DesideriScuri
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A promise is one thing, but a speaking error (intentional or not) is another. If you can't tell the difference, you need far more help than I thought.
Lets see....
Conservatives bash the President when he has intentionally misspoke: check!
Conservatives bash the President when he has unintentionally misspoke: check!
Conservatives bash the President when he has promised something: check!
Funny how when the President does it, its wrong, but if any conservative Republicans do it, its 'ok'. Notice the double standard yet?
The example put forth was a promise made by the President. It was made over and over and over. The President should be called out on his lies (when he intentionally misspeaks), and corrected when he unintentionally misspeaks. The amount of ridicule, teasing, or joshing he (or any elected leader) receives from unintentionally misspeaking should be related to the level of the misspeaking.
The President didn't unintentionally misspeak about keeping your Dr. It wasn't a gaffe, or a mistake, like so many Bidenisms or Bushisms. It wasn't like when he said Marine "corpse."
Can you not see the similarity between "Outstanding Teacher of the Year" and "Outstanding First Year Teacher of the Year?" Seriously?
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Did Gov. Walker actually lay off any teachers? I mean, is Governor Walker the one that makes those decisions for every school in Wisconsin? Can you imagine how long it would take to go over each and every review?!? According to JS Online, there were 1,446 fewer teachers in WI public schools during the 2011-12 school year (2.4% decline from the previous year). My public school math teacher would definitely show that you divide 1446 by 0.024 to find out how many teachers there are. That means, there were 60,250 teachers in the 2010-11 school year. Your claim that Walker laid off a public school teacher is ridiculous, as reviewing all those teachers would easily be more than one full-time employee could do in a year (40 hrs/wk x 50 wks = 2000 hours, or 30+ reviews/hour).
The level of bullshit you have to shovel is simply amazing. Its been pointed out already how well Mr. Walker is doing on education. That he and his buddies through their failed gimmicks and plans have created the situation the state now finds itself in. That you try to use math to hide reality is amusing. Fails, but its cute. School teachers do not work 40 hours a week for fifty weeks. They work on salary, so its not an hourly rate. Some weeks they'll have many hours and others a bit less. An that your comparing what they do to other people in the public sector is just silly. Do you have any idea the amount of education it takes to become a school teacher verse a garbage hauler? Evidently you do not.
The school teacher in question was laid off. Was used in the example by Gov. Walker. Was laid off due to his policies. Those are the facts. But please, keep dishing out the obfuscation.
Note that I said it would take a "full-time employee" and not a teacher. Dumb ass.
And what is an example of a 'full time employee'? A T-E-A-C-H-E-R! So again, your trying to hide the bullshit that I'm calling you on.
Hold on a minute... an example of a 'full time employee' is a .... welder! OMG!! I must have said a welder was going to decide if a teacher continues to be employed!!!
Yes, a teacher is one example of a "full time employee." I have teachers that are my relatives and friends. I also have school administrative staff that are relatives and friends. All of them are considered "full time employees" and yet, not all of them have any say in whether or not a teacher continues to be employed. AND, considering we're talking about a person who is judging the continued employment merits of teachers, it should be assumed that that person wouldn't be a teacher (as that's not who hires/fires teachers).
But, do go on.
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My point remains. Gov. Scott Walker did not lay that teacher off. He doesn't have the authority. At some point in time, a person (or a group of people) decided to lay that teacher off. I wasn't party to that lay off, so I can't say if it was warranted or not. But, your several allegations that Walker laid her off is absolutely false.
OMG....really? Ok, I'll dumb the conversation down so you can keep up with it DS.....
The Governor, as part of his duties has to give the 'OK' on a budget that the legislative comes up and votes upon. In many cases, a Governor will push a budget themselves to which the legislative body agrees to. If the budget, that the Governor wrote and signed off on, calls for a reduction in education, that starts a metaphorical 'ball' rolling. The effects are felt down the path. So while the Governor did not directly, sign off on someone's lay-off notice; he was the instrument of effects that made that reality possible.
Thank you for finally being honest. Does inflation have anything to do with someone getting laid off or not?
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I dont know why your defending this point. Its pretty routine in governments big and small across the nation. We the citizens would like to keep your teachers, fire fighters, police, EMTs, and many other skilled people working. But then we have these folks that hate paying even a penny more in taxes. And go through silly exercises to deny paying the taxes that would help the location (be it a town, state, or nation). You and your 'limited government' will cost many teachers their jobs. Children, will not get the quality attention they need to develop important skills for later in life. To be good citizens. Instead, they'll just be sheep. Taught not to think, be creative, or consider options. Just do what they are told by their corporate masters.
I'm sure there was nothing else that could be cut other than teachers. 
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Now, I know you know Walker didn't actually lay off any public school teacher. Does that make your claim a lie, or a mistake?
Because I'm good friends with Mr. Walker?
The evidence speaks for itself. Teachers were laid off while Mr. Walker was Governor. In order for my claim to be a lie, you would have to prove that Claudia Klein didnt write the thing that she wrote. Good luck...
LMFAO!! You can't even answer the question!
I stated something true. I really dont know Gov. Walker as a friend. I dont know why your laughing about it. Are you on a first name basis with the governor of Wisconsin?
I answered your question. Just not in a manner you could attack me on. I've explained (the dumb down version just now to you) that Mr. Walker has laid public school teachers off. That you cant understand this, means you lack a fundamental understanding of economics at the local level. You didnt get your 'Citizenship in the Community' in Boy Scouts, did you?
It's true. I didn't get my "Citizenship in the Community" in the Boy Scouts. That would have been an amazing feat, though, considering I was in Cub Scouts for only a couple months.
There are always choices to be made, Joether. Someone made a choice to lay off teachers rather than non-teacher cuts (which are not necessarily employees). It wasn't Gov. Walker.
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Hey, dumbass, ever heard of a levy or tax hike? Teachers can negotiate for higher wages and/or benefits. To deal with the rising costs (and, I do support wage and benefit increases when they are merited), schools do what? That's right, pass a levy. What happens when a City negotiates a higher wage and/or benefit package? That's right, pass a tax hike. What happens when a levy fails? Does that union contract get rolled back? Of course not. Something else gets axed.
Really, teachers can levy a tax hike onto the general public? And your calling *ME* a dumbass? Hey, dude, learn how local government works in the real world. I'll explain how public unions negotiate with management....AGAIN. For the third fucking time!
Yes, I'm calling you a dumbass.
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The Teachers union in most towns, cities and states, meet very regularly with management. This is to go over many different concepts and criteria that is required for the jobs that both sides perform for the public. That your appalled that teachers wish to be paid an amount according to what the going rate for the job they perform. That you have a problem with this, strikes me as being 'anti-capitalistic'. Are teachers not allowed to argue for a fair wage and benefits like anyone else? In your 'limited thinking' mind: NO!
What happens is towns and cities, must balance all the departments (including the education) with the needs of the community. That paying for good teachers with strong educations will cost more money than the guys that sweep the roads. The teachers themselves have no interaction with the public on the budget, directly. The town or city could raise your taxes and it has...NOTHING...to do with the education department at all. Or have to do with any of the other union groups operating in the town/city. That you assume that is what it has to be, shows a complete lack of knowledge on how local governments operate.
In New England, we have town meetings with the Selectmen. This is usually to handle the monthly issues before the public. Every six months a town wide meeting is head to go over specific issues. Sometimes this is to vote in the budget. This could be different in your area. Which is why its best to seek out your local government and observe how they conduct business. Helps you to be a more informed citizen.
In Toledo Public, a levy was passed (after several attempts) for "emergency funding" to keep the schools running without making any changes. One month later, the teachers went on strike. The negotiations sucked up all the new money the new levy would bring in. 5 months later, Toledo Public started another levy drive for "emergency funding." That's how it goes. What gets axed after negotiations if a levy doesn't pass? It sure as hell isn't a teacher. It's busing, extracurricular activities, or an increase in fees for extracurricular activities. Band can be held up to the chopping block.
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You're completely out of touch with reality, Joether. Just waddle away now.
No. Waddle away.
I'm surprised the moderator has not nailed you yet for being insulting. I've posted stuff in an effort to help you learn from the mistakes that your making. No doubt you'll behave in an immature manner....
Go ahead and waddle away, Joether.
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What I support:
- A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
- Personal Responsibility
- Help for the truly needy
- Limited Government
- Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
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