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scott walker was describing a teacher named megan Sampson, who won a state wide teaching award called the Nancy Hoefs Memorial Award which is an award for "outstanding first year teacher".
and megan Sampson was indeed laid off from her position.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/96349689.html
And...WHY...did Megan Sampson get laid off? Must have been those evil unions, right? The governor cut educational funding across the state. Its pretty low to use a story based on fiction, about a person whom got laid off by the person whom signed the reduction of educational dollars in the first place.
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the open letter you referenced is from someone who actually won the state wide outstanding high school teacher of the year. the woman in that case, Claudia Klein Felske, is somehow under the presumption that because walker used a the title "outstanding teacher of the year" in reference to the problems with unions, that he was somehow talking about her. he was not; scott walker never named her specifically, but instead, as I noted above, was referencing megan Sampson.
http://host.madison.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/wisconsin-teacher-of-the-year-calls-out-scott-walker-over/article_0ec025b9-e129-55cb-986f-2a4bab3a10a1.html
Oh, so you know what Gov. Walker was thinking, eh? Like shit you knew! He made a blunder and got called on it.
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at worst, walker might be guilty of not being as specific in his differentiation as he needed to be in order to avoid some confusion. here's a quote by walker over the very thing I am pointing out:
So when Mr. Obama is not specific on something, he gets attacked by conservatives. But if a conservative Republican does the same thing, its 'OK'? Do you understand the double standard here?
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""Walker, in a conference call with reporters Thursday in London where he is on a trade mission, called controversy over how he describes the award Sampson won a “petty distinction. It’s very clear I’ve talked about this many times,” Walker said."
yet none of the truth there stops the left wing media themselves (and possibly you) from misrepresenting the facts---everywhere you look when you try to read about this story its "governor walker lies."
Oh, so when the President was talking about "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" and that didnt quite pan out due to insurance policy cancellations and re-authorizations onto new policies (nor the American public understanding the facts); its lies. But if a Republican does it, its just 'a misunderstanding'?
BULL....SHIT! If your going to bash President Obama, then you have to hold the people you support and vote to the same level of accountability and responsibility with power. Because you hold a double standard.
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apart from the correction I just gave about the story---and ive written this elsewhere, "lying" implies that the teller absolutely knows the truth ahead of time, but chooses instead to disregard it and to tell something else. in order to call walker a liar, you actually have to show what I just wrote as being the case, or to somehow get inside his mind. in neither instance have people done that here.
Actually lying is based on knowing facts and not reporting them, but instead giving other information that is not true. Has nothing to do with 'peering in to the future'. Under your 'definition' of lying:
"require lobbyists to report all attempts to influence state agency decisions regarding the awarding of state contracts and grants and provide real time disclosure of all contracts and grant awards."" (a campaign promise)
As of this month, it hasn't happen. By your 'definition' here, he is lying!
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that said---whats the more likely scenario---that scott walker used phrasing that people have conflated, or that he was trying to use Claudia felske's title (outstanding teacher of the year) but use megan Sampson's (who was also outstanding teacher of the year, first year, AND was laid off) story? the latter clause doesn't even make sense. unless maybe you are a liberal so clouded by hatred over scott walker that it gets in the way of seeking the truth.
'Truth' and 'conservatives' never mix well. We have been pointing out the facts and truth all along. And conservatives have done quite the apologists job of 'explaining' things. Reality is that Gov. Walker is a liar and a thief. He is not a good manager for the state. One only has to look at the state objective to find this to be true. But you cant accept that, since it undermines several 'morals' of 'conservative wisdom'.
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as far as unions---no, scott walker doesn't hate unions per se, he is against public sector unions, there's a huge difference. and if you want a good primer about how/why public sector unions aren't so great, here's a really good one:
How much do they pay you to ignore reality and push through bullshit? You want to know the difference between public and private sector unions? Very little! The public sector unions handle things much like the private sector, but not always in the same fashion or process. There is certain constraints the public union has to abide by that the private sector union doesnt. An example of something the private sector union can do that the public can not is strike. Which makes managing collective bargaining that much more useful process. Gov. Walker is the 'management' when dealing with the public sector unions. He doesn't like them because they're not willing to roll over and be taken up the ass (who wouldn't?).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su4PwZCWUdg
Really? An anti-union video produced by a right wing media group? Now what would be there....motivation....in telling the viewer a story that is not full of acts, but inside pushing an agenda? That you cant understand the bullshit here, shows your knowledge on the subject matter.
What is a union? A group of...US CITIZENS...joined together for a common purpose. In the public sector these men and women provide a number of services for the government that helps other citizens. It allows the union to decide whom will work where, rather than the politicians whom come and go every 'x' number of years. Since the politician would place his/her people in management positions as a 'thank you' for helping them get elected to office. Something your 'video' leaves out. Its not a perfect process, but it does work efficiently.
You have to be....VERY...careful about using videos about labor unions. Youtube is chalked full of right-wing (and left wing) leaning groups that will give you their view on unions. Unfortunately, the best way to learn about unions is to take a business class at a college on the subject matter. You'll get the good and bad, but the information will be factual and informative.
Here is a good example of the public union being explained.
It's different when a President makes a promise to the American people when selling a program and when a Governor makes an error in speaking. I mean, "Outstanding Teacher of the Year" and "Outstanding First Year Teacher of the Year" are pretty damn close, aren't they?
Did Gov. Walker actually lay off any teachers? I mean, is Governor Walker the one that makes those decisions for every school in Wisconsin? Can you imagine how long it would take to go over each and every review?!? According to JS Online, there were 1,446 fewer teachers in WI public schools during the 2011-12 school year (2.4% decline from the previous year). My public school math teacher would definitely show that you divide 1446 by 0.024 to find out how many teachers there are. That means, there were 60,250 teachers in the 2010-11 school year. Your claim that Walker laid off a public school teacher is ridiculous, as reviewing all those teachers would easily be more than one full-time employee could do in a year (40 hrs/wk x 50 wks = 2000 hours, or 30+ reviews/hour).
Now, I know you know Walker didn't actually lay off any public school teacher. Does that make your claim a lie, or a mistake?
The difference between public sector unions and private sector unions is huge. Private sector unions negotiate with the people who can't just increase the amount of money they have to give. Public sector unions negotiate with elected representatives who can simply raise taxes to cover those expenses. Private sector unions also negotiate with an employer that finds running a deficit a disaster, and won't likely be able to be around if there are too many of years in debt. Not so with public sector unions.
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