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Yes, it seems much easier and more convenient to set up and install a remotely accessible private e-mail server as opposed to using two phones.
Of course, who could dispute that it's easier to build and house a server that you later wipe than follow department procedure?

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And, didn't Hillary tell a Santa Clara crowd last week that she carried a blackberry AND an iPhone?

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Yes, it seems much easier and more convenient to set up and install a remotely accessible private e-mail server as opposed to using two phones.

Of course, who could dispute that it's easier to build and house a server that you later wipe than follow department procedure?

And, didn't Hillary tell a Santa Clara crowd last week that she carried a blackberry AND an iPhone?

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Yes, it seems much easier and more convenient to set up and install a remotely accessible private e-mail server as opposed to using two phones.
Of course, who could dispute that it's easier to build and house a server that you later wipe than follow department procedure?

Here's the problem: Can you prove that she wiped rather than follow departmental (and Federal) procedure? There are articles out there that state that when she was SoS, the rules were that you weren't allowed to have 2 email accounts on one phone, lending some support to her decision to house a private server for her email.

How is carrying two phones really inconvenient? Even if we can all agree that carrying two phones isn't really all that inconvenient, that still doesn't mean Hillary did anything wrong.

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And, didn't Hillary tell a Santa Clara crowd last week that she carried a blackberry AND an iPhone?

I didn't see any mention of the timing of her claim to be using that stuff. So, it could have been since she left the State Dept. that she started using more electronics.

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Regulations from the National Archives and Records Administration at the time required that any emails sent or received from personal accounts be preserved as part of the agency’s records.

But Mrs. Clinton and her aides failed to do so.

How many emails were in Mrs. Clinton’s account is not clear, and neither is the process her advisers used to determine which ones related to her work at the State Department before turning them over.

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Re Ambassador Scott Gration:

[David] Shuster [of Al Jazeera] said Gration was forced to resign because of his use of personal email accounts.

That was one issue State Department officials raised. But just one of many. The State Department Inspector General’s report paints a much more troubling picture of an embassy in disarray under Gration’s leadership. In the words of the auditors, Gration "has lost the respect and confidence of the staff to lead the mission." Gration ranked at or near the absolute bottom among other ambassadors assessed by the department.

His use of email was an issue, but according to an ambassador with much experience, it was a relatively minor one.

We rate the claim Mostly False.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/mar/11/david-shuster/no-email-use-didnt-sink-us-ambassador-kenya/

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Very soon after the Ambassador’s arrival in May 2011, he broadcast his lack of confidence in the information management staff. Because the information management office could not change the Department’s policy for handling Sensitive But Unclassified material, he assumed charge of the mission’s information management operations. He ordered a commercial Internet connection installed in his embassy office bathroom so he could work there on a laptop not connected to the Department email system. He drafted and distributed a mission policy authorizing himself and other mission personnel to use commercial email for daily communication of official government business. During the inspection, the Ambassador continued to use commercial email for official government business. The Department email system provides automatic security, record-keeping, and backup functions as required. The Ambassador’s requirements for use of commercial email in the office and his flouting of direct instructions to adhere to Department policy have placed the information management staff in a conundrum: balancing the desire to be responsive to their mission leader and the need to adhere to Department regulations and government information security standards. The Ambassador compounded the problem on several occasions by publicly berating members of the staff, attacking them personally, loudly questioning their competence, and threatening career-ending disciplinary actions. These actions have sapped the resources and morale of a busy and understaffed information management staff as it supports the largest embassy in sub-Saharan Africa.

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The Ambassador’s greatest weakness is his reluctance to accept clear -cut U.S. Government decisions. He made clear his disagreement with Washington policy decisions and directives concerning the safe -havening in Nairobi of families of Department employees who volunteered to serve in extreme hardship posts; the creation of a freestanding Somalia Unit; and the nonuse of commercial email for official government business, including Sensitive But Unclassified information. Notwithstanding his talk about the importance of mission staff doing the right thing, the Ambassador by deed or word has encouraged it to do the opposite.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Yes, it seems much easier and more convenient to set up and install a remotely accessible private e-mail server as opposed to using two phones.
Of course, who could dispute that it's easier to build and house a server that you later wipe than follow department procedure?

Here's the problem: Can you prove that she wiped rather than follow departmental (and Federal) procedure? There are articles out there that state that when she was SoS, the rules were that you weren't allowed to have 2 email accounts on one phone, lending some support to her decision to house a private server for her email.
How is carrying two phones really inconvenient? Even if we can all agree that carrying two phones isn't really all that inconvenient, that still doesn't mean Hillary did anything wrong.

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And, didn't Hillary tell a Santa Clara crowd last week that she carried a blackberry AND an iPhone?

I didn't see any mention of the timing of her claim to be using that stuff. So, it could have been since she left the State Dept. that she started using more electronics.

Umm. . . no, we cannot prove it. Do you know why? Because she got to decide which emails got deleted and which emails got to stay. Which means that she destroyed evidence that would corroborate her claim.

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The White House says that she did not follow policy:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clintons-use-of-personal-e-mail-at-state-dept-violated-obama-directive/2015/03/03/454d7938-c1b9-11e4-9271-610273846239_story.html

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Clinton did not have a government account at the State Department but instead used her personal e-mail account. That was permissible only if all e-mails relating to government business were turned over and archived by the State Department, White House press secretary Josh Earnest said at his daily briefing.

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And Federal Record keeping policies:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clintons-use-of-private-email-at-state-department-raises-flags.html?_r=0

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Regulations from the National Archives and Records Administration at the time required that any emails sent or received from personal accounts be preserved as part of the agency’s records.
But Mrs. Clinton and her aides failed to do so.
How many emails were in Mrs. Clinton’s account is not clear, and neither is the process her advisers used to determine which ones related to her work at the State Department before turning them over.

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Hillary Rodham Clinton exclusively used a personal email account to conduct government business as secretary of state, State Department officials said, and may have violated federal requirements that officials’ correspondence be retained as part of the agency’s record.

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Keep in mind that the State Department had to go through negotiations and sit-down meetings with her lawyers to pry her emails from her. And the ones she didn't want to share were destroyed.
This is not the way the system works. Literally every federal employee's work product is supposed to be accessible and available to his or her agency and their oversight committees. Also the media and, frankly, much of the general public. That's how it works. Dick Nixon doesn't get to decide which 18 minutes are personal and which aren't.
And no one has responded to me asking about Ambassador Scott being forced to resign over private emails.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
I saw an interview with a former CIA agent who said that her wording was very convenient.
It is entirely possible that she never sent classified e-mails (it's probably bullshit but there's no proof that she did, now that the server's wiped). He went on to say that if this is the only e-mail account she used then, her statement is mis-leading, at best because the SoS gets a copy of the President's Daily Briefing, every day from the National Security team so, she sure-as-hell received classified e-mail, there.
Just more lies from a piece of barely human flotsam that believes her own lies and also believes that we're as dumb as she thinks we are.
Michael

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Yes, it seems much easier and more convenient to set up and install a remotely accessible private e-mail server as opposed to using two phones.
Of course, who could dispute that it's easier to build and house a server that you later wipe than follow department procedure?

Here's the problem: Can you prove that she wiped rather than follow departmental (and Federal) procedure? There are articles out there that state that when she was SoS, the rules were that you weren't allowed to have 2 email accounts on one phone, lending some support to her decision to house a private server for her email.
How is carrying two phones really inconvenient? Even if we can all agree that carrying two phones isn't really all that inconvenient, that still doesn't mean Hillary did anything wrong.

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And, didn't Hillary tell a Santa Clara crowd last week that she carried a blackberry AND an iPhone?

I didn't see any mention of the timing of her claim to be using that stuff. So, it could have been since she left the State Dept. that she started using more electronics.

Umm. . . no, we cannot prove it. Do you know why? Because she got to decide which emails got deleted and which emails got to stay. Which means that she destroyed evidence that would corroborate her claim.

So, innocent until proven guilty, right?

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The White House says that she did not follow policy:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clintons-use-of-personal-e-mail-at-state-dept-violated-obama-directive/2015/03/03/454d7938-c1b9-11e4-9271-610273846239_story.html

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Clinton did not have a government account at the State Department but instead used her personal e-mail account. That was permissible only if all e-mails relating to government business were turned over and archived by the State Department, White House press secretary Josh Earnest said at his daily briefing.

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And Federal Record keeping policies:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clintons-use-of-private-email-at-state-department-raises-flags.html?_r=0

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Regulations from the National Archives and Records Administration at the time required that any emails sent or received from personal accounts be preserved as part of the agency’s records.
But Mrs. Clinton and her aides failed to do so.
How many emails were in Mrs. Clinton’s account is not clear, and neither is the process her advisers used to determine which ones related to her work at the State Department before turning them over.

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Hillary Rodham Clinton exclusively used a personal email account to conduct government business as secretary of state, State Department officials said, and may have violated federal requirements that officials’ correspondence be retained as part of the agency’s record.

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Keep in mind that the State Department had to go through negotiations and sit-down meetings with her lawyers to pry her emails from her. And the ones she didn't want to share were destroyed.
This is not the way the system works. Literally every federal employee's work product is supposed to be accessible and available to his or her agency and their oversight committees. Also the media and, frankly, much of the general public. That's how it works. Dick Nixon doesn't get to decide which 18 minutes are personal and which aren't.
And no one has responded to me asking about Ambassador Scott being forced to resign over private emails.

There may be a good reason why Ambassador Scott was forced to resign that don't apply to Hillary.

Let's say Hillary didn't fully comply with archiving rules (which it looks like she didn't). Does that disqualify her from the Presidency?

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I saw an interview with a former CIA agent who said that her wording was very convenient.
It is entirely possible that she never sent classified e-mails (it's probably bullshit but there's no proof that she did, now that the server's wiped). He went on to say that if this is the only e-mail account she used then, her statement is mis-leading, at best because the SoS gets a copy of the President's Daily Briefing, every day from the National Security team so, she sure-as-hell received classified e-mail, there.
Just more lies from a piece of barely human flotsam that believes her own lies and also believes that we're as dumb as she thinks we are.
Michael

But, if she received an email of the PDB from the National Security Team, wouldn't that have been sent from a government account, and, therefore, archived?

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

But, if she received an email of the PDB from the National Security Team, wouldn't that have been sent from a government account, and, therefore, archived?

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
I saw an interview with a former CIA agent who said that her wording was very convenient.
It is entirely possible that she never sent classified e-mails (it's probably bullshit but there's no proof that she did, now that the server's wiped). He went on to say that if this is the only e-mail account she used then, her statement is mis-leading, at best because the SoS gets a copy of the President's Daily Briefing, every day from the National Security team so, she sure-as-hell received classified e-mail, there.
Just more lies from a piece of barely human flotsam that believes her own lies and also believes that we're as dumb as she thinks we are.
Michael

But, if she received an email of the PDB from the National Security Team, wouldn't that have been sent from a government account, and, therefore, archived?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Ooooooooooooooh, innuendo and impugnment from Faux Nuze, but no facts.

And Scooby and Shaggy were chased by the hairy monster. None of us saw that plot twist coming.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yup, right out of the rightwing Nazi shiteaters propaganda manual courtesy of Faux Nuze. That looks a lot like you before your head injury.

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ORIGINAL: Moderator3

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While we are working on the word filter, I am asking that you all not use those words that you know are not permitted.

Nazi is a word that is most often used to insult people and isn't talking about real Nazi's. I don't know how many times I have to state that it isn't going to be allowed. I'm tired of talking about it. Using the word implies that you are calling people murderers and that is not going to be tolerated.

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