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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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We can add this to the war on poor little gun owners.

http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/02/racist-former-nyc-mayor-bloomberg-says-black-people-shouldnt-be-allowed-to-own-guns/

........during a lecture at the Aspen Institute on February 6th, the former mayor literally suggested banning African Americans and Latinos from owning guns… at least until they are much older than their Caucasian neighbors.

Michael Bloomberg is surrounded by private security guards who own and carry guns to protect him. They have been spotted illegally carrying weapons in Washington D.C. The mayor has refused to comment on why he is always surrounded by men with guns if he is so against gun ownership. But make no mistake, former mayor Bloomberg does not have a problem with guns, he has a problem with poor and so-called “minority” communities having the same access, at the same ages, to the firearms that affluent Caucasian communities do.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Guns make campus rape victims less safe, not more

In a move that would be ironic if it weren’t so sadly predictable, the gun lobby is attempting to co-opt the anti-sexual violence movement for its own violent ends.

Lawmakers in 10 states including Florida, Nevada, and Texas are pushing legislation that claims to reduce sexual violence — by arming students with guns. The legislation seeks to overturn bans on carrying guns on college campuses. As Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore said, “If these young, hot little girls on campus have a firearm, I wonder how many men will want to assault them. The sexual assaults that are occurring would go down once these sexual predators get a bullet in their head.”

But easily accessible weapons on campus won’t reduce violence. Instead, they’ll put even more students in danger.

The lawmakers’ efforts have built legislation on a classic rape myth: that the greatest threat to a woman is a stranger lurking in the bushes on her late-night run. Actually, women (and people of other genders) are most in danger while with someone they know and trust. Studies demonstrate that the vast majority of campus victims were raped by a partner, friend, or close acquaintance.

The gun lobby elides the fact that the high-profile stories to which it implicitly appeals – the stories of young women like Emma Sulkowicz at Columbia and Angie Epifano at Amherst – are stories of violence at the hands of trusted friends. These close classmates are precisely the people around which victims will never think to carry a gun – let alone use one.


“The lawmakers’ efforts have built legislation on a classic rape myth: that the greatest threat to a woman is a stranger lurking in the bushes on her late-night run.”

Not only will guns fail to reduce sexual violence, they will increase it. Guns are the most common weapon used in the murders of intimate partners. Time and again, research has shown that having guns in the home exacerbates domestic violence: The Department of Justice found that in the U.S. between 2000 and 2012 7,454 women were shot to death by intimate partners. Of intimate partner murders around that period, nearly half — 48% — involved a gun. For victims in abusive dating relationships, guns can be a death sentence: The mere presence of a gun increases the risk of homicide by 500%.
The widespread use of alcohol and other drugs on college campuses only intensifies the danger to victims and unwitting bystanders.

At the end of the day, using a gun in self-defense often leads to terrible repercussions for the victims who try to protect themselves. One need only look to Marissa Alexander, a survivor of domestic violence who was imprisoned for three years, and is now confined to house arrest, for merely firing a warning shot into the air when her abuser threatened her. Alexander is from Florida, one of the states considering permitting guns on campus under the guise of stopping rape.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Well, too be fair, the ruling class doesn't much like poor or minority people.

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
We shall see what happens when some disaffected depressed freshman eats her own gun that mom and dad thought would keep her safe from rape.
Talk about a law of unintended consequences ......That's a guilt that will haunt and haunt a family till it tears them apart.

So, it's your belief that all these depressed students won't commit suicide if they don't have a gun?

In the college population, however, the most frequent methods are hanging and jumping.
http://cms.bsu.edu/campuslife/counselingcenter/newsfooteritems/dealingwithstressdepressionanxietysuicideandtraumaticevents/suicide/commonquestionsandanswersaboutsuicide

Given that there are an estimated 1350 suicides among all college students, that's a lot of jumping and hanging. Do you really think that giving someone a gun will encourage them to kill themselves? Because it seems as if those who want to WILL find a way.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/small-steps/201002/whose-life-is-anyway-when-college-students-kill-themselves

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
We shall see what happens when some disaffected depressed freshman eats her own gun that mom and dad thought would keep her safe from rape.
Talk about a law of unintended consequences ......That's a guilt that will haunt and haunt a family till it tears them apart.

So, it's your belief that all these depressed students won't commit suicide if they don't have a gun?

In the college population, however, the most frequent methods are hanging and jumping.
http://cms.bsu.edu/campuslife/counselingcenter/newsfooteritems/dealingwithstressdepressionanxietysuicideandtraumaticevents/suicide/commonquestionsandanswersaboutsuicide

Given that there are an estimated 1350 suicides among all college students, that's a lot of jumping and hanging. Do you really think that giving someone a gun will encourage them to kill themselves? Because it seems as if those who want to WILL find a way.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/small-steps/201002/whose-life-is-anyway-when-college-students-kill-themselves

Your knowledge and education on Depression and suicide has been observed to be rudimentary at best. Now, you want to talk about a higher level subject matter and sound like you have a clue. To a bunch of people that understand the subject matter quite well.....

Why do college get depressed?

Why do they hang or jump of something to their deaths?

The pressure to do well in college comes from multiple sources and reasons. Fully half of them from the individual themselves. I still have nightmares of college papers not done or exams I didnt study for well enough. Take to those with college degrees that pushed to get those 4.0s. They'll tell you they have had similar dreams and nightmares. Educated people, would look at the two questions above that I give and try to answer them. Not to slam me for being ignorant, but educate on the answer(s). That way, I am better informed.

Firearms, in the hangs of depressed individuals is a very serious thing. That you cant understand it, shows the depth of ignorance all of us see on your part. Have you ever talked down someone thinking of killing themselves, when the method of that destruction is at hand or very close by? Speaking from experience, its....FUCKING TOUCH AS SHIT! An after people get those away from the moment, try to get them actual help!

I was curious....so I looked up "college suicide method" on google. Curiously, death from Depression (which is how one might define it better) is by Firearms. It makes perfect sense. Firearms are easy to obtain (depending on state). They are simple to use. And the success rate is nine times over all other methods. Things are over quickly is another...BIG...consideration.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
In a move that would be ironic if it weren’t so sadly predictable, the gun lobby is attempting to co-opt the anti-sexual violence movement for its own violent ends.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Gary Kleck again
been debunked more than fox news
but go ahead, deny it all you want:)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
We shall see what happens when some disaffected depressed freshman eats her own gun that mom and dad thought would keep her safe from rape.
Talk about a law of unintended consequences ......That's a guilt that will haunt and haunt a family till it tears them apart.

So, it's your belief that all these depressed students won't commit suicide if they don't have a gun?

In the college population, however, the most frequent methods are hanging and jumping.
http://cms.bsu.edu/campuslife/counselingcenter/newsfooteritems/dealingwithstressdepressionanxietysuicideandtraumaticevents/suicide/commonquestionsandanswersaboutsuicide

Given that there are an estimated 1350 suicides among all college students, that's a lot of jumping and hanging. Do you really think that giving someone a gun will encourage them to kill themselves? Because it seems as if those who want to WILL find a way.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/small-steps/201002/whose-life-is-anyway-when-college-students-kill-themselves

Your knowledge and education on Depression and suicide has been observed to be rudimentary at best. Now, you want to talk about a higher level subject matter and sound like you have a clue. To a bunch of people that understand the subject matter quite well.....

Why do college get depressed?

Why do they hang or jump of something to their deaths?

The pressure to do well in college comes from multiple sources and reasons. Fully half of them from the individual themselves. I still have nightmares of college papers not done or exams I didnt study for well enough. Take to those with college degrees that pushed to get those 4.0s. They'll tell you they have had similar dreams and nightmares. Educated people, would look at the two questions above that I give and try to answer them. Not to slam me for being ignorant, but educate on the answer(s). That way, I am better informed.

Firearms, in the hangs of depressed individuals is a very serious thing. That you cant understand it, shows the depth of ignorance all of us see on your part. Have you ever talked down someone thinking of killing themselves, when the method of that destruction is at hand or very close by? Speaking from experience, its....FUCKING TOUCH AS SHIT! An after people get those away from the moment, try to get them actual help!

I was curious....so I looked up "college suicide method" on google. Curiously, death from Depression (which is how one might define it better) is by Firearms. It makes perfect sense. Firearms are easy to obtain (depending on state). They are simple to use. And the success rate is nine times over all other methods. Things are over quickly is another...BIG...consideration.

Yes of course, we didn't realize that firearms are so much easier to obtain than a 4th story window or a rope, how silly of us not to realize it.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Guns make campus rape victims less safe, not more

In a move that would be ironic if it weren’t so sadly predictable, the gun lobby is attempting to co-opt the anti-sexual violence movement for its own violent ends.

Lawmakers in 10 states including Florida, Nevada, and Texas are pushing legislation that claims to reduce sexual violence — by arming students with guns. The legislation seeks to overturn bans on carrying guns on college campuses. As Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore said, “If these young, hot little girls on campus have a firearm, I wonder how many men will want to assault them. The sexual assaults that are occurring would go down once these sexual predators get a bullet in their head.”

But easily accessible weapons on campus won’t reduce violence. Instead, they’ll put even more students in danger.

The lawmakers’ efforts have built legislation on a classic rape myth: that the greatest threat to a woman is a stranger lurking in the bushes on her late-night run. Actually, women (and people of other genders) are most in danger while with someone they know and trust. Studies demonstrate that the vast majority of campus victims were raped by a partner, friend, or close acquaintance.

The gun lobby elides the fact that the high-profile stories to which it implicitly appeals – the stories of young women like Emma Sulkowicz at Columbia and Angie Epifano at Amherst – are stories of violence at the hands of trusted friends. These close classmates are precisely the people around which victims will never think to carry a gun – let alone use one.


“The lawmakers’ efforts have built legislation on a classic rape myth: that the greatest threat to a woman is a stranger lurking in the bushes on her late-night run.”

Not only will guns fail to reduce sexual violence, they will increase it. Guns are the most common weapon used in the murders of intimate partners. Time and again, research has shown that having guns in the home exacerbates domestic violence: The Department of Justice found that in the U.S. between 2000 and 2012 7,454 women were shot to death by intimate partners. Of intimate partner murders around that period, nearly half — 48% — involved a gun. For victims in abusive dating relationships, guns can be a death sentence: The mere presence of a gun increases the risk of homicide by 500%.
The widespread use of alcohol and other drugs on college campuses only intensifies the danger to victims and unwitting bystanders.

At the end of the day, using a gun in self-defense often leads to terrible repercussions for the victims who try to protect themselves. One need only look to Marissa Alexander, a survivor of domestic violence who was imprisoned for three years, and is now confined to house arrest, for merely firing a warning shot into the air when her abuser threatened her. Alexander is from Florida, one of the states considering permitting guns on campus under the guise of stopping rape.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

Another quick Google shows that in the year 2000, 13,322 people died in the US by falling down stairs or off furniture. We can save them too.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

Another quick Google shows that in the year 2000, 13,322 people died in the US by falling down stairs or off furniture. We can save them too.

Your rebuttal is irrelevant.

In case you hadn't noticed..... this is a gun thread!!