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RE: Call me weird .... - 3/23/2015 12:18:56 PM   
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Oh I have long hair. Had long hair most my life after getting out of the military. My wife has long hair too. I do tend to like long hair. However, in certain instances I think a slaves bald head appropriate. More from the standpoint that she needs to be taken down a peg or two.


He already said he likes long hair he only shaves girls heads to make them feel like trash because he thinks he is superior to them. His message before said he shaved a girl after she lost a bet not because she wanted to. Pretty much he only likes the manipulation to be one sided and doesn't like when women treat him like he treats them. Strange thing about that "teaching people their place" stuff.... sometimes you don't end up on top.



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RE: Call me weird .... - 3/23/2015 12:36:26 PM   
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He already said he likes long hair he only shaves girls heads to make them feel like trash because he thinks he is superior to them. His message before said he shaved a girl after she lost a bet not because she wanted to. Pretty much he only likes the manipulation to be one sided and doesn't like when women treat him like he treats them. Strange thing about that "teaching people their place" stuff.... sometimes you don't end up on top.




Wife has long hair, yet it is different with slaves...

Interesting...

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A slave shouldn't manipulate. she should serve the will of her Owner(s) and if that will dictates her hair be taken then her hair gets gone.


Yup, if that's what the two parties to the relationship agree to, have at it.

This slave will say though that if she sees a double standard with her partner (and, perhaps...probably?...a tinge of insecurity), her owner's "will" will not be law.

Yup, no need to say, I'm doing it all wrong.


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RE: Call me weird .... - 3/23/2015 12:43:20 PM   
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I didn't ignore it. I read it, considered it and moved on. You're welcome to your opinion. The point of the post has nothing at all to do with medical or religious concerns or the oppression of women. yet that's where you and a couple others went. What your responses do show is just how precious and protective most of you feel of having your hair. That would make shaving your head a hard limit and make the point of just how vain you may well be. Again. that's up to you not me.



I was with you until that sentence right there. I agree, it wasn't a matter of medical or religious reasons, it was a matter of if others thought a bald head on a woman was sexy. I do hate how folks sometimes turn things into a personal attack, and lash out on something that had nothing to do with how they're offended. That being said, saying that those of us who love our hair are vain is ludicrous. I love my hair for several reasons, one of which being that I can have fun with it both in and out of the bedroom, making it an awesome accessory. If that alone makes me vain, then go ahead and stamp that big red V on my forehead, my hair will cover it up anyway.


As someone who was personally offended and lashing out, i have as much right to be offended by this topic as someone does who lashes out at play rape because they were actually raped.

Is it ok to do do?

Yes, I think some things are so traumatic (and yes, I am comparing loss of hair to that), that I had to say my opinion.

As for the discussion on vanity. Spiritedsub had it right; anyone who believes that loving and valuing your hair as part of your looks is considered vain and for gods sake, a sin, hates women and wants to degrade them. Healthy self esteem shouldn't threaten a man nor should he want to destroy it.

Being bald is not a fun private kink.

It affects a woman out in the actual world, where most of us live.

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RE: Call me weird .... - 3/23/2015 12:45:53 PM   
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Isn't vanity (or in other words pride) one of the seven deadly sins?



Only if you believe in that claptrap bullshit.

Frankly, I'd rather have a slave who has pride about themselves and their looks as that translates into them having pride in looking good for me........happy slave equals a person with a good sense of self esteem and worth. Humiliating another is simply an asinine way to treat anyone.

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RE: Call me weird .... - 3/23/2015 12:57:39 PM   
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There's a slave I correspond with regularly who's a real cute irish lass. she has the perfect red curls. Which she learned early on how to use to manipulate men and women. So her hair gave her a certain power. Well she lost a bet a few years ago and paid with losing her locks. she had to be bald for two years. It was a truly humbling experience for her. But she came out of it a stronger human being for the experience. So she'll always say now, it was well worth the experience


He added the "slaves only" part after this... a "bet" not a slave.... personally I like playing with people who aren't afraid to place it on a bet. But then my predator side comes out when guys try to manipulate... it's called man-ipulation for a reason. I'm naturally a good girl,but when some one opens the toy box I'll use what they take out. Oh Foo now I got myself all excited, no more playing games for me I'm all settled down with someone who knows to keep the lid on that box.... hence the name on my collar "pandora"

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RE: Call me weird .... - 3/23/2015 1:54:08 PM   
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....Yet some subs need to be stripped of their vanity for a multitude of reasons, to better serve their Dom/me, and often themselves. To what extent that happens depends on the people involved.




In your opinion, why would this be necessary? How does stripping a sub's sense of vanity makes their ability to serve better?


To get past pretenses when they exist. Vanity is a sad replacement for real confidence.

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RE: Call me weird .... - 3/23/2015 1:56:41 PM   
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....Yet some subs need to be stripped of their vanity for a multitude of reasons, to better serve their Dom/me, and often themselves. To what extent that happens depends on the people involved.




In your opinion, why would this be necessary? How does stripping a sub's sense of vanity makes their ability to serve better?


To get past pretenses when they exist. Vanity is a sad replacement for real confidence.
Can you provide any meaningful difference between the two? I've often seen vanity used to mean "confidence that wasn't dependent on my approval."

Also, that doesn't explain how vanity prevents one from serving effectively. Unless service includes "feed my ego whenever possible?"


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RE: Call me weird .... - 3/23/2015 2:13:51 PM   
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Call me weird but don't you find a bald female slave sexy and just want to cum all over that bald head?

Edited to add ... How many would consider the taking of their hair a hard limit?

You are weird.

And you cannot have my hair, it is the only thing that hasn't gotten fat!

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RE: Call me weird .... - 3/23/2015 3:36:58 PM   
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My comment was not directed to you, but to the OP, who ignored it, which tells me everything I need to know about their lack of empathy and humanity.


I didn't ignore it. I read it, considered it and moved on. You're welcome to your opinion. The point of the post has nothing at all to do with medical or religious concerns or the oppression of women. yet that's where you and a couple others went. What your responses do show is just how precious and protective most of you feel of having your hair. That would make shaving your head a hard limit and make the point of just how vain you may well be. Again. that's up to you not me.



I think I get it. There was something I wanted to do about a year ago - something that lots of women do all the time, very naturally, and no one thinks anything of it. But, like having a striking head of hair, it was something that would have drawn attention to myself and perhaps would have caused some envy in others. And for no other reason other than "It's vain," I was not allowed to do it. And truth? It killed me! And he kept insisting. Until it stopped being an issue for me. When it finally became something that I didn't have to call attention to about myself, then I was allowed to do it. I definitely learned something from it. Thankfully, it was something less drastic than shaving my head. But I imagine the intent was similar.

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RE: Call me weird .... - 3/23/2015 3:55:42 PM   
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And for no other reason other than "It's vain," I was not allowed to do it.


"Vanity, thy name is Woman", as Shakespeare (never actually) said. I'm just beginning to grasp how much more important the average woman's hair is to her than the average man's is to him.



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RE: Call me weird .... - 3/23/2015 3:57:01 PM   
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And you cannot have my hair, it is the only thing that hasn't gotten fat!


Class.

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RE: Call me weird .... - 3/23/2015 4:02:15 PM   
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And for no other reason other than "It's vain," I was not allowed to do it.


"Vanity, thy name is Woman", as Shakespeare (never actually) said. I'm just beginning to grasp how much more important the average woman's hair is to her than the average man's is to him.



I don't think it's all internal, either. From my perspective, I almost never see a woman fretting over being able to keep her hair. (Then again, this may be due to women rarely having occasion to lose it - medical issues aside.)

I DO see a lot of guys complaining about women cutting their hair short, pixie cuts and the like. They complain that it's not feminine enough and it detracts from their femininity.

I know, I know. "not all men..." That's not my point. But it does lend well to the OP's humiliation kink. Take a woman who's fond of her hair and being feminine, chop it off. Suddenly she's not as feminine and her identity is altered.

So I think the issue is more (from the woman's side) loss of agency regarding how she looks, or (from the man's side) ability to control and manipulate her using one aspect in which she takes pride (sorry, "vanity.")

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RE: Call me weird .... - 3/23/2015 4:24:27 PM   
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So I think the issue is more (from the woman's side) loss of agency regarding how she looks, or (from the man's side) ability to control and manipulate her using one aspect in which she takes pride (sorry, "vanity.")


That makes sense to me.

And, btw, I have nothing at all against a good solid dose of vanity. I've tried to develop one myself and am very glad with what I've achieved. Well, to be blunt, you don't develop a figure like mine without being pretty damned vain to start with. Any man who says 'oh, it just kind of happened' is almost certainly talking bollocks. I want to look good in women's eyes. In *the* woman's eyes, specifically. Am I a male tart? Yup, I'm a male tart - and happy with it.



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RE: Call me weird .... - 3/23/2015 4:30:04 PM   
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So I think the issue is more (from the woman's side) loss of agency regarding how she looks, or (from the man's side) ability to control and manipulate her using one aspect in which she takes pride (sorry, "vanity.")


That makes sense to me.

And, btw, I have nothing at all against a good solid dose of vanity. I've tried to develop one myself and am very glad with what I've achieved. Well, to be blunt, you don't develop a figure like mine without being pretty damned vain to start with. Any man who says 'oh, it just kind of happened' is almost certainly talking bollocks. I want to look good in women's eyes. In *the* woman's eyes, specifically. Am I a male tart? Yup, I'm a male tart - and happy with it.



Agreed. At least on the "nothing wrong with vanity" bit.

I can't confirm whether you're a tart or not at this time, so I'll just take your word for it.

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RE: Call me weird .... - 3/23/2015 4:33:11 PM   
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And for no other reason other than "It's vain," I was not allowed to do it.


"Vanity, thy name is Woman", as Shakespeare (never actually) said. I'm just beginning to grasp how much more important the average woman's hair is to her than the average man's is to him.



I have a male friend who has started going bald and he is losing. His. Goddamn. Mind. Over it- I really feel like he is crazzzzy about it. I happen to not really care about men's hair...so I have barely noticed what he thinks is the only thing women are attracted to dissappearing.

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RE: Call me weird .... - 3/23/2015 4:45:24 PM   
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And for no other reason other than "It's vain," I was not allowed to do it.


"Vanity, thy name is Woman", as Shakespeare (never actually) said. I'm just beginning to grasp how much more important the average woman's hair is to her than the average man's is to him.



I have a male friend who has started going bald and he is losing. His. Goddamn. Mind. Over it- I really feel like he is crazzzzy about it. I happen to not really care about men's hair...so I have barely noticed what he thinks is the only thing women are attracted to dissappearing.


That's a shame, Shifty. I don't know what that feels like, I'm kind of happy to say - but I know men who've fretted similarly about it.

To this day, I still don't understand - and don't think any other men I know understand - really what it is that women are or are not attracted to.

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RE: Call me weird .... - 3/23/2015 4:46:30 PM   
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I can't confirm whether you're a tart or not at this time, so I'll just take your word for it.


Good. I won't tolerate women arguing with me.

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RE: Call me weird .... - 3/23/2015 4:52:58 PM   
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And for no other reason other than "It's vain," I was not allowed to do it.


"Vanity, thy name is Woman", as Shakespeare (never actually) said. I'm just beginning to grasp how much more important the average woman's hair is to her than the average man's is to him.



I have a male friend who has started going bald and he is losing. His. Goddamn. Mind. Over it- I really feel like he is crazzzzy about it. I happen to not really care about men's hair...so I have barely noticed what he thinks is the only thing women are attracted to dissappearing.

My guy is similarly worried about losing his hair. He's got a family history of it and his hair was thin when we met, but he's managed to get it to grow back so he's been feeling better about it.

It's surprising how much guys stress over losing their hair, but then again as I mentioned above they're usually in more of a position to lose it.

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RE: Call me weird .... - 3/23/2015 4:57:47 PM   
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RE: Call me weird .... - 3/23/2015 5:09:05 PM   
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He already said he likes long hair he only shaves girls heads to make them feel like trash because he thinks he is superior to them. His message before said he shaved a girl after she lost a bet not because she wanted to. Pretty much he only likes the manipulation to be one sided and doesn't like when women treat him like he treats them. Strange thing about that "teaching people their place" stuff.... sometimes you don't end up on top.


I really wish people would read instead of skim and assume. I've never once said I like to make a slave feel like trash. I said there's times when I believe a slave needs to be taken down a notch or two. Not every slave. Just some. And I never said I shaved the slave that lost the bet. I correspond with her. I've never met her. I actually said I quite often find a bald headed slave sexy or hot. But instead, several of you seem to think I'm just all about humiliation. Which your opinion of me really doesn't matter to me. You're welcome to whatever opinion you derive. But a few of you truly get what I'm trying to express and it's to you, I applaud

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