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What amazes me Michael is the perception of racism as opposed to reality. There is no blame to be had because of the progress of instant communication and the internet but it has changed how quickly perceptions are accepted. Now opinions are formed almost instantly and they are often wrong.

People just assume that what they read or hear is the truth without taking to the time find out the facts. When a tragedy like Ferguson… or a crime like Carolina and Baltimore happens the perception is all police are racists and so are all whites. … and whites think all blacks are thugs and looters. I hope we as humans learn how to deal with instant information and learn that perception is not always fact.

Butch

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just a quick interjection---what you said reminded me of an experience I had a few years ago.

I had a phone interview for a position I would have loved to have gotten at a well reputed/academically select university. having a sense of that he could be forthright with me, the interviewer said, "if it were up to me, id hire you in a minute, but to be honest, you are the wrong color or gender."

I have considered on more than one occasion to change the name on my resume to azisi firooz, and sprinkle a few muslim or black references here and there, and see what kind of response I get.

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I actually had a black woman tell me that black people understand whites but whites do understand blacks. I told her that most of what black people say about whites is as far off as she was claiming whites were about blacks.
Maybe I shouldn't have told her that, she was my boss. She said they dealt with whites more, I pointed out that if you did something wrong 1000 times they were just real good at doing it wrong.

Bounty, Once (around 1983 or '84), when companies were allowed to ask about race on applications. The wording was: "What do you consider yourself to be?"

Since I believe the Garden of Eden was in Northern Africa, I checked off: "African American" on one form and "Caucasian" on another. The interviewer wanted to shit his pants (and could not hide the fact that he was shocked/disappointed) because of how I looked, walking in the door. He looked at me and shuffled through his papers and said: "I'm sorry but you don't look black to me." I told him he didn't sound black (If I closed my eyes, I would have sworn I was being interviewed by Humphrey Bogart) and could we get on with the interview.

P.S. I didn't get the job.

Bama, I will never forget the first person who said to me: "Of course you're a racist. Look at the color of your skin!" Oh, the irony!



Michael

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Just an exaggeration to make a point of the influence of the media today... I know not every white thinks all blacks are thugs and not all blacks think all whites are racists... but there is a good portion that do exactly that and the media contributes to this.

Butch

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i think I recall seeing mention of the phrase "white guilt" either here, or another thread recently.

I strongly suspect "white privilege" and "white guilt" are intimately related and their usage lies almost exclusively in liberal-dom.

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Lucy I believe talk is what is needed... real truthful talk... but someone saying i can't understand because i am not of their color will solve nothing. If this is a white on black problem then the facts of this discrimination need to come out... If there is blame then lets face it... but both sides must be willing to accept blame. Do you really think 200 plus black on black murders in St. Louis are ALL the FAULT of some kind of discrimination...Is it all the fault of Police that black on white crime in St. Louis is skyrocketing? There has to be reasons for all of this crap but it is dumb ass to talk about white shoes and black ones.

Butch

Saying you are not black so you can't understand is another way of saying that you can't disagree because anyone who disagrees is either ignorant or bigoted.

Whether there is racism and what to do about it is a completely separate question from why people riot.

I have known a number of racists, almost as many were black as were white.
Before we discuss racism that fact has to be acknowledged.

People steel and burn because they are thugs. Thugism has no race (just barely human) they still and burn because they like to steel and burn. They think they have the right to take anything they want because they are strong enough too. They follow the law of the jungle which in case some are unaware of this does nothing to advance anyone's rights.

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Lucy I believe talk is what is needed... real truthful talk... but someone saying i can't understand because i am not of their color will solve nothing. If this is a white on black problem then the facts of this discrimination need to come out... If there is blame then lets face it... but both sides must be willing to accept blame. Do you really think 200 plus black on black murders in St. Louis are ALL the FAULT of some kind of discrimination...Is it all the fault of Police that black on white crime in St. Louis is skyrocketing? There has to be reasons for all of this crap but it is dumb ass to talk about white shoes and black ones.

Butch

Saying you are not black so you can't understand is another way of saying that you can't disagree because anyone who disagrees is either ignorant or bigoted.

Whether there is racism and what to do about it is a completely separate question from why people riot.

I have known a number of racists, almost as many were black as were white.
Before we discuss racism that fact has to be acknowledged.

People steel and burn because they are thugs. Thugism has no race (just barely human) they still and burn because they like to steel and burn. They think they have the right to take anything they want because they are strong enough too. They follow the law of the jungle which in case some are unaware of this does nothing to advance anyone's rights.

Actually I think that the Thuggees were Asian. Indian, specifically.

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i think I recall seeing mention of the phrase "white guilt" either here, or another thread recently.

I strongly suspect "white privilege" and "white guilt" are intimately related and their usage lies almost exclusively in liberal-dom.

The term "white privilege" is used to create "white guilt".

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Lucy I believe talk is what is needed... real truthful talk... but someone saying i can't understand because i am not of their color will solve nothing. If this is a white on black problem then the facts of this discrimination need to come out... If there is blame then lets face it... but both sides must be willing to accept blame. Do you really think 200 plus black on black murders in St. Louis are ALL the FAULT of some kind of discrimination...Is it all the fault of Police that black on white crime in St. Louis is skyrocketing? There has to be reasons for all of this crap but it is dumb ass to talk about white shoes and black ones.

Butch

Saying you are not black so you can't understand is another way of saying that you can't disagree because anyone who disagrees is either ignorant or bigoted.

Whether there is racism and what to do about it is a completely separate question from why people riot.

I have known a number of racists, almost as many were black as were white.
Before we discuss racism that fact has to be acknowledged.

People steel and burn because they are thugs. Thugism has no race (just barely human) they still and burn because they like to steel and burn. They think they have the right to take anything they want because they are strong enough too. They follow the law of the jungle which in case some are unaware of this does nothing to advance anyone's rights.

Actually I think that the Thuggees were Asian. Indian, specifically.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Lucy I believe talk is what is needed... real truthful talk... but someone saying i can't understand because i am not of their color will solve nothing. If this is a white on black problem then the facts of this discrimination need to come out... If there is blame then lets face it... but both sides must be willing to accept blame. Do you really think 200 plus black on black murders in St. Louis are ALL the FAULT of some kind of discrimination...Is it all the fault of Police that black on white crime in St. Louis is skyrocketing? There has to be reasons for all of this crap but it is dumb ass to talk about white shoes and black ones.

Butch

Saying you are not black so you can't understand is another way of saying that you can't disagree because anyone who disagrees is either ignorant or bigoted.

Whether there is racism and what to do about it is a completely separate question from why people riot.

I have known a number of racists, almost as many were black as were white.
Before we discuss racism that fact has to be acknowledged.

People steel and burn because they are thugs. Thugism has no race (just barely human) they still and burn because they like to steel and burn. They think they have the right to take anything they want because they are strong enough too. They follow the law of the jungle which in case some are unaware of this does nothing to advance anyone's rights.

Actually I think that the Thuggees were Asian. Indian, specifically.

I posted the origins of the word in the "Thug is the new N word "thread......so once again I got there first aylee.....lol

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One thing about lawyers, they come in contact and represent a great deal of different types of people. We learn about their lives, troubles, goals, challenges, etc.

Lawyers often have some of the best insights and often work on the front lines of important social issues. Most of Angelos clients are class action plaintiffs, and the bulk of those he represents are blue collar employees.

Bethlehem Steel used to be the largest employer in Baltimore. Now, its GONE. IF you drive in BALTO roads, you'd think the USA was a third world country.

We can only wonder in dumbfounded terms what the opportunity cost of endless wars in Afghanistan and IRAQ have cost us back home.

MNOT believes we should abandon globalization and go back to protectionism. Bernie Sanders is against the Asian Trade Deal (new Presidential nominee.)

Or 22 trillion dollars on the great society or 70 years of liberal mismanagement of Baltamore. Gees.

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One thing about lawyers, they come in contact and represent a great deal of different types of people. We learn about their lives, troubles, goals, challenges, etc.

Lawyers often have some of the best insights and often work on the front lines of important social issues. Most of Angelos clients are class action plaintiffs, and the bulk of those he represents are blue collar employees.

Bethlehem Steel used to be the largest employer in Baltimore. Now, its GONE. IF you drive in BALTO roads, you'd think the USA was a third world country.

We can only wonder in dumbfounded terms what the opportunity cost of endless wars in Afghanistan and IRAQ have cost us back home.

MNOT believes we should abandon globalization and go back to protectionism. Bernie Sanders is against the Asian Trade Deal (new Presidential nominee.)

Or 22 trillion dollars on the great society or 70 years of liberal mismanagement of Baltamore. Gees.

I was waiting for one like this. First there is the presumption that they are to go out an get a job and stop being addicted to welfare and/or other forms of assistance. But that creates another presumption. That the jobs are out there. They are not and that's issue in the Angelos quote.

Then there is the lack of enforcement of real estate laws against the slum lords so cities have created the 'new' ghetto, where businesses will not relocate. Then these poor are if they own, are dunned for real estate taxes that those same businesses don't pay as inducement to move to Balt, or wherever and do not hire from the 'new' ghetto.

The psychologists call this the psychology of despair where for 40 years, noting has changed in these neighborhoods no matter the assistance much of which goes to the working poor who are not part of the original argument for 'why they riot.'

Until govt. treats ALL areas and taxes and promotes ALL areas of a city, creating the same business environment as 'white' Balt., this problem will continue to exist with the same frustrations and the same results.

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Just an exaggeration to make a point of the influence of the media today... I know not every white thinks all blacks are thugs and not all blacks think all whites are racists... but there is a good portion that do exactly that and the media contributes to this.

Butch

Butch, the media is caught up in post modern thought/ liberal philosophy. Multi-culturalism and feminism are really just two examples. They purport to deconstruct the white male patriarchy and revise history to include all voices, which I have some sympathy for and don't believe history should just be written by the dominant winners.

But it's really gotten to an evil extreme. Racism is defined as a person with power being prejudice against a minority. So, by definition no minority is racist and their attitudes don't need to be part of the public discussion. Same for feminist misogyny. They also then define equal outcomes rather than equal opportunity as being "fair" regardless of personal responsibility or initiative.

So Bama, in the liberal philosophy, because your boss was a black female you would always have power and she wouldn't and therefore you would always be assume the racist misogynist in your relationship with her. In their minds, until twentfive govnors and fifty senators are female, with the appropriate mix of colors, we live in a racist, misogynist society and it's the white male patriarchies fault.

The corollary being that since it's the white male fault, he has privilege at the expense of everyone else and therefore cannot understand and needn't be included in the discussion. The whole white male privilege is an evil concept couched in deceptive terms that play emotionally in the press because all it really means is that we're now going to take our turn being exclusionary and define revisionist history our way and leave out the voice of the white male. M