé and Príncipe São Tomé and Príncipe < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia 25,493,000 97.1 1.6
Senegal Senegal 12,333,000 95.9 0.8
Serbia Serbia 280,000 3.7 < 0.1
Seychelles Seychelles < 1,000 1.1 < 0.1
Sierra Leone Sierra Leone 4,171,000 71.5 0.3
Singapore Singapore 721,000 14.9 < 0.1
Slovakia Slovakia 4,000 0.1 < 0.1
Slovenia Slovenia 49,000 2.4 < 0.1
Solomon Islands Solomon Islands < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Somalia Somalia 9,231,000 98.6 0.6 99.9%[64][65][66][67][68]
South Africa South Africa 737,000 1.5 < 0.1
South Korea South Korea 75,000 0.2 < 0.1
South Sudan South Sudan
Spain Spain 1,021,000 2.3 0.1 1,000,000[21] 2.3%[21]
Sri Lanka Sri Lanka 1,725,000 8.5 0.1 1,967,227 (official census)[69] 9.71[69]
Sudan Sudan 30,855,000 71.4[Note 1] 1.9 97.0% (only the Republic of Sudan)[70]
Suriname Suriname 84,000 15.9 < 0.1 19.6%[71]
Swaziland Swaziland 2,000 0.2 < 0.1
Sweden Sweden 451,000 4.9 < 0.1 450-500,000[72] ~5%[72]
Switzerland Switzerland 433,000 5.7 < 0.1 400,000[73] 5%[73]
Syria Syria 20,895,000 92.8 1.3
Taiwan Taiwan 23,000 0.1 < 0.1 60,000[74] 0.3%[75]
Tajikistan Tajikistan 7,006,000 99.0 0.4
Tanzania Tanzania 13,450,000 29.9 0.8 35%[76]
Thailand Thailand 3,952,000 5.8 0.2
East Timor Timor-Leste 1,000 0.1 < 0.1
Togo Togo 827,000 12.2 0.1 20%[77]
Tokelau Tokelau < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Tonga Tonga < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Trinidad and Tobago Trinidad and Tobago 78,000 5.8 < 0.1
Tunisia Tunisia 10,349,000 99.8 0.6
Turkey Turkey 74,660,000 98.6 4.6 96.4[78]
Turkmenistan Turkmenistan 4,830,000 93.3 0.3
Turks and Caicos Islands Turks and Caicos Islands < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Tuvalu Tuvalu < 1,000 0.1 < 0.1
Uganda Uganda 4,060,000 12.0 0.3
Ukraine Ukraine 393,000 0.9 < 0.1 2,000,000[79]
United Arab Emirates United Arab Emirates 3,577,000 76.0 0.2
United Kingdom United Kingdom 2,869,000 4.6 0.2 2,422,000[80] 2.4%[21]
United States United States 2,595,000 0.8 0.2 6,000,000-7,000,000[81]
United States Virgin Islands U.S. Virgin Islands < 1,000 0.1 < 0.1
Uruguay Uruguay < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Uzbekistan Uzbekistan 26,833,000 96.5 1.7
Vanuatu Vanuatu < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Vatican City Vatican City 0 0 0
Venezuela Venezuela 95,000 0.3 < 0.1
Vietnam Vietnam 160,000 0.2 < 0.1 71,200[82]
Wallis and Futuna Wallis and Futuna < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Western Sahara Western Sahara 528,000 99.6 < 0.1
Yemen Yemen 24,023,000 99.0 1.5
Zambia Zambia 59,000 0.4 < 0.1
Zimbabwe Zimbabwe 109,000 0.9 < 0.1
South & Southeast Asia 1,005,507,000 24.8 62.1
Middle East-North Africa 321,869,000 91.2 19.9
Sub-Saharan Africa 242,544,000 29.6 15.0
Europe 44,138,000 6.0 2.7
Americas 5,256,000 0.6 0.3
World Total 1,619,314,000 23.4 100.0

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RE: The French Learn Their Lesson - 2/2/2015 10:40:11 AM   
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whats your point?

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RE: The French Learn Their Lesson - 2/2/2015 10:47:03 AM   
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Well we won't have to pay for storage if we use them... get rid of the old stuff so we can make some new bombs for Russia....and while we are at it I think we should drop a few on Texas as well.

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RE: The French Learn Their Lesson - 2/2/2015 10:50:26 AM   
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now now Butch, lets not get carried away

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RE: The French Learn Their Lesson - 2/2/2015 10:51:49 AM   
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while we are at it I think we should drop a few on Texas as well.

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Finally you're making sense!

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RE: The French Learn Their Lesson - 2/2/2015 10:52:46 AM   
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what about north korea?


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