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Lucylastic -> RE: Why they riot (5/2/2015 8:37:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub No Lucy I see reality...I demand answers not lame excuses.. I challenge you to show one of my posts that did not have truth in it...just one. The truth is just that.. the reality of what happened. Just because you don't agree does not change these basic truths. If blacks are killing blacks 80 to 1 in my town how is making people realize this is happening blame? If blacks are playing knock out games... if blacks are assaulting people on the streets.. If blacks are having gun battles on our highways... if blacks are killing children during drive by shootings... how is this anything but the truth...not blame. Until people address what is really important I will keep pointing the TRUTH out. This is not being a racist to wonder WHY. The why is what I want to talk about and it sure as hell is not the police that are the cause or problem. Butch thats your opinion Butch, nothing more, you havent demanded answers, you have made lame excuses in your posts, nothing more.

kdsub -> RE: Why they riot (5/2/2015 8:44:21 AM)
Lucy I believe talk is what is needed... real truthful talk... but someone saying i can't understand because i am not of their color will solve nothing. If this is a white on black problem then the facts of this discrimination need to come out... If there is blame then lets face it... but both sides must be willing to accept blame. Do you really think 200 plus black on black murders in St. Louis are ALL the FAULT of some kind of discrimination...Is it all the fault of Police that black on white crime in St. Louis is skyrocketing? There has to be reasons for all of this crap but it is dumb ass to talk about white shoes and black ones. Butch

kdsub -> RE: Why they riot (5/2/2015 8:46:23 AM)
It is NOT opinion Lucy... all those things are happening... shall I send you the stories just this morning... of the black child shot during a drive by... of the two black women found shot to death.... of the black armed robberies... JUST TODAY... let me know I've some time.... Then tell me again it is lame opinion. Butch

BamaD -> RE: Why they riot (5/2/2015 8:47:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Lucy I believe talk is what is needed... real truthful talk... but someone saying i can't understand because i am not of their color will solve nothing. If this is a white on black problem then the facts of this discrimination need to come out... If there is blame then lets face it... but both sides must be willing to accept blame. Do you really think 200 plus black on black murders in St. Louis are ALL the FAULT of some kind of discrimination...Is it all the fault of Police that black on white crime in St. Louis is skyrocketing? There has to be reasons for all of this crap but it is dumb ass to talk about white shoes and black ones. Butch Saying you are not black so you can't understand is another way of saying that you can't disagree because anyone who disagrees is either ignorant or bigoted. Whether there is racism and what to do about it is a completely separate question from why people riot. I have known a number of racists, almost as many were black as were white. Before we discuss racism that fact has to be acknowledged. People steel and burn because they are thugs. Thugism has no race (just barely human) they still and burn because they like to steel and burn. They think they have the right to take anything they want because they are strong enough too. They follow the law of the jungle which in case some are unaware of this does nothing to advance anyone's rights.

kdsub -> RE: Why they riot (5/2/2015 8:48:53 AM)
Yes I am passionate about this... it is tragic... I want it to stop... I want my city to prosper and all its citizens along with it... but we MUST face reality. Butch

kdsub -> RE: Why they riot (5/2/2015 8:54:22 AM)
Bama I've worked under over with and alongside blacks all my life... They are just people... no different than you are I.. they want the same things the same things piss them off... I have no problems understanding them and they I... Marini has no problem thinking she understands me... but of course I can not understand her or other blacks... and they call me arrogant...Will if saying this way of thinking is arrogant then I will be arrogant proudly. Butch

BamaD -> RE: Why they riot (5/2/2015 8:57:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Bama I've worked under over with and alongside blacks all my life... They are just people... no different than you are I.. they want the same things the same things piss them off... I have no problems understanding them and they I... Marini has no problem thinking she understands me... but of course I can not understand her or other blacks... and they call me arrogant...Will if saying this way of thinking is arrogant then I will be arrogant proudly. Butch I have as well, blacks are individuals just like white people are. I refuse to lump all blacks are the same or think the same any more than I am willing to think that all whites think and act the same.

slvemike4u -> RE: Why they riot (5/2/2015 9:04:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: know many people feel they really KNOW how other people feel/and think, when in fact you have NO idea how you would REALLY feel IF you were in their shoes. You know... when discussing my posts it is ok to talk with me directly... I respect your point of view even though I don't always agree.. Oh by the way there were white people rioting in Seattle I would like to talk and compare this with the riots in Baltimore... but of course since these were mostly white you are not qualified because you have no idea what it is like to be in a white persons shoes. I guess i will have to find white people to talk about it with... boy that really solves problems in America with race relations doesn't it. Butch Did I have an excuse to cheat in college? (I didn't) Middle aged white conservative in a traditionally black university where several professors refused to allow me to participate in class discussion for up to a month into classes. One professor who resented me because I not only disagreed with her a lot, but had better sources than she did(that one was white) All the time listening to crap about my "white privilege". The point is those things would have been excuses to cheat, and people who want to cheat would have used them. People, both black and white want an excuse to steal, the don't burn and steel because of outrage, they burn and steel because that is what they want to do. Sorry Bama....the point here is that you think white privilege is "crap" everything else you had to say is sort of drowned out by that ridiculous statement

slvemike4u -> RE: Why they riot (5/2/2015 9:08:46 AM)
Wasn't it John F Kennedy himself that asked white america a basic question,to wit: who amongst us(white people) would be okay with switching skin color ? Fifty plus years later the question remains....You can deny white privilege all you want,but if you are white in America and lay claim to being okay with the proposition of being born black instead....One of two things must be true:A ) you are lying to yourself , or B) you are lying to your audience. That much is,to me ,very simple .

DaddySatyr -> RE: Why they riot (5/2/2015 9:17:58 AM)
Butch, there does seem to be an element of: "We know how you think. We know what your experiences are. But you don't know what ours are." thinking. I'm not convinced (entirely) that it comes from any particular genetic division. I've had white liberals who think they know what my life is about who try to tell me what I believe or what I think or how I feel about issues and they are more than dead wrong. I could recite the litany, but what is the point? I think you cry for honest and open discussion is an excellent one, but as long as the prevailing attitude is: "If a white person mentions race, they're a racist" we'll never get there. When people bring what they think are hard truths to light (True enough, they may only be anecdotal opinion), they are frequently shouted down. When someone tells me that I don't know what it is to be passed over for a job or promotion because of race, I laugh at them because I came of age during the an intensification of affirmative action. I *have* lost jobs to less qualified people because the companies needed "more racial diversity in middle management positions". The only argument the other side can have that fits their narrative is to negate my experience; the very thing they claim is being done to them. We will continue to have issues in this country until the mind readers and empaths take the shit out of their ears (and heads) and start listening, as well as demanding. Michael

kdsub -> RE: Why they riot (5/2/2015 9:19:25 AM)
Then why Mike are not blacks in my area pointing out this privilege so it can be dealt with... but instead they are complaining about the price they pay for breaking the law... dumb... don't break the damn law... I live under the very same traffic laws as they. Or blaming the police, where some blame is certainly valid, exclusively for all their problems instead of striving for real change. I do believe that most whites are not racists... they, me included, for years believed there was equal opportunity... There certainly is where I worked. When this first came down in my area it was a surprise... truly...most white people want there to be no discrimination... most live their lives thinking of blacks as just other people and fellow citizens... They want there to be equal opportunity and want to work towards this end if there is a problem. The direction is wrong... it is separating people rather than bringing them together... and the tone of this thread proves that. Butch

slvemike4u -> RE: Why they riot (5/2/2015 9:22:42 AM)
Not the issue my post was addressed to Butch. My post had to do with a poster who declared privilege "crap" Two questions for you Do you feel white privilege is indeed a bullshit proposition ? Would you be okay with having been born black in this country ?

kdsub -> RE: Why they riot (5/2/2015 9:29:34 AM)
I am afraid Michael no matter how your life was affected it can never be as bad as black lives were affected... or that is the general thought. When you ask for facts and reasons... yes you are a racists because... will ...because.... you are not black. If I were to say the truth of what my black friends here in the county were saying about the protests in Ferguson I could be banned... but suffice to say they have little respect for them. But of course not wearing their shoes I must not hear it and pass it on will.... because.... will.... I'd be racists to repeat black thought. How the hell will we ever get this straight with these attitudes? Butch

kdsub -> RE: Why they riot (5/2/2015 9:34:36 AM)
Yes... I am 4 percent black now...lol or that is what my DNA says... and another 4 percent Jew too. And not least 3 percent Neanderthal. Mike where I worked and grew up there was NO privilege... there is no privilege in my heart ... in my family either. I really do not know about Ferguson... I want to know...all they have to do is tell me and show me...they have not done so. Butch

bounty44 -> RE: Why they riot (5/2/2015 9:39:02 AM)
just a quick interjection---what you said reminded me of an experience I had a few years ago. I had a phone interview for a position I would have loved to have gotten at a well reputed/academically select university. having a sense of that he could be forthright with me, the interviewer said, "if it were up to me, id hire you in a minute, but to be honest, you are the wrong color or gender." I have considered on more than one occasion to change the name on my resume to azisi firooz, and sprinkle a few muslim or black references here and there, and see what kind of response I get.

BamaD -> RE: Why they riot (5/2/2015 9:41:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Butch, there does seem to be an element of: "We know how you think. We know what your experiences are. But you don't know what ours are." thinking. I'm not convinced (entirely) that it comes from any particular genetic division. I've had white liberals who think they know what my life is about who try to tell me what I believe or what I think or how I feel about issues and they are more than dead wrong. I could recite the litany, but what is the point? I think you cry for honest and open discussion is an excellent one, but as long as the prevailing attitude is: "If a white person mentions race, they're a racist" we'll never get there. When people bring what they think are hard truths to light (True enough, they may only be anecdotal opinion), they are frequently shouted down. When someone tells me that I don't know what it is to be passed over for a job or promotion because of race, I laugh at them because I came of age during the an intensification of affirmative action. I *have* lost jobs to less qualified people because the companies needed "more racial diversity in middle management positions". The only argument the other side can have that fits their narrative is to negate my experience; the very thing they claim is being done to them. We will continue to have issues in this country until the mind readers and empaths take the shit out of their ears (and heads) and start listening, as well as demanding. Michael I actually had a black woman tell me that black people understand whites but whites do understand blacks. I told her that most of what black people say about whites is as far off as she was claiming whites were about blacks. Maybe I shouldn't have told her that, she was my boss. She said they dealt with whites more, I pointed out that if you did something wrong 1000 times they were just real good at doing it wrong.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Why they riot (5/2/2015 9:49:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I am afraid Michael no matter how your life was affected it can never be as bad as black lives were affected... or that is the general thought. When you ask for facts and reasons... yes you are a racists because... will ...because.... you are not black. If I were to say the truth of what my black friends here in the county were saying about the protests in Ferguson I could be banned... but suffice to say they have little respect for them. But of course not wearing their shoes I must not hear it and pass it on will.... because.... will.... I'd be racists to repeat black thought. How the hell will we ever get this straight with these attitudes? Butch I'm going to assume that last wasn't a rhetorical question and I have a thought: If people would stop thinking about themselves as African American and White American, if we didn't hear things like: "White America needs to ...", if the racism of assuming that white skin = evil would stop, if people would start identifying as people, as Americans (with no hyphenated prefix), we *might* start getting somewhere. The bigger issue, however, is that there are people who make their living and have built their entire career on rabble rousing. Jackson, Sharpton, and Maddux (the unholy trinity) come to my mind, immediately. They have a vested interest in keeping Americans at each other's throats. I am trying desperately not to bring politics into it but the truth is; these rousers of rabble also tend to suggest (direct/incite/choose your verb) that these people that they irritate to the point of rioting vote for a particular party. The invocation of "Hymietown" and a law suit based upon ruining lives for no good reason other than to incite discord all forgotten. I despise Stephen A. Smith on ESPN but he said something a few weeks back that was astonishingly insightful. I refuse to do other peoples' research for them so I will be paraphrasing. Smith said: "If all the black people in this country would vote republican, just once, in one election, the democrats might realize that they can no longer count on the black vote to always go their way. It will change the way they do business with the black community." Wow! Could you imagine? Now, this is based in some form of fact since the black vote has been solidly democrat-owned for a very long time. Would that help? Honestly, I think it might; on both sides of the aisle. I think you'd find both parties scrambling to find new strategies (one to maintain their new base and one to regain it). Some of those strategies may even wind up being beneficial (Even a blind squirrel finds a nut, occasionally). That's all I've got. Michael

DaddySatyr -> RE: Why they riot (5/2/2015 9:57:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 just a quick interjection---what you said reminded me of an experience I had a few years ago. I had a phone interview for a position I would have loved to have gotten at a well reputed/academically select university. having a sense of that he could be forthright with me, the interviewer said, "if it were up to me, id hire you in a minute, but to be honest, you are the wrong color or gender." I have considered on more than one occasion to change the name on my resume to azisi firooz, and sprinkle a few muslim or black references here and there, and see what kind of response I get. quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I actually had a black woman tell me that black people understand whites but whites do understand blacks. I told her that most of what black people say about whites is as far off as she was claiming whites were about blacks. Maybe I shouldn't have told her that, she was my boss. She said they dealt with whites more, I pointed out that if you did something wrong 1000 times they were just real good at doing it wrong. Bounty, Once (around 1983 or '84), when companies were allowed to ask about race on applications. The wording was: "What do you consider yourself to be?" Since I believe the Garden of Eden was in Northern Africa, I checked off: "African American" on one form and "Caucasian" on another. The interviewer wanted to shit his pants (and could not hide the fact that he was shocked/disappointed) because of how I looked, walking in the door. He looked at me and shuffled through his papers and said: "I'm sorry but you don't *look* black to me." I told him he didn't sound black (If I closed my eyes, I would have sworn I was being interviewed by Humphrey Bogart) and could we get on with the interview. P.S. I didn't get the job. Bama, I will never forget the first person who said to me: "Of course you're a racist. Look at the color of your skin!" Oh, the irony! Michael

HunterCA -> RE: Why they riot (5/2/2015 10:15:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 I watched a lot of the coverage of this last night and one of the things that came up was the idea of the city attorney's "rush to judgment" in her charges of the officers in question and the mayor's ill-used phrase of "justice for Freddie." the former might be problematic because the charges, in the eyes of some legal experts ive been listening to, might be an overreach. the latter is problematic because it implies knowledge that the police are already guilty. in both cases, this is going to put a tremendous amount of pressure on the trial. my supposition would be, if the people don't get the convictions they want there is likely going to be more rioting. that said, imagine the pressure the jurors are going to feel in making their judgments. The City Attorney couldn't rush to judgment because the City Attorney knew half the cops were black and one was a black woman. I don't want to speculate here how things would have been different if they were six white males. But I have an opinion.

HunterCA -> RE: Why they riot (5/2/2015 10:16:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy One thing about lawyers, they come in contact and represent a great deal of different types of people. We learn about their lives, troubles, goals, challenges, etc. Lawyers often have some of the best insights and often work on the front lines of important social issues. Most of Angelos clients are class action plaintiffs, and the bulk of those he represents are blue collar employees. Bethlehem Steel used to be the largest employer in Baltimore. Now, its GONE. IF you drive in BALTO roads, you'd think the USA was a third world country. We can only wonder in dumbfounded terms what the opportunity cost of endless wars in Afghanistan and IRAQ have cost us back home. MNOT believes we should abandon globalization and go back to protectionism. Bernie Sanders is against the Asian Trade Deal (new Presidential nominee.) Or 22 trillion dollars on the great society or 70 years of liberal mismanagement of Baltamore. Gees.

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