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Gov.Walker:This should play well in the general - 2/7/2015 2:16:00 PM   
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Gov.Walker submitted his biennial budget plan wherein he proposes to cut the University of Wisconsin's state support by 13%.The Gov.went further though.he proposed an edit to the University's 111 year old mission statement.A statement long lauded in higher education circles.
He wants to remove the bedrock principal: 'basic to every purpose of the system is the search for truth"....( can't have that,not when you are about to go to Iowa and deny evolution or climate change)
The budget suggests replacing that with language that suggests the university should be more narrowly concerned with meeting" the states work force needs"( something almost Marxist about that ,isn't there?)
Also deleted were such dangerous and controversial goals as "to educate people and improve the human condition" and "serve and stimulate society"
So is Governor Walker trying to replace Wisconsin's respected state University with a trade school ?
How do you think that will play in the general?( not that I expect him to beat Bush,stranger things have happened though)

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RE: Gov.Walker:This should play well in the general - 2/7/2015 7:41:41 PM   
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So is Governor Walker trying to replace Wisconsin's respected state University with a trade school ?

Well I don't know. Do you consider Physics a "trade"? How about Anthropology? Do you think he wants to kill those majors?

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RE: Gov.Walker:This should play well in the general - 2/7/2015 8:05:35 PM   
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No,just the mission statement?
Are you upset he didn't go further.
I understand you guys are anti science and all that.....

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RE: Gov.Walker:This should play well in the general - 2/7/2015 8:32:10 PM   
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I understand you guys are anti science and all that.....

"You guys"? Lose the turban, bozo.

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RE: Gov.Walker:This should play well in the general - 2/7/2015 8:50:11 PM   
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turban.....lol
Address the Governors budget,and his education cuts,address his deletions.Which in the face of severe criticism he has backed off on.because nowhere in my OP did I suggest he was canceling any majors.
I was quite clear in what I said ,I need no help from the local idiot.

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RE: Gov.Walker:This should play well in the general - 2/7/2015 9:01:50 PM   
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I was quite clear in what I said...

Maybe you need to read it again. You raised the spectre of him turning the University of Wisconsin into a trade school. Are you going to support that contention, or are you just practicing your clown act?

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RE: Gov.Walker:This should play well in the general - 2/7/2015 11:30:46 PM   
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turban.....lol
Address the Governors budget,and his education cuts,address his deletions.Which in the face of severe criticism he has backed off on.because nowhere in my OP did I suggest he was canceling any majors.
I was quite clear in what I said ,I need no help from the local idiot.



I might have if I hadn't already read your partisan bullshit in post 3, but at this point why bother?

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RE: Gov.Walker:This should play well in the general - 2/7/2015 11:48:29 PM   
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And my "partisan bullshit",which takes place on a website affects Gov.Walker's partisan bullshit how thb?
It's always amusing seeing you show up casting aspersions on partisanship.
Newsflash....you ain't no independent

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RE: Gov.Walker:This should play well in the general - 2/7/2015 11:57:10 PM   
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And my "partisan bullshit",which takes place on a website affects Gov.Walker's partisan bullshit how thb?
It's always amusing seeing you show up casting aspersions on partisanship.
Newsflash....you ain't no independent


I didn't say it affected his bullshit at all. I was just pointing out that I didn't see the point in trying to discuss anything with you when all you seem to end up doing is slinging more bullshit.

and I am glad I amuse you, I hope you get the same giggly feeling when I go after racists and bigots too. Either way I don't plan on stopping.

and newsflash...I never said I was.

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RE: Gov.Walker:This should play well in the general - 2/8/2015 12:08:53 AM   
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What is the current per annum tuition to the University of Wisconsin? If he cuts the budget how much will the University hike said tuition? How much does each and every employee at the University make? Will there be salary cuts? Department closures? Sports team disbanding? How much money does the University currently hold in escrow and/or budgetary surplus? Is the University more concerned with the bottom dollar or the education of its students? All of these questions are far more important than any partisan bullshit. I am an independent, and it feels glorious to make up my own mind about all issues rather than regurgitate party lines.

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RE: Gov.Walker:This should play well in the general - 2/8/2015 1:18:42 AM   
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turban.....lol
Address the Governors budget,and his education cuts,address his deletions.Which in the face of severe criticism he has backed off on.because nowhere in my OP did I suggest he was canceling any majors.
I was quite clear in what I said ,I need no help from the local idiot.


Ever observe that when non-conservatives start a topic, that conservatives have to try to derail it onto another topic entirely? That's because they havent gotten the latest talking points from the conservative media (read: Ministry of Truth). They cant speak on a topic until someone tells them what to think. Its called 'lack of critical thinking skills'.

That and they use very short sentences and tiny words. As little details and information as possible. A large lack of supporting information and arguments to back up their main viewpoint or argument. They understand that in-depth discussions is suicide to their simpleton arguments. That most of the liberals on here can destroy any and all of their arguments with practical ease.

Kind of like Kirata's first three posts.....

ON TOPIC.....

I would like you to give a source for the information. Yes, I could go search for it on any number of search engines. But you are bringing the topic forth for discussion. So it would be up to you to provide a direction to which the information is being found, right?

I'll assume things are correct and true in your OP....

That Mr. Walker wishes to downgrade the educational ability of his fellow citizens in the state, shows a real lack of respect. But then, this is a person whom removed collective bargaining from unions with employers. That most people on here have no clue what 'collective bargaining' is and why its so useful, is pretty damn sad. For the completely stupid...collective bargaining...., allows for the union and employer to work through problems while employees remain working. This helps prevent everything from sabotages and work stoppages to full blown strikes. In effect, it keeps good faith between the two entities which is a critical component in and good and decent working relationship. When that is taken out, you allow for unions to go back to all the sort of problems that collective bargaining was design to mitigate.

So if you didnt like all the 'games' the union used to do, guess what? You conservatives voted in the stupid asshole that allows it to happen again and again! No one to blame but yourselves! Not that you hold yourself to any level of real accountability and responsibility.....

"meeting the states work force needs"

Last I checked, all those in ROTC serve the US Military....NOT...a single state. That many students do go to UW that live outside the state. For what ever reason, they may not stay in the state after graduating. Others that live in the state, may end up moving elsewhere for careers. So really, the quote Mr. Walker wants is a total lie.

Also, if Mr. Walker is trying to diminish UW to that of a trade school....he's an idiot. An so is anyone that supports him! Having a well known university brings in business and tax dollars in the form of tourism, sporting events, cultural exposures, and improved educational standards. Boston, MA, for example had well over a 130 universities and colleges located in and nearby. As a result, the city is a thriving area for many different industries and entertainment. If Mr. Walker wnats to reduce UW to a second-rate university like UU (that's University of Utah); I say 'let him'. All the bright and gifted students will just come to Boston! After all, who the hell goes to UU? Sounds like a death sentence.....


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RE: Gov.Walker:This should play well in the general - 2/8/2015 1:29:15 AM   
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What is the current per annum tuition to the University of Wisconsin? If he cuts the budget how much will the University hike said tuition? How much does each and every employee at the University make? Will there be salary cuts? Department closures? Sports team disbanding? How much money does the University currently hold in escrow and/or budgetary surplus? Is the University more concerned with the bottom dollar or the education of its students? All of these questions are far more important than any partisan bullshit. I am an independent, and it feels glorious to make up my own mind about all issues rather than regurgitate party lines.


You could have used a simple web search to find some information.

Cost for schooling for in and out of state students

Universities typically do not operate like corporations. Being an accredited place of higher learning, they are more concern with teaching than making a profit. While they do charge for things to create a gross profit; much of the money goes towards people and equipment for the following few years. As such, a 13% decrease will mean tuition will go up. How much is hard to say without looking at the books and their long term financial positions. It will effect out of state students more than in-state.

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RE: Gov.Walker:This should play well in the general - 2/8/2015 1:46:37 AM   
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That Mr. Walker wishes to downgrade the educational ability of his fellow citizens...

What the fuck does "downgrade the educational ability" mean?

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most people on here have no clue what 'collective bargaining' is...

Wow, a mind-reading penguin! Great act!

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All the bright and gifted students will just come to Boston!

Yeah. All of them. Check.



K.


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RE: Gov.Walker:This should play well in the general - 2/8/2015 3:24:40 AM   
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That Mr. Walker wishes to downgrade the educational ability of his fellow citizens...

What the fuck does "downgrade the educational ability" mean?


Really Kirata? REALLY? You dont get it? No surprise!

Do I:

A ) Explain to Kirata something that is as easy as 1+1=2?
B ) Do something 'productive' like playing an MMO.....

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most people on here have no clue what 'collective bargaining' is...

Wow, a mind-reading penguin! Great act!


Better than a bottom feeding, scum sucking, algae eater....

I bet you dont even get the reference!

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All the bright and gifted students will just come to Boston!

Yeah. All of them. Check.




Hey, that's a shirt from a Tea Party Rally. Its a pretty funny sight to behold.

In honor of you, Grammar Nazi.

Now, am I calling Kirata a Grammar Nazi? Or saying "hey Kirata, here is a video entitled 'Grammar Nazi'? Or maybe....

...I just dont give a shit about Kirata and his bullshit on any given day....

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RE: Gov.Walker:This should play well in the general - 2/8/2015 5:38:25 AM   
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"deny evolution or climate change"

"I understand you guys are anti science and all that...."


if you actually understand the word "science" in the strictest sense, you would see how your position on "denying" evolution or climate change has more to do with leftist ideology than with science. that that actually has to be said is evidence of that you're not paying attention to the academic conversation in the world of science.

that said---there is not one thing you can say about evolution that you know to be true.

I suspect maybe that lame "anti-science" statement flows from the fact (of course its a fact, I mean everyone who knows anything afterall agrees) that evolution and climate change are real? so here is your science---this is an established fact, and if you don't agree with it, you are anti science.

by the way---conservatives don't deny "climate change"--its interesting how liberals have to change the argument in order to preserve their position here. first it was global warming, well that didn't work out so well so now its climate change

this really should go without saying but since I have to---there are conservatives in all branches of science/research/academia, and their conservative worldviews do not hinder them in their work. in fact, historically speaking, many of the scientific discoveries and developments in the sciences where made by religious people trying to understand/explain god's natural universe. yeah---Isaac newton, anti-science all the way.

religion and science though they are different obviously, are not mutually exclusive---they are both ways of understanding the world and in that regard, find tremendous areas of overlap.


in terms of the budget stuff:

leftists on the whole are so fiscally irresponsible it doesn't seem to occur to them that any cuts in "education" might actually have to do with economic reasons as opposed to anything else. scott walker wants to trim the UW budget, if you've studied higher education in the last handful of years since the government has gotten more into bed with them, you'll see that growth in salaries, tuition, etc have far outpaced inflation. budget cuts have to do with bloat.

you say he "backed off" on his "idea" (referring to the mission statements you mentioned) due to resistance, yet if you read here...

http://news.yahoo.com/walker-no-intent-kill-wisconsin-idea-someone-erred-063220652.html

...you will see he explains the situation. though the article isn't complimentary at all, you can understand how it all happened and that he is not against any of the missions of the UW system. note that the UW president ray cross himself said that walker did a good job of explaining what happened.

given that---it really should be the end of the story here but I trust it wont will it because walker really is a knuckle dragging right wing anti science Neanderthal isn't he?

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RE: Gov.Walker:This should play well in the general - 2/8/2015 6:05:17 AM   
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"meeting the states work force needs"

Last I checked, all those in ROTC serve the US Military....NOT...a single state. That many students do go to UW that live outside the state. For what ever reason, they may not stay in the state after graduating. Others that live in the state, may end up moving elsewhere for careers. So really, the quote Mr. Walker wants is a total lie.


You have NEVER checked (so you lie.) And this is a bullshit claim.

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Also, if Mr. Walker is trying to diminish UW to that of a trade school....he's an idiot. An so is anyone that supports him! Having a well known university brings in business and tax dollars in the form of tourism, sporting events, cultural exposures, and improved educational standards. Boston, MA, for example had well over a 130 universities and colleges located in and nearby. As a result, the city is a thriving area for many different industries and entertainment. If Mr. Walker wnats to reduce UW to a second-rate university like UU (that's University of Utah); I say 'let him'. All the bright and gifted students will just come to Boston! After all, who the hell goes to UU? Sounds like a death sentence.....




"tourism, sporting events, cultural exposures"

I think that I have found the problem with higher ed.

Reduce to a second rate university? "After all, who the hell goes to UU? Sounds like a death sentence....." "Bright and gifted"

Your bigotry, elitism, and contempt for the poor and middle class is showing. (And that does not even touch on your disgust of anyone that chooses a trade school.)

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RE: Gov.Walker:This should play well in the general - 2/8/2015 6:15:57 AM   
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Joether the New York Times editorial board on Feb 7th 2015 ran the piece in which I borrowed to start the thread that so incensed our local idiots

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RE: Gov.Walker:This should play well in the general - 2/8/2015 6:26:25 AM   
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These policies are from two GOP Presidential hopefuls (yes, its a over crowded field.)

Scott Walker of Wisconsin:

(1) Proposed a 13 percent cut in State Support for the University of Wisconsin System.

(2) Sought to delete the following language from the University's mission statement

(a) “Basic to every purpose of the system is the search for truth.” (b) "to educate people and improve the human condition" (c) "to serve and stimulate society"

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Governor Bobby Jindal Louisiana:

(1) Louisiana’s budget shortfall is projected to reach $1.6 billion next year (The MNOT Kansas model in action.)

(2) the governor has unequivocally ruled out any plans for new revenue,

(3) Louisiana’s higher education budget, one of the few discretionary targets, has been slashed by more (42%) than just about any other state since 2008; there are a thousand fewer full-time college faculty members on the state payroll, and next year Louisiana State University, the state’s flagship institution, is facing a potential 40 percent cut in its operating budget.

----
Recent Deep State Higher Education Cuts May Harm Students and the Economy for Years to Come

On a national level the US Government is simply not investing in America --- cutting support for education, letting existing infrastructure deteriorate, and not funding any new infrastructure (public transportation -- for example.) The last Metro System developed in a US metropolitan city was in DC during the 70s. There's been really nothing since.

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RE: Gov.Walker:This should play well in the general - 2/8/2015 7:30:02 AM   
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What is the current per annum tuition to the University of Wisconsin? If he cuts the budget how much will the University hike said tuition? How much does each and every employee at the University make? Will there be salary cuts? Department closures? Sports team disbanding? How much money does the University currently hold in escrow and/or budgetary surplus? Is the University more concerned with the bottom dollar or the education of its students? All of these questions are far more important than any partisan bullshit. I am an independent, and it feels glorious to make up my own mind about all issues rather than regurgitate party lines.


You could have used a simple web search to find some information.

Cost for schooling for in and out of state students

Universities typically do not operate like corporations. Being an accredited place of higher learning, they are more concern with teaching than making a profit. While they do charge for things to create a gross profit; much of the money goes towards people and equipment for the following few years. As such, a 13% decrease will mean tuition will go up. How much is hard to say without looking at the books and their long term financial positions. It will effect out of state students more than in-state.


Who said it was my responsibility to do your research, I don't live in Wisconsin. I don't even have a strong urge to visit Wisconsin. I was just pointing out all of the inanities of only arguing partisan talking points when discussing topics related to education.

As for your statement that Universities don't run like corporations, please tell that to the University of Alabama and their football program, which at last count had a 50 million dollar surplus. But the Board of Directors decided that UAB doesn't need a football program when it realized that UAB might begin to compete with the Crimson Tide for recruits and maybe one day be able to play on a level playing field. Seems like a corporate move to basically "buy out and gut" the program of a separate entity to keep your own status as the top dog in the state secure.

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RE: Gov.Walker:This should play well in the general - 2/8/2015 7:58:54 AM   
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turban.....lol
Address the Governors budget,and his education cuts,address his deletions.Which in the face of severe criticism he has backed off on.because nowhere in my OP did I suggest he was canceling any majors.
I was quite clear in what I said ,I need no help from the local idiot.


If you keep feeding him he will keep trolling. I think there's an obvious solution.

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