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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Shipping jobs overseas, a depressed minimum wage, troubled schools, and the drug war haven't helped.

The NYT had a stunning article about how 1.5 Million Black men are simply missing.

Whites ages 25-54: 100 women and 99 men

Blacks ages 25-54: 100 women and 87 men

I watched the fight last night and it came out that Mayweather's father was put in prison for five years. Death and Prison have essentially disappeared 1.5M black men. Jaw dropping.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/20/upshot/missing-black-men.html?abt=0002&abg=1&_r=0

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Better to stop the drug war, frankly. The Police target poor areas for drug enforcement and a cycle of arrests and violence ensues. It's really hard to see the upside.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Shipping jobs overseas, a depressed minimum wage, troubled schools, and the drug war haven't helped.

The NYT had a stunning article about how 1.5 Million Black men are simply missing.

Whites ages 25-54: 100 women and 99 men

Blacks ages 25-54: 100 women and 87 men

I watched the fight last night and it came out that Mayweather's father was put in prison for five years. Death and Prison have essentially disappeared 1.5M black men. Jaw dropping.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/20/upshot/missing-black-men.html?abt=0002&abg=1&_r=0

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Better to stop the drug war, frankly. The Police target poor areas for drug enforcement and a cycle of arrests and violence ensues. It's really hard to see the upside.

Police target areas with the drug dealers, to be fair should they target low crime areas? Then you could whine about how the don't protect the poor.
Things like the law that lead to the Gardner killing are worse.
Right, surrender on another front.
What will be left when we surrender everywhere you want us to?
Annexation by Mexico?

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
Do I have privilege as a white male? From everything I've read...yes.
Should I feel guilty about that? No. I can't help the fact that I was born a white male into a society started by white males and therefore, naturally set up FOR them. None of us can change the color skin we are born with nor the gender were born with. So feeling guilty about something that is not chosen by us would be a waste of time.
Should I be aware that my status as a white, Christian male allows me to do certain things that others cannot? Yes, I should...
a. I can walk alone at night without fear of being raped. (A fear any sane woman has to carry)
b. I don't have to worry about being harassed because of my sexual orientation...straight. (How many gay men and women can say the same?)
C. I've never felt like the "token white person", nor made to feel that way, at any gathering I was invited to by a BLACK or brown friend.
O.k., so these are all things that my male white privilege extends to me. So...if I should not feel guilty, why should I be aware? So that I remember that some don't have that status. Their CHARACTER may be every bit as stellar as my own...hell, perhaps even better...and yet they can't do certain things I can, or fear doing certain things I can, or are subject to certain things that I am not BECAUSE they were not born the same color or gender. Those people, in possession of true quality of character and with the ability, should be helped and that takes awareness. But just not awareness of the reality but awareness that while some are held down simply because of their skin color or their gender or their sexual orientation, many are held down because of their own nature...Their lack of character, drive, ability, etc.. There is not, inside every single black man, the ability or the character or the intelligence to be president...anymore than there is in every woman, every gay, every non-Christian or, for that matter, every white man. Should everyone have the opportunity? Yes. Will all take advantage of the opportunity and WORK for it? No.
Awareness...so we make Opportunities...Yes.
Awareness...made to feel guilty...Granting unfair Advantage because of that guilt...No.
See here:
http://occupywallstreet.net/story/explaining-white-privilege-broke-white-person

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

yeah ...barretta was nearly 40 years ago, time to come into the 21st century and not just throw platitudes.

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he Police target poor areas for drug enforcement

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Since liberalism is the answer why haven't they fixed it in 50 years?

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Shipping jobs overseas, a depressed minimum wage, troubled schools, and the drug war haven't helped.

The NYT had a stunning article about how 1.5 Million Black men are simply missing.

Whites ages 25-54: 100 women and 99 men

Blacks ages 25-54: 100 women and 87 men

I watched the fight last night and it came out that Mayweather's father was put in prison for five years. Death and Prison have essentially disappeared 1.5M black men. Jaw dropping.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/20/upshot/missing-black-men.html?abt=0002&abg=1&_r=0

my understanding of "shipping jobs overseas" is because corporate tax rates and unionization drive up costs.

those are essentially democrat/liberal positions. I agree with what you said, but you (the generic you) cannot create the conditions by which events unfold, and then bemoan their unfolding.

minimum wage jobs are not meant to be a "living wage." they are meant for part time workers who are young and just getting started and whose skill and experience level match their worth. in any event, even people working full time at minimum wage can get by, and do relatively well.

troubled schools---I agree, but democrats and school unions are at the forefront of fighting of all the successful innovation when it comes to fixing elementary and secondary school problems.

the "war on drugs" may indeed be locking some people up who are what others might call "non violent offenders" or "non violent users"---but I don't buy those monikers. what would you have police do---ignore people for their behavior that harms society? and to echo whats been said prior---don't do the crime if you cant do the time. drugs are a choice people make and if the substance is illegal, then its a doubly stupid choice.

you would think---as I believe bama asked---at some point you would say "hey, our progressive/liberalism isn't working" so lets try something else.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

One thing about lawyers, they come in contact and represent a great deal of different types of people. We learn about their lives, troubles, goals, challenges, etc.

Lawyers often have some of the best insights and often work on the front lines of important social issues. Most of Angelos clients are class action plaintiffs, and the bulk of those he represents are blue collar employees.

Bethlehem Steel used to be the largest employer in Baltimore. Now, its GONE. IF you drive in BALTO roads, you'd think the USA was a third world country.

We can only wonder in dumbfounded terms what the opportunity cost of endless wars in Afghanistan and IRAQ have cost us back home.

MNOT believes we should abandon globalization and go back to protectionism. Bernie Sanders is against the Asian Trade Deal (new Presidential nominee.)

Or 22 trillion dollars on the great society or 70 years of liberal mismanagement of Baltamore. Gees.

I was waiting for one like this. First there is the presumption that they are to go out an get a job and stop being addicted to welfare and/or other forms of assistance. But that creates another presumption. That the jobs are out there. They are not and that's issue in the Angelos quote.

Then there is the lack of enforcement of real estate laws against the slum lords so cities have created the 'new' ghetto, where businesses will not relocate. Then these poor are if they own, are dunned for real estate taxes that those same businesses don't pay as inducement to move to Balt, or wherever and do not hire from the 'new' ghetto.

The psychologists call this the psychology of despair where for 40 years, noting has changed in these neighborhoods no matter the assistance much of which goes to the working poor who are not part of the original argument for 'why they riot.'

Until govt. treats ALL areas and taxes and promotes ALL areas of a city, creating the same business environment as 'white' Balt., this problem will continue to exist with the same frustrations and the same results.

Since liberalism is the answer why haven't they fixed it in 50 years?

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Shipping jobs overseas, a depressed minimum wage, troubled schools, and the drug war haven't helped.

The NYT had a stunning article about how 1.5 Million Black men are simply missing.

Whites ages 25-54: 100 women and 99 men

Blacks ages 25-54: 100 women and 87 men

I watched the fight last night and it came out that Mayweather's father was put in prison for five years. Death and Prison have essentially disappeared 1.5M black men. Jaw dropping.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/20/upshot/missing-black-men.html?abt=0002&abg=1&_r=0

my understanding of "shipping jobs overseas" is because corporate tax rates and unionization drive up costs.

those are essentially democrat/liberal positions. I agree with what you said, but you (the generic you) cannot create the conditions by which events unfold, and then bemoan their unfolding.

minimum wage jobs are not meant to be a "living wage." they are meant for part time workers who are young and just getting started and whose skill and experience level match their worth. in any event, even people working full time at minimum wage can get by, and do relatively well.

troubled schools---I agree, but democrats and school unions are at the forefront of fighting of all the successful innovation when it comes to fixing elementary and secondary school problems.

the "war on drugs" may indeed be locking some people up who are what others might call "non violent offenders" or "non violent users"---but I don't buy those monikers. what would you have police do---ignore people for their behavior that harms society? and to echo whats been said prior---don't do the crime if you cant do the time. drugs are a choice people make and if the substance is illegal, then its a doubly stupid choice.

you would think---as I believe bama asked---at some point you would say "hey, our progressive/liberalism isn't working" so lets try something else.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

yeah ...barretta was nearly 40 years ago, time to come into the 21st century and not just throw platitudes.

Karl Marx was nearly 200 years ago

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Shipping jobs overseas, a depressed minimum wage, troubled schools, and the drug war haven't helped.

The NYT had a stunning article about how 1.5 Million Black men are simply missing.

Whites ages 25-54: 100 women and 99 men

Blacks ages 25-54: 100 women and 87 men

I watched the fight last night and it came out that Mayweather's father was put in prison for five years. Death and Prison have essentially disappeared 1.5M black men. Jaw dropping.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/20/upshot/missing-black-men.html?abt=0002&abg=1&_r=0

my understanding of "shipping jobs overseas" is because corporate tax rates and unionization drive up costs.

those are essentially democrat/liberal positions. I agree with what you said, but you (the generic you) cannot create the conditions by which events unfold, and then bemoan their unfolding.

minimum wage jobs are not meant to be a "living wage." they are meant for part time workers who are young and just getting started and whose skill and experience level match their worth. in any event, even people working full time at minimum wage can get by, and do relatively well.

troubled schools---I agree, but democrats and school unions are at the forefront of fighting of all the successful innovation when it comes to fixing elementary and secondary school problems.

the "war on drugs" may indeed be locking some people up who are what others might call "non violent offenders" or "non violent users"---but I don't buy those monikers. what would you have police do---ignore people for their behavior that harms society? and to echo whats been said prior---don't do the crime if you cant do the time. drugs are a choice people make and if the substance is illegal, then its a doubly stupid choice.

you would think---as I believe bama asked---at some point you would say "hey, our progressive/liberalism isn't working" so lets try something else.

Well said. The other sad part to understand is that corporations don't pay taxes...ever. They pass that cost along to consumers making it a hidden tax on people. I really prefer no hidden taxes. We should have no taxes except one day, say April 15 when we all have to pay the Feds, the State and the local governments out of our pockets. Then Election Day would be April 16.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Shipping jobs overseas, a depressed minimum wage, troubled schools, and the drug war haven't helped.

The NYT had a stunning article about how 1.5 Million Black men are simply missing.

Whites ages 25-54: 100 women and 99 men

Blacks ages 25-54: 100 women and 87 men

I watched the fight last night and it came out that Mayweather's father was put in prison for five years. Death and Prison have essentially disappeared 1.5M black men. Jaw dropping.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/20/upshot/missing-black-men.html?abt=0002&abg=1&_r=0

my understanding of "shipping jobs overseas" is because corporate tax rates and unionization drive up costs.

those are essentially democrat/liberal positions. I agree with what you said, but you (the generic you) cannot create the conditions by which events unfold, and then bemoan their unfolding.

minimum wage jobs are not meant to be a "living wage." they are meant for part time workers who are young and just getting started and whose skill and experience level match their worth. in any event, even people working full time at minimum wage can get by, and do relatively well.

troubled schools---I agree, but democrats and school unions are at the forefront of fighting of all the successful innovation when it comes to fixing elementary and secondary school problems.

the "war on drugs" may indeed be locking some people up who are what others might call "non violent offenders" or "non violent users"---but I don't buy those monikers. what would you have police do---ignore people for their behavior that harms society? and to echo whats been said prior---don't do the crime if you cant do the time. drugs are a choice people make and if the substance is illegal, then its a doubly stupid choice.

you would think---as I believe bama asked---at some point you would say "hey, our progressive/liberalism isn't working" so lets try something else.

Well said. The other sad part to understand is that corporations don't pay taxes...ever. They pass that cost along to consumers making it a hidden tax on people. I really prefer no hidden taxes. We should have no taxes except one day, say April 15 when we all have to pay the Feds, the State and the local governments out of our pockets. Then Election Day would be April 16.

...corp, also don't then pay wages, don't create other jobs, don't pay benefits. Apparently those are a 'tax' too that the consumer pays.

Of course they pay all of those things and 'consumers' offer merely cash flow, from an arbitrary mixture of business and people all of which represent demand directly proportional to their need and ability finance their purchase...after taxes.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

yeah ...barretta was nearly 40 years ago, time to come into the 21st century and not just throw platitudes.

Karl Marx was nearly 200 years ago

.....and ?