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RE: Vatican to Recognize Palestinian State in New Treaty - 5/14/2015 7:37:51 PM   
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If nothing is launched from it, then it will not be targeted. Unless you are suggesting that they SHOULD use such a thing to store and launch munitions.


Utter bullshit, as proven by the shelling of UN compounds in Palestine last year.



The topic is the treaty between the Palestinians and the Vatican. The question I asked was about a church being built. Got anything to add? Or are you just trying to derail this?
If you were aware of the real situation of the Palestinian Christians rather than parroting Zionist propaganda claims, you would know that the first priority of Palestinian Christians' is ending the Occupation by Israel.

Palestinian Christians set out their views in a document called Kairos Palestine, in which they described the occupation as a "sin against God and humanity", called on others to support the Boycott, Divestment and economic Sanctions campaign (BDS) against the Occupation and its "apartheid laws" and affirmed the right of Palestinians to nonviolent resistance to the Occupation.
http://www.fosna.org/content/kairos-palestine-document-prayerful-call-palestinian-christians-end-occupation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Christians


Isn't "zionists" a cose word for Jews like the N word is a code word for African Americans. Why is it continually used here? It's racist and offensive.

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RE: Vatican to Recognize Palestinian State in New Treaty - 5/14/2015 8:16:59 PM   
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I could be wrong, but I have a tiny suspicion that some were not aware that there are in fact Christians in Palestine.


Historically, the church of the Nazarine in Bethleham is attended by a Moslem family. Each night they show up at the church and lock the church and every morning they attend the church and unlock it. The keys to the church are passed down through the male line of the family.

Thirty years ago a very good friend of mine was a member of that male line. In fact, his father held the keys. I used to go to mosque, here, with him from time to time. He once explained to me that while he was growing up, all the kids in the neighborhood used to go to church, mosque, synagog with their friends families all of the time. It was sorta like in my neighborhood growing up. Often times kids would jus pile into cars and go to whatever church with whatever family on any given Sunday. I must admit, I always felt very welcome at mosque. People went out of their way to make me comfortable. Of course, I was a male. I remember my buddies explained to me upon entering a mosque that they felt more comfortable taking off their shoes and washing their hands and feet, outside, before they entered to worship. I even remember one funny story, told by one of the guys as we walked to mosque how his first experience was when he came to this country and thought, "What the hell, it's all the same God and I don't see a mosque anywhere near so I'll go to a local church to worship God." The punch line of the story is he began to have doubts about the wisdom of his foray when the evangelical church wanted to put him in a white robe and dunk him in a bathtub. We all laughed.

In that group walking to the mosque were several Palestinian Christians who regularly went to mosque because, after all, it was a place to worship God in an atmosphere with an Arabic culture comfortable to them. And, at the time, the comfort and peace of worship of God was the point.

It's sad that all of that has been polluted. It's sad that the peace of the simple act of worshiping God has been polluted by politics. At the time I bemoaned when my Muslim Palestinian friends told me that they had to return home once every six months, by law, or lose their passports.

But, you know what. It's not just those dirty zionists, code word supplied from others. It's a great deal of history. Simply ignoring all of history and pointing at a group, any group, is really belittling the situation. After WWI and WWiI the victors made whole states out of the old Turkish caliphate. Isreal was just a very small state. When it was created something like five, (I'd have to look it up) neighboring countries vowed to obliterate it and marched on it with huge armies. Isreal prevailed. That's stuck in the craw of a lot of neighbors since. Isreal said any Jew from anywhere in the world may come here and be a citizen. Yet, persons displaced by the Arab invasion of Isreal in 1948 have never been given a place in any Moslem country. Isreal has a large population of Moslems that vote and have full rights of citizenship. People who are descendants of Palestinians didn't abandon their homes to make way for Arab invasion in 1948.

I'm completely aware of the full brew of people's in Isreal. I just scoff at racist who blame Zionist. It's easy to just blame this or that. It's easier to be racist and pick a side. I, personally, wish that the peace of worshiping as you please, the peace of being naive kids going to mosque, church or synagog, the peace of the promise of Abraham, for all of his defendants was brought back. And that will just not happen with blind ideology of blame and slurs like using the word zionists to belittle people.

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RE: Vatican to Recognize Palestinian State in New Treaty - 5/14/2015 8:38:46 PM   
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Double post, sorry. Tried to correct spelling of cose to Code. But would like to point out that Isreal building new apartment buildings for citizens is not claiming large swaths of land from palistinians territory. Every time Isreal does build new apartments it's all the screed about occupying more land. Ridicules.

I'd like to here People who hurl "Zionist" hate mongeing address this issue.

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RE: Vatican to Recognize Palestinian State in New Treaty - 5/15/2015 4:01:28 PM   
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If nothing is launched from it, then it will not be targeted. Unless you are suggesting that they SHOULD use such a thing to store and launch munitions.


Utter bullshit, as proven by the shelling of UN compounds in Palestine last year.



The topic is the treaty between the Palestinians and the Vatican. The question I asked was about a church being built. Got anything to add? Or are you just trying to derail this?


No derail sweetie. You made the topic "targets", so if I chose to talk about "targets" the derail was all yours.

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RE: Vatican to Recognize Palestinian State in New Treaty - 5/15/2015 4:06:12 PM   
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Isn't "zionists" a cose word for Jews like the N word is a code word for African Americans. Why is it continually used here? It's racist and offensive.


Fucking laughable stuff from you Hunter, you have just spent the last week telling me Semites are not a race.

Are you suggesting Semites are only a race when it suits your argument ?

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RE: Vatican to Recognize Palestinian State in New Treaty - 5/15/2015 4:08:44 PM   
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Double post, sorry. Tried to correct spelling of cose to Code. But would like to point out that Isreal building new apartment buildings for citizens is not claiming large swaths of land from palistinians territory. Every time Isreal does build new apartments it's all the screed about occupying more land. Ridicules.

I'd like to here People who hurl "Zionist" hate mongeing address this issue.



You really are blinkered about whose land the new apartments are being built on. I have called the settlement movement akin to ethnic cleansing and I stand by that.

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RE: Vatican to Recognize Palestinian State in New Treaty - 5/15/2015 5:21:38 PM   
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If nothing is launched from it, then it will not be targeted. Unless you are suggesting that they SHOULD use such a thing to store and launch munitions.


Utter bullshit, as proven by the shelling of UN compounds in Palestine last year.



The topic is the treaty between the Palestinians and the Vatican. The question I asked was about a church being built. Got anything to add? Or are you just trying to derail this?


No derail sweetie. You made the topic "targets", so if I chose to talk about "targets" the derail was all yours.



No, Peon brought that up, sugar shorts.

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RE: Vatican to Recognize Palestinian State in New Treaty - 5/15/2015 5:42:15 PM   
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Isn't "zionists" a cose word for Jews like the N word is a code word for African Americans. Why is it continually used here? It's racist and offensive.


Fucking laughable stuff from you Hunter, you have just spent the last week telling me Semites are not a race.

Are you suggesting Semites are only a race when it suits your argument ?


Umm? And where is the word Semite in the quote you used from me?

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RE: Vatican to Recognize Palestinian State in New Treaty - 5/15/2015 5:43:59 PM   
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Double post, sorry. Tried to correct spelling of cose to Code. But would like to point out that Isreal building new apartment buildings for citizens is not claiming large swaths of land from palistinians territory. Every time Isreal does build new apartments it's all the screed about occupying more land. Ridicules.

I'd like to here People who hurl "Zionist" hate mongeing address this issue.



You really are blinkered about whose land the new apartments are being built on. I have called the settlement movement akin to ethnic cleansing and I stand by that.

Noted. You are on record.

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RE: Vatican to Recognize Palestinian State in New Treaty - 5/15/2015 5:55:05 PM   
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No, Peon brought that up, sugar shorts.


No, it was your making your little 'political correctness gone ***mad*** ' funny, Aylee:

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So I guess construction will soon begin on the first Christian / Catholic church in "Palestine", complete with giant cross prominently displayed? Or would that hurt their feeeeelings?




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RE: Vatican to Recognize Palestinian State in New Treaty - 5/15/2015 6:05:16 PM   
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No, Peon brought that up, sugar shorts.


No, it was your making your little 'political correctness gone ***mad*** ' funny, Aylee:

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So I guess construction will soon begin on the first Christian / Catholic church in "Palestine", complete with giant cross prominently displayed? Or would that hurt their feeeeelings?






In Post #15 you brought up buildings being targeted. Specifically the new Treaty Church being targeted/not targeted.

Again, I was NOT the person that brought up targeting buildings or blowing things up.

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So I guess construction will soon begin on the first Christian / Catholic church in "Palestine", complete with giant cross prominently displayed? Or would that hurt their feeeeelings?


I think if I were a Palestinian, 'hurt feelings' would be of a totally different order to the ones we're used to here in Europe or the USA. I'd imagine: You get through the day without getting a limb blown off, you probably feel fine with the world. Besides, a church built especially to honour the Pope? Might, just might, be a place of sanctuary that the IDF would hesitate to target during the next conflict.


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RE: Vatican to Recognize Palestinian State in New Treaty - 5/15/2015 6:10:24 PM   
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If nothing is launched from it, then it will not be targeted. Unless you are suggesting that they SHOULD use such a thing to store and launch munitions.


Utter bullshit, as proven by the shelling of UN compounds in Palestine last year.




Let's see:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4549474,00.html

IDF asks UN to evacuate for three days, it doesn't. Hamas starts to lob bombs at the IDF from around the UN compound. As they are often want to do from homes, schools, and mosques. IDF lob shells back at Hamas and hits UN compound. And that proves Aylee is wrong in saying if Hamas doesn't hide/shoot from the church it won't be a target how?

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RE: Vatican to Recognize Palestinian State in New Treaty - 5/15/2015 6:14:11 PM   
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In Post #15 you brought up buildings being targeted. Specifically the new Treaty Church being targeted/not targeted.




Fair enough. But buildings have got destroyed in large numbers in Palestine, including religious buildings (and schools, and hospitals), as we all know, so ... relevant to the subject at hand, I would say. If you think not - then blame the person who brought up religious buildings in Palestine the first place.


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RE: Vatican to Recognize Palestinian State in New Treaty - 5/15/2015 6:17:57 PM   
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If nothing is launched from it, then it will not be targeted. Unless you are suggesting that they SHOULD use such a thing to store and launch munitions.


Utter bullshit, as proven by the shelling of UN compounds in Palestine last year.




Let's see:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4549474,00.html

IDF asks UN to evacuate for three days, it doesn't. Hamas starts to lob bombs at the IDF from around the UN compound. As they are often want to do from homes, schools, and mosques. IDF lob shells back at Hamas and hits UN compound. And that proves Aylee is wrong in saying if Hamas doesn't hide/shoot from the church it won't be a target how?


I think there's a certain suggestion involved that Israel and the IDF may have been bullshitting somewhat, Hunter, coupled with the further suggestion that Israel and the IDF have shown something less than an unblemished record in giving a flying fuck who and what gets destroyed in Palestine.

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RE: Vatican to Recognize Palestinian State in New Treaty - 5/15/2015 6:18:42 PM   
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If nothing is launched from it, then it will not be targeted. Unless you are suggesting that they SHOULD use such a thing to store and launch munitions.


Utter bullshit, as proven by the shelling of UN compounds in Palestine last year.




Let's see:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4549474,00.html

IDF asks UN to evacuate for three days, it doesn't. Hamas starts to lob bombs at the IDF from around the UN compound. As they are often want to do from homes, schools, and mosques. IDF lob shells back at Hamas and hits UN compound. And that proves Aylee is wrong in saying if Hamas doesn't hide/shoot from the church it won't be a target how?



Oh, I get it now.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/from-nazi-v-2s-to-hamas-m-75s-israels-blitz-survivors-dodge-rockets-again/

Hamas can shoot 4000 rockets in 50 days at Isreal and that doesn't count because...well...it's Hamas. But, if Isreal tries to stop the rockets by shooting back, after warning people for days where they will target, then that proves Aylee wasn't right that if Hamas doesn't hide munitions in the church it won't be targeted.

Wait...no...that's not right either. PS, you're going to have to help me with this one ol chum.

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RE: Vatican to Recognize Palestinian State in New Treaty - 5/15/2015 6:23:32 PM   
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I think there's a certain suggestion involved that Israel and the IDF may have been bullshitting somewhat, Hunter, coupled with the further suggestion that Israel and the IDF have shown something less than an unblemished record in giving a flying fuck who and what gets destroyed in Palestine.


There seems to be two different standards at work here

Standard one, Hamas deliberately and routinely targets civilians. Doesnt get a mention

Standard two, Israel defends itself by targeting the source of the rocket fire, the response is that Israel doesnt care who it targets

Even though they are clearly targeting the source of the rocket fire



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RE: Vatican to Recognize Palestinian State in New Treaty - 5/15/2015 6:24:26 PM   
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In Post #15 you brought up buildings being targeted. Specifically the new Treaty Church being targeted/not targeted.




Fair enough. But buildings have got destroyed in large numbers in Palestine, including religious buildings (and schools, and hospitals), as we all know, so ... relevant to the subject at hand, I would say. If you think not - then blame the person who brought up religious buildings in Palestine the first place.



Ya know, I was trying to get this back on topic when Polite "mistakenly*" accused me of starting the derail. So. . . can we get back to the topic of the Vatican/Pope and the Palestinians.

And my point about building the church. . . is there going to be something in the treaty to allow things like churches? And what about the Western Wall?



*I am going with him being confused not malicious

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RE: Vatican to Recognize Palestinian State in New Treaty - 5/15/2015 6:24:43 PM   
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If nothing is launched from it, then it will not be targeted. Unless you are suggesting that they SHOULD use such a thing to store and launch munitions.


Utter bullshit, as proven by the shelling of UN compounds in Palestine last year.





Let's see:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4549474,00.html

IDF asks UN to evacuate for three days, it doesn't. Hamas starts to lob bombs at the IDF from around the UN compound. As they are often want to do from homes, schools, and mosques. IDF lob shells back at Hamas and hits UN compound. And that proves Aylee is wrong in saying if Hamas doesn't hide/shoot from the church it won't be a target how?



Oh, I get it now.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/from-nazi-v-2s-to-hamas-m-75s-israels-blitz-survivors-dodge-rockets-again/

Hamas can shoot 4000 rockets in 50 days at Isreal and that doesn't count because...well...it's Hamas. But, if Isreal tries to stop the rockets by shooting back, after warning people for days where they will target, then that proves Aylee wasn't right that if Hamas doesn't hide munitions in the church it won't be targeted.

Wait...no...that's not right either. PS, you're going to have to help me with this one ol chum.



Oh wait....I have it now. Isreal was actually sorry a school was hit and Hamas does that sort of thing on purpose. That proves your point PS.

Wait, no that can't be it either can it.

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RE: Vatican to Recognize Palestinian State in New Treaty - 5/15/2015 6:35:29 PM   
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If nothing is launched from it, then it will not be targeted. Unless you are suggesting that they SHOULD use such a thing to store and launch munitions.


Utter bullshit, as proven by the shelling of UN compounds in Palestine last year.




Let's see:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4549474,00.html

IDF asks UN to evacuate for three days, it doesn't. Hamas starts to lob bombs at the IDF from around the UN compound. As they are often want to do from homes, schools, and mosques. IDF lob shells back at Hamas and hits UN compound. And that proves Aylee is wrong in saying if Hamas doesn't hide/shoot from the church it won't be a target how?


I think there's a certain suggestion involved that Israel and the IDF may have been bullshitting somewhat, Hunter, coupled with the further suggestion that Israel and the IDF have shown something less than an unblemished record in giving a flying fuck who and what gets destroyed in Palestine.



I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be this patient with a neighbor lobbing explosives at me.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2014

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/09/world/middleeast/by-phone-and-leaflet-israeli-attackers-warn-gazans.html?_r=0

I'll add this as an edit rather than make one more post. I reslize I'm hogging posts.

http://nypost.com/2014/08/05/hamas-manual-details-civilian-death-plan-israel/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2753176/Hamas-DID-use-schools-hospitals-Gaza-Strip-human-shields-launch-rocket-attacks-Israel-admits-says-mistake.html

I wonder why Isreal should. Except to placate PS, give a flying whatever you said.

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RE: Vatican to Recognize Palestinian State in New Treaty - 5/15/2015 6:44:23 PM   
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Oh wait....I have it now. Isreal was actually sorry a school was hit and Hamas does that sort of thing on purpose


Yes .... You see, I think that there's a widespread suspicion that Israel wasn't actually as sorry as it made out all, Hunter.

I do think we might have to entertain the possibility that it could be theoretically possible that Israel is wont to bullshit. I mean, there were *quite a few* such tragic mistakes made by Israel in the last conflict.

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