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I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be this patient with a neighbor lobbing explosives at me.

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I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be this patient with a neighbor lobbing explosives at me.

Are you talking as if you were an Israeli or a Palestinian there, Hunter?

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Oh wait....I have it now. Isreal was actually sorry a school was hit and Hamas does that sort of thing on purpose

Yes .... You see, I think that there's a widespread suspicion that Israel wasn't actually as sorry as it made out all, Hunter.

I do think we might have to entertain the possibility that it could be theoretically possible that Israel is wont to bullshit. I mean, there were *quite a few* such tragic mistakes made by Israel in the last conflict.

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I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be this patient with a neighbor lobbing explosives at me.

Are you talking as if you were an Israeli or a Palestinian there, Hunter?

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Oh wait....I have it now. Isreal was actually sorry a school was hit and Hamas does that sort of thing on purpose

Yes .... You see, I think that there's a widespread suspicion that Israel wasn't actually as sorry as it made out all, Hunter.

I do think we might have to entertain the possibility that it could be theoretically possible that Israel is wont to bullshit. I mean, there were *quite a few* such tragic mistakes made by Israel in the last conflict.

If someone is shooting at e from the Vatican I won't feel bad about any damage I do to the building when I shoot back. When they start shooting from a place it becomes a military installation regardless of what it was 10 minutes earlier.

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Oh wait....I have it now. Isreal was actually sorry a school was hit and Hamas does that sort of thing on purpose

Yes .... You see, I think that there's a widespread suspicion that Israel wasn't actually as sorry as it made out all, Hunter.

I do think we might have to entertain the possibility that it could be theoretically possible that Israel is wont to bullshit. I mean, there were *quite a few* such tragic mistakes made by Israel in the last conflict.

If someone is shooting at e from the Vatican I won't feel bad about any damage I do to the building when I shoot back. When they start shooting from a place it becomes a military installation regardless of what it was 10 minutes earlier.

What you say sounds quite proper in theory. Sadly it doesn't apply to what actually happened in the recent coflict in Gaza, according to IDF soldiers themselves:
"The instructions are to shoot right away. Whoever you spot – be they armed or unarmed, no matter what. The instructions are very clear. Any
person you run into, that you see with your eyes – shoot to kill. It’s an explicit instruction.
[Q.]No incrimination process is necessary?
[A]Zero. Nothing.
[Q.]Is there any mention of [shooting] limits? Is 100 meters the limit,
200 meters?
[A]Not at all. The only limits are the zone perimeters between IDF
forces.
http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/pdf/ProtectiveEdge.pdf p 28
or this case of cold blooded murder of two women for the crime of talking on their phones:
"They were two young women walking in the orchard. The commander asked to confirm, “What do you see,” and whether they were incriminated or not. It was during daytime, around 11:00 AM, or noon. The lookouts couldn’t see well so the commander sent a drone up to look from above, and the drone implicated them. It saw them with phones, talking, walking. They directed fire there, on those girls, and they were killed. After they were implicated, I had a feeling it was bullshit.
[Q.] On what was the incrimination based?
[A.] Scouts. “The [Palestinian girls] can surely see the tanks, and they can surely see the smoke rising from all the engineering work.”After that the commander told the tank commander to go scan that place, and three tanks went to check [the bodies]. They check the bodies, and it was two women, over age 30. The bodies of two women, and they were unarmed. He came back and we moved on,and they were listed as terrorists. They were fired at – so of course, they must have been terrorists…
http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/pdf/ProtectiveEdge.pdf page 36

The entire Breaking The Silence report is well worth reading, particularly if you still believe the official propaganda line that the IDF does take sufficient measures to protect civilians. Breaking The Silence is an organisation of IDF veterans that documents IDF behaviour, crimes and excesses using the eyewitness accounts of serving IDF members. This report details the often shocking behaviour of the IDF during its recent murderous assault on Gaza

As is so often the case with Zionist propaganda, upon examination the claims made excusing or justifying IDF actions turn out to be either baseless or wildly exaggerated. But far worse is the fact the Israel itself is guilty of the very crimes it charges its opponents with. After all you can't kill over 1,500 children accidentally, can you? (The IDF has killed over 1,500 Palestinian children since 2000.)

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Oh wait....I have it now. Isreal was actually sorry a school was hit and Hamas does that sort of thing on purpose

Yes .... You see, I think that there's a widespread suspicion that Israel wasn't actually as sorry as it made out all, Hunter.

I do think we might have to entertain the possibility that it could be theoretically possible that Israel is wont to bullshit. I mean, there were *quite a few* such tragic mistakes made by Israel in the last conflict.

If someone is shooting at e from the Vatican I won't feel bad about any damage I do to the building when I shoot back. When they start shooting from a place it becomes a military installation regardless of what it was 10 minutes earlier.

What you say sounds quite proper in theory. Sadly it doesn't apply to what actually happened in the recent coflict in Gaza, according to IDF soldiers themselves:
"The instructions are to shoot right away. Whoever you spot – be they armed or unarmed, no matter what. The instructions are very clear. Any
person you run into, that you see with your eyes – shoot to kill. It’s an explicit instruction.
[Q.]No incrimination process is necessary?
[A]Zero. Nothing.
[Q.]Is there any mention of [shooting] limits? Is 100 meters the limit,
200 meters?
[A]Not at all. The only limits are the zone perimeters between IDF
forces.
http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/pdf/ProtectiveEdge.pdf p 28
or this case of cold blooded murder of two women for the crime of talking on their phones:
"They were two young women walking in the orchard. The commander asked to confirm, “What do you see,” and whether they were incriminated or not. It was during daytime, around 11:00 AM, or noon. The lookouts couldn’t see well so the commander sent a drone up to look from above, and the drone implicated them. It saw them with phones, talking, walking. They directed fire there, on those girls, and they were killed. After they were implicated, I had a feeling it was bullshit.
[Q.] On what was the incrimination based?
[A.] Scouts. “The [Palestinian girls] can surely see the tanks, and they can surely see the smoke rising from all the engineering work.”After that the commander told the tank commander to go scan that place, and three tanks went to check [the bodies]. They check the bodies, and it was two women, over age 30. The bodies of two women, and they were unarmed. He came back and we moved on,and they were listed as terrorists. They were fired at – so of course, they must have been terrorists…
http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/pdf/ProtectiveEdge.pdf page 36

The entire Breaking The Silence report is well worth reading, particularly if you still believe the official propaganda line that the IDF does take sufficient measures to protect civilians. Breaking The Silence is an organisation of IDF veterans that documents IDF behaviour, crimes and excesses using the eyewitness accounts of serving IDF members. This report details the often shocking behaviour of the IDF during its recent murderous assault on Gaza

As is so often the case with Zionist propaganda, upon examination the claims made excusing or justifying IDF actions turn out to be either baseless or wildly exaggerated. But far worse is the fact the Israel itself is guilty of the very crimes it charges its opponents with. After all you can't kill over 1,500 children accidentally, can you? (The IDF has killed over 1,500 Palestinian children since 2000.)

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When the enemy hides among children it is easy to kill 100 children a year accidentally, in fact it is amazing that the number is so low. Tragic that it is so high but amazing it is so low.
Breaking The Silence

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When the enemy hides among children it is easy to kill 100 children a year accidentally, in fact it is amazing that the number is so low. Tragic that it is so high but amazing it is so low.
Breaking The Silence

Your capacity for specious rationalisations is awesome. You haven't the slightest idea of the circumstances of how those children died.

For example, many died while playing, or for straying too close to the border at Gaza or shot during 'targeted assassination' operations or were shot for allegedly throwing stones at the IDF. Hundreds died during artillery or aerial bombardment but most died in single deaths as a result of low level military operations by the IDF. But you don't know any of that do you? You just imagine some concocted nonsense specifically tailored to suit your political perspective. It's not surprising that you resort to self delusion to maintain your political support for the terrorist State of Israel, a certain amount of self delusion is necessary to overlook its numerous crimes.

Politics aside, that you can cynically dismiss such an appalling record of child killing so easily, and with the minimum of knowledge and even less intention to seek out the truth relating to their deaths - instead relying on self serving fantasy and invention that bears little or no connection with reality - tells us an awful lot about you and your values, none of it flattering.

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When the enemy hides among children it is easy to kill 100 children a year accidentally, in fact it is amazing that the number is so low. Tragic that it is so high but amazing it is so low.
Breaking The Silence

Your capacity for specious rationalisations is awesome. You haven't the slightest idea of the circumstances of how those children were shot or otherwise killed by the IDF.

For example, many died while playing, or for straying too close to the border at Gaza or shot during 'targeted assassination' operations or were shot for allegedly throwing stones at the IDF. Hundreds died during artillery or aerial bombardment but most died in single deaths as a result of low level military operations by the IDF. But you don't know any of that do you? You just imagine some concocted nonsense specifically tailored to suit your political perspective. It's not surprising that you resort to self delusion to maintain your political support for the terrorist State of Israel, a certain amount of self delusion is necessary to overlook its numerous crimes.

Politics aside, that you can cynically dismiss such an appalling record of child killing so easily, and with the minimum of knowledge and even less intention to seek out the truth relating to their deaths - instead relying on self serving fantasy and invention that bears little or no connection with reality to rationalise them away, to disappear them - tells us an awful lot about you and your values, none of it flattering.

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When the enemy hides among children it is easy to kill 100 children a year accidentally, in fact it is amazing that the number is so low. Tragic that it is so high but amazing it is so low.
Breaking The Silence

Your capacity for specious rationalisations is awesome. You haven't the slightest idea of the circumstances of how those children died.

For example, many died while playing, or for straying too close to the border at Gaza or shot during 'targeted assassination' operations or were shot for allegedly throwing stones at the IDF. Hundreds died during artillery or aerial bombardment but most died in single deaths as a result of low level military operations by the IDF. But you don't know any of that do you? You just imagine some concocted nonsense specifically tailored to suit your political perspective. It's not surprising that you resort to self delusion to maintain your political support for the terrorist State of Israel, a certain amount of self delusion is necessary to overlook its numerous crimes.

Politics aside, that you can cynically dismiss such an appalling record of child killing so easily, and with the minimum of knowledge and even less intention to seek out the truth relating to their deaths - instead relying on self serving fantasy and invention that bears little or no connection with reality - tells us an awful lot about you and your values, none of it flattering.

First I didn't dismiss the deaths of children, let alone ignore them like you do the deaths of Israeli children.
Second the fact that my sources aren't approved by Hamas doesn't discredit them.
The rest of your post is just insults to tell yourself your better than us.

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When the enemy hides among children it is easy to kill 100 children a year accidentally, in fact it is amazing that the number is so low. Tragic that it is so high but amazing it is so low.
Breaking The Silence

Your capacity for specious rationalisations is awesome. You haven't the slightest idea of the circumstances of how those children died.

For example, many died while playing, or for straying too close to the border at Gaza or shot during 'targeted assassination' operations or were shot for allegedly throwing stones at the IDF. Hundreds died during artillery or aerial bombardment but most died in single deaths as a result of low level military operations by the IDF. But you don't know any of that do you? You just imagine some concocted nonsense specifically tailored to suit your political perspective. It's not surprising that you resort to self delusion to maintain your political support for the terrorist State of Israel, a certain amount of self delusion is necessary to overlook its numerous crimes.

Politics aside, that you can cynically dismiss such an appalling record of child killing so easily, and with the minimum of knowledge and even less intention to seek out the truth relating to their deaths - instead relying on self serving fantasy and invention that bears little or no connection with reality - tells us an awful lot about you and your values, none of it flattering.

First I didn't dismiss the deaths of children, let alone ignore them like you do the deaths of Israeli children.
Second the fact that my sources aren't approved by Hamas doesn't discredit them.
The rest of your post is just insults to tell yourself your better than us.

Are you claiming that your statement "it is easy to kill 100 children a year accidentally, in fact it is amazing that the number is so low" is not a dismissal of those deaths?

How stupid do you think the readers of this thread are that they might swallow such an obvious and self serving lie? Please don't assume that we all share your extravagant capacity for self delusion.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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When the enemy hides among children it is easy to kill 100 children a year accidentally, in fact it is amazing that the number is so low. Tragic that it is so high but amazing it is so low.
Breaking The Silence

Your capacity for specious rationalisations is awesome. You haven't the slightest idea of the circumstances of how those children died.

For example, many died while playing, or for straying too close to the border at Gaza or shot during 'targeted assassination' operations or were shot for allegedly throwing stones at the IDF. Hundreds died during artillery or aerial bombardment but most died in single deaths as a result of low level military operations by the IDF. But you don't know any of that do you? You just imagine some concocted nonsense specifically tailored to suit your political perspective. It's not surprising that you resort to self delusion to maintain your political support for the terrorist State of Israel, a certain amount of self delusion is necessary to overlook its numerous crimes.

Politics aside, that you can cynically dismiss such an appalling record of child killing so easily, and with the minimum of knowledge and even less intention to seek out the truth relating to their deaths - instead relying on self serving fantasy and invention that bears little or no connection with reality - tells us an awful lot about you and your values, none of it flattering.

First I didn't dismiss the deaths of children, let alone ignore them like you do the deaths of Israeli children.
Second the fact that my sources aren't approved by Hamas doesn't discredit them.
The rest of your post is just insults to tell yourself your better than us.

Are you claiming that your statement "it is easy to kill 100 children a year accidentally, in fact it is amazing that the number is so low" is not a dismissal of those deaths?

How stupid do you think the readers of this thread are that they might swallow such an obvious and self serving lie? Please don't assume that we all share your extravagant capacity for self delusion.

Not if you read the rest of what I said "Tragic that it is so high, amazing that it is so low" . How stupid do you think these people are to accept such a blatant distortion of what I said. Please don't assume that we all share your extravagant capacity for self delusion. Have you turned yourself in yet for changing my post?

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When the enemy hides among children it is easy to kill 100 children a year accidentally, in fact it is amazing that the number is so low. Tragic that it is so high but amazing it is so low.
Breaking The Silence

Your capacity for specious rationalisations is awesome. You haven't the slightest idea of the circumstances of how those children died.

For example, many died while playing, or for straying too close to the border at Gaza or shot during 'targeted assassination' operations or were shot for allegedly throwing stones at the IDF. Hundreds died during artillery or aerial bombardment but most died in single deaths as a result of low level military operations by the IDF. But you don't know any of that do you? You just imagine some concocted nonsense specifically tailored to suit your political perspective. It's not surprising that you resort to self delusion to maintain your political support for the terrorist State of Israel, a certain amount of self delusion is necessary to overlook its numerous crimes.

Politics aside, that you can cynically dismiss such an appalling record of child killing so easily, and with the minimum of knowledge and even less intention to seek out the truth relating to their deaths - instead relying on self serving fantasy and invention that bears little or no connection with reality - tells us an awful lot about you and your values, none of it flattering.

First I didn't dismiss the deaths of children, let alone ignore them like you do the deaths of Israeli children.
Second the fact that my sources aren't approved by Hamas doesn't discredit them.
The rest of your post is just insults to tell yourself your better than us.

Are you claiming that your statement "it is easy to kill 100 children a year accidentally, in fact it is amazing that the number is so low" is not a dismissal of those deaths?

How stupid do you think the readers of this thread are that they might swallow such an obvious and self serving lie? Please don't assume that we all share your extravagant capacity for self delusion.

Not if you read the rest of what I said "Tragic that it is so high, amazing that it is so low" . How stupid do you think these people are to accept such a blatant distortion of what I said. Please don't assume that we all share your extravagant capacity for self delusion. Have you turned yourself in yet for changing my post?

Probably not. But she turned me in the other day and wished me a happy holiday away when the moderators got me....Sssh, I'm not really here.

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Isn't "zionists" a cose word for Jews like the N word is a code word for African Americans. Why is it continually used here? It's racist and offensive.

Fucking laughable stuff from you Hunter, you have just spent the last week telling me Semites are not a race.

Are you suggesting Semites are only a race when it suits your argument ?

Umm? And where is the word Semite in the quote you used from me?