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ORIGINAL: ChrchofDrk

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He already said he likes long hair he only shaves girls heads to make them feel like trash because he thinks he is superior to them. His message before said he shaved a girl after she lost a bet not because she wanted to. Pretty much he only likes the manipulation to be one sided and doesn't like when women treat him like he treats them. Strange thing about that "teaching people their place" stuff.... sometimes you don't end up on top.

I really wish people would read instead of skim and assume. I've never once said I like to make a slave feel like trash. I said there's times when I believe a slave needs to be taken down a notch or two. (1) Not every slave. Just some. And I never said I shaved the slave that lost the bet. I correspond with her. I've never met her. I actually said I quite often find a bald headed slave sexy or hot. But instead, several of you seem to think I'm just all about humiliation. (2) Which your opinion of me really doesn't matter to me. You're welcome to whatever opinion you derive. But a few of you truly get what I'm trying to express and it's to you, I applaud

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(1) Same thing. What do you think happens when you take someone "down a notch or two?"

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(2) Except you just said you enjoy taking slaves down.

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ORIGINAL: RockaRolla

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

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ORIGINAL: UnholyBear

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

....Yet some subs need to be stripped of their vanity for a multitude of reasons, to better serve their Dom/me, and often themselves. To what extent that happens depends on the people involved.

In your opinion, why would this be necessary? How does stripping a sub's sense of vanity makes their ability to serve better?

To get past pretenses when they exist. Vanity is a sad replacement for real confidence.

Can you provide any meaningful difference between the two? I've often seen vanity used to mean "confidence that wasn't dependent on my approval."

Also, that doesn't explain how vanity prevents one from serving effectively. Unless service includes "feed my ego whenever possible?"

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ORIGINAL: ChrchofDrk

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(1) Same thing. What do you think happens when you take someone "down a notch or two?"

They learn lessons that are important

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(2) Except you just said you enjoy taking slaves down.

No I said I think some need taken down. I don't see the word "enjoy" anywhere in that

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I may not always enjoy the process, but I do enjoy the final outcome.

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ORIGINAL: ChrchofDrk

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(1) Same thing. What do you think happens when you take someone "down a notch or two?"

They learn lessons that are important

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ORIGINAL: RockaRolla

They also feel like trash.

And given the context of this thread, I'm still trying to figure out what important lesson is learned by having her head shaved for your enjoyment. After all, if head shaving is a hard limit, she MUST be vain! Going by a previous comment of yours.

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ORIGINAL: RockaRolla

They also feel like trash.

And given the context of this thread, I'm still trying to figure out what important lesson is learned by having her head shaved for your enjoyment. After all, if head shaving is a hard limit, she MUST be vain! Going by a previous comment of yours.

No one has said anything about going past a hard limit. In fact, OP asked if it was a hard limit, likely to understand why.

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My comment was not directed to you, but to the OP, who ignored it, which tells me everything I need to know about their lack of empathy and humanity.

I didn't ignore it. I read it, considered it and moved on. You're welcome to your opinion. The point of the post has nothing at all to do with medical or religious concerns or the oppression of women. yet that's where you and a couple others went. What your responses do show is just how precious and protective most of you feel of having your hair. That would make shaving your head a hard limit and make the point of just how vain you may well be. Again. that's up to you not me.

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ORIGINAL: ChrchofDrk

Now I'm dismissing people. Cool. Please go back and read carefully. I see no point in splitting hairs with you

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ORIGINAL: RockaRolla

Look. You can claim it's just for enjoyment, that it's not just a humiliation kink. But you've made several comments in this thread that undermine that statement.

There was your story about the vain slave friend who had to shave her head to learn a lesson about manipulating people.
Then there was dismissing those who aren't into your kink as vain.
Then about how some slaves should have their head shaved in order to "Take them down a notch," presumably regarding how vain they are.
Then the comment about how pride/vanity is a mortal sin.

I still don't know what pride in one's appearance messes with the ability to serve. Neither of you (OP or JV) seem to be able to answer that, other than it makes you hard.

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ORIGINAL: RockaRolla

Look. You can claim it's just for enjoyment, that it's not just a humiliation kink. But you've made several comments in this thread that undermine that statement.

There was your story about the vain slave friend who had to shave her head to learn a lesson about manipulating people.
Then there was dismissing those who aren't into your kink as vain.
Then about how some slaves should have their head shaved in order to "Take them down a notch," presumably regarding how vain they are.
Then the comment about how pride/vanity is a mortal sin.

I still don't know what pride in one's appearance messes with the ability to serve. Neither of you (OP or JV) seem to be able to answer that, other than it makes you hard.

Is it pride in one's appearance that is the behavior to be changed? Or vanity? Which, I guess, is pride to the excess.

I can definitely see how vanity can affect the ability to serve. I can think of a couple of examples using just myself. One time, I tried to hide the way I looked from him. To keep myself hidden, I disobeyed him. That was bad. Another time, I didn't want him to see something of me from before I knew him. I fought and kicked and screamed (metaphorically speaking) and it only made him think that whatever it was I didn't want him to see was so much worse than it actually was. Finally, I said (and this is pretty much exactly what I said so it fits in here well) "I would rather lose my pride than have you think something of me that isn't true."

I'm sure I'm not the only person this happens to. I'm not so vain to think that I'm that unique. (Ha!)

Pride in appearance, though? Personally, I think that's a valuable trait and something I wish people could more easily feel. But pride to excess, to when it gets in the way of - in this case - obedience, should certainly be addressed, in my opinion.

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yep. Whatever ..... in case you're confused. That's being dismissive