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Everyone knows that we need some new ideas (I never had a good idea on immigration). All the Republicans do is demagogue. They say, they won't talk about it until we seal the border. Here is the reality: We will NEVER seal the border. It just isn't possible.


So now what???

How about giving a green card to any illegal/undocumented immigrant that has started a small business and has hired at least 1 American? A program like this would also encourage immigrant workers to to start businesses instead.. Immigrants do start small businesses and create jobs, but for those that do, unless they can make enough money ($1 million verifiable & in the bank) to qualify under an EB-5 visa to become legal, they are at extreme risk and so are their employees.. deportation means the business is wiped out and those jobs are gone..

"Immigrants Twice As Likely To Start Businesses As U.S.-Born Citizens"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/immigrants-new-businesses_n_1499719.html

http://www.latitudenews.com/story/americas-newest-small-town-entrepreneurs-illegal-immigrants/

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/14/nation/la-na-ff-immigration-business-20130915

Legal immigrants nobody opposes them

actually, yes there are some Americans that do oppose legal immigrants.. they dont want any immigration at all..

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I immigrated some 25 years ago bas on H1B to the US and I am citizen for almost 10.

I think most people discussing the topic don't appreciate the legal complexity.

Not only with the US, but also with the home country.
Just because you come to the US doesn't meant to deny your heritage.

I came from Germany and that process is quite difficult.

25 years ago it was a hell of a lot easier then.. Most Americans dont get that most illegal immigrants have no reasonable legal way in or they would do that! but then most Americans dont care about that, they just want to bitch about them & keep spouting untruths..

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I agree. Back in '86 Reagan agreed with Kennedy and other leading Democrates to make a new immigration law based on three things. Amnesty for 2.5 million here already who could prove they were working and paying their way, employer sanctions for hiring illigals, and tough border enforcement. Kennedy took the amnesty and reneged on the other two. We're still in gridlock waiting for the other two facets and the current Democratic crop is trying to run the same scam again. It's simple really. Enforce the entire fricking law passed in '86. That is what the left promised, that is what they now want to officially ignore as opposed to pretending.

ok, so the govt has been the problem since '86.. its 2015 now.. how likely that it will happen in the future? seems like the gridlock is quite permanent..

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Everyone knows that we need some new ideas (I never had a good idea on immigration). All the Republicans do is demagogue. They say, they won't talk about it until we seal the border. Here is the reality: We will NEVER seal the border. It just isn't possible.


So now what???

How about giving a green card to any illegal/undocumented immigrant that has started a small business and has hired at least 1 American? A program like this would also encourage immigrant workers to to start businesses instead.. Immigrants do start small businesses and create jobs, but for those that do, unless they can make enough money ($1 million verifiable & in the bank) to qualify under an EB-5 visa to become legal, they are at extreme risk and so are their employees.. deportation means the business is wiped out and those jobs are gone..

"Immigrants Twice As Likely To Start Businesses As U.S.-Born Citizens"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/immigrants-new-businesses_n_1499719.html

http://www.latitudenews.com/story/americas-newest-small-town-entrepreneurs-illegal-immigrants/

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/14/nation/la-na-ff-immigration-business-20130915

How does an illegal start a business without committing more crimes with forgery. But anything to jump them ahead of the people who come here legally.

that is one of the most idiotic ignorant posts I have seen on this subject.. you have never set up a business before, have you?.. ANYONE IN THE FUCKING WORLD (except from terrorist countries) CAN INCORPORATE IN THE US ONLINE FROM ANYWHERE... I can incorporate an llc in delaware (or any state) even tho i will never step foot in delaware.. i can hire & appoint an american to run the business.. i can sell products & services from outside the US to Americans and never step foot in the US.. And being in the US and setting up an llc is nothing, you can get a corporate tax number in minutes online.. and you are in business! (totally legal)..

If you actually read the articles you would see that the immigrants mentioned have totally legal businesses and there is no crime such as forgery (why would there need to be?).. These people are here and those that start businesses create jobs, either directly or indirectly.. isnt that what people like you bitch about, that they are "taking jobs from Americans" but you still bash the ones that create jobs for Americans.. Its people like you and attitudes like yours that make me shake my head and see the US as a sunset country..

the only reason i have responded was that i came here before logging in so your S%&#@ post was visible, you are back on ignore now.. there is no need for me to read anymore shite like that..

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Everyone knows that we need some new ideas (I never had a good idea on immigration). All the Republicans do is demagogue. They say, they won't talk about it until we seal the border. Here is the reality: We will NEVER seal the border. It just isn't possible.


So now what???

How about giving a green card to any illegal/undocumented immigrant that has started a small business and has hired at least 1 American? A program like this would also encourage immigrant workers to to start businesses instead.. Immigrants do start small businesses and create jobs, but for those that do, unless they can make enough money ($1 million verifiable & in the bank) to qualify under an EB-5 visa to become legal, they are at extreme risk and so are their employees.. deportation means the business is wiped out and those jobs are gone..

"Immigrants Twice As Likely To Start Businesses As U.S.-Born Citizens"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/immigrants-new-businesses_n_1499719.html

http://www.latitudenews.com/story/americas-newest-small-town-entrepreneurs-illegal-immigrants/

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/14/nation/la-na-ff-immigration-business-20130915

How does an illegal start a business without committing more crimes with forgery. But anything to jump them ahead of the people who come here legally.

that is one of the most idiotic ignorant posts I have seen on this subject.. you have never set up a business before, have you?.. ANYONE IN THE FUCKING WORLD (except from terrorist countries) CAN INCORPORATE IN THE US ONLINE FROM ANYWHERE... I can incorporate an llc in delaware (or any state) even tho i will never step foot in delaware.. i can hire & appoint an american to run the business.. i can sell products & services from outside the US to Americans and never step foot in the US.. And being in the US and setting up an llc is nothing, you can get a corporate tax number in minutes online.. and you are in business! (totally legal)..

If you actually read the articles you would see that the immigrants mentioned have totally legal businesses and there is no crime such as forgery (why would there need to be?).. These people are here and those that start businesses create jobs, either directly or indirectly.. isnt that what people like you bitch about, that they are "taking jobs from Americans" but you still bash the ones that create jobs for Americans.. Its people like you and attitudes like yours that make me shake my head and see the US as a sunset country..

the only reason i have responded was that i came here before logging in so your S%&#@ post was visible, you are back on ignore now.. there is no need for me to read anymore shite like that..

My understanding of BAMA is he's seen it from a law enforcement perspective and I don't know why you'd expect him to know about incorporating in this country. I imagine very few police Chiefs or sheriffs know how to incorporate a business. I owned a business and don't know how to incorporate, my partners hired attorneys to do it for us. But, I wouldn't belittle Bama's law enforcement views on it. He may have points you don't understand from your place watching this.

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I agree. Back in '86 Reagan agreed with Kennedy and other leading Democrates to make a new immigration law based on three things. Amnesty for 2.5 million here already who could prove they were working and paying their way, employer sanctions for hiring illigals, and tough border enforcement. Kennedy took the amnesty and reneged on the other two. We're still in gridlock waiting for the other two facets and the current Democratic crop is trying to run the same scam again. It's simple really. Enforce the entire fricking law passed in '86. That is what the left promised, that is what they now want to officially ignore as opposed to pretending.

ok, so the govt has been the problem since '86.. its 2015 now.. how likely that it will happen in the future? seems like the gridlock is quite permanent..

I've posted on here before that it's a political problem and little else. Leftist democrats want the power that comes from making illigals able to vote and pandering to them. I'm in no way desirous of allowing that. Country club Republicans want a swath of uneducated low skilled workers to keep wages down so they don't have to send jobs overseas (.sorta bring overseas here). I'm not for that either. Frankly, I don't want either of those and don't mind a gridlock as long as those are the only two choices the fricking politicians will accept. I'm hoping the Tea Party will grow in power and eventually do what is reasonable for the country rather than what's reasonable for a political class to maintain power.

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Everyone knows that we need some new ideas (I never had a good idea on immigration). All the Republicans do is demagogue. They say, they won't talk about it until we seal the border. Here is the reality: We will NEVER seal the border. It just isn't possible.


So now what???

How about giving a green card to any illegal/undocumented immigrant that has started a small business and has hired at least 1 American? A program like this would also encourage immigrant workers to to start businesses instead.. Immigrants do start small businesses and create jobs, but for those that do, unless they can make enough money ($1 million verifiable & in the bank) to qualify under an EB-5 visa to become legal, they are at extreme risk and so are their employees.. deportation means the business is wiped out and those jobs are gone..

"Immigrants Twice As Likely To Start Businesses As U.S.-Born Citizens"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/immigrants-new-businesses_n_1499719.html

http://www.latitudenews.com/story/americas-newest-small-town-entrepreneurs-illegal-immigrants/

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/14/nation/la-na-ff-immigration-business-20130915

How does an illegal start a business without committing more crimes with forgery. But anything to jump them ahead of the people who come here legally.

that is one of the most idiotic ignorant posts I have seen on this subject.. you have never set up a business before, have you?.. ANYONE IN THE FUCKING WORLD (except from terrorist countries) CAN INCORPORATE IN THE US ONLINE FROM ANYWHERE... I can incorporate an llc in delaware (or any state) even tho i will never step foot in delaware.. i can hire & appoint an american to run the business.. i can sell products & services from outside the US to Americans and never step foot in the US.. And being in the US and setting up an llc is nothing, you can get a corporate tax number in minutes online.. and you are in business! (totally legal)..

If you actually read the articles you would see that the immigrants mentioned have totally legal businesses and there is no crime such as forgery (why would there need to be?).. These people are here and those that start businesses create jobs, either directly or indirectly.. isnt that what people like you bitch about, that they are "taking jobs from Americans" but you still bash the ones that create jobs for Americans.. Its people like you and attitudes like yours that make me shake my head and see the US as a sunset country..

the only reason i have responded was that i came here before logging in so your S%&#@ post was visible, you are back on ignore now.. there is no need for me to read anymore shite like that..

My understanding of BAMA is he's seen it from a law enforcement perspective and I don't know why you'd expect him to know about incorporating in this country. I imagine very few police Chiefs or sheriffs know how to incorporate a business. I owned a business and don't know how to incorporate, my partners hired attorneys to do it for us. But, I wouldn't belittle Bama's law enforcement views on it. He may have points you don't understand from your place watching this.

Thank you.
True I didn't know it was that easy, but don't they have to register as a citizen of the country they are from? I still don't see that they should be bumped ahead of legal immigrants, particularly those who start their own business. I worked for a man who became a US citizen while I was there (he was Canadian). He was partnered with a native born American and it had taken him 10 years to get his citizenship. Why should he have to take a back seat to someone who came in to the country illegally?

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My understanding of BAMA is he's seen it from a law enforcement perspective and I don't know why you'd expect him to know about incorporating in this country. I imagine very few police Chiefs or sheriffs know how to incorporate a business. I owned a business and don't know how to incorporate, my partners hired attorneys to do it for us. But, I wouldn't belittle Bama's law enforcement views on it. He may have points you don't understand from your place watching this.

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Why is it that when far left loons get proven wrong, they so often think that getting loud and making it personal is going to make their case

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Well, yes, actually. I quoted yesterday, or so, from cloudboys totally insane rant and the actual Supreme Court determination that it is a Federal misdemeanor to not register as an alien and have your exact whereabouts on file at all times, meaning you have 30 days to reregister if your status changes. If they aren't doing that then you are totally correct in your statement. I'm sure there are other things required that weren't mentioned in that specific Supreme Court ruling that if ignored would make you equally correct.

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We have had a number of undocumented immigrants in our area start their own businesses as street vendors of undocumented Pharmaceuticals.

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My understanding of BAMA is he's seen it from a law enforcement perspective and I don't know why you'd expect him to know about incorporating in this country. I imagine very few police Chiefs or sheriffs know how to incorporate a business. I owned a business and don't know how to incorporate, my partners hired attorneys to do it for us. But, I wouldn't belittle Bama's law enforcement views on it. He may have points you don't understand from your place watching this.

he makes plenty of ignorant posts, this isnt the first.. a simple google search can tell anyone how to incorporate easily and quickly and what is needed.. Incorporating is quite simple to do, especially for 1 person, all it takes is an internet search to find the state you want to incorporate in, and a few hundred dollars.. and there are plenty of ads on tv or in magazines for incorporation services like legalzoom.. (not that i would use them).. a partnership is more complicated as you should have a partnership agreement that covers the what-ifs and all that.. but again, plenty of books that can give you info what you need.. I wouldnt rely on lawyers to much without knowing much of that stuff yourself, there are crappy lawyers out there (I had to sue one for negligence).. I have learned that you are the best person to protect your interests.. when you do seek "professional" advice, always get more than one opinion.. i have never read about anyone committing forgery to operate a business.. i have read about employees that have committed forgery to steal money from their employer tho..

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If you don't know the first things about business administration i.e. incorporating a Business, you surely should not run one.

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Well, yes, actually. I quoted yesterday, or so, from cloudboys totally insane rant and the actual Supreme Court determination that it is a Federal misdemeanor to not register as an alien and have your exact whereabouts on file at all times, meaning you have 30 days to reregister if your status changes. If they aren't doing that then you are totally correct in your statement. I'm sure there are other things required that weren't mentioned in that specific Supreme Court ruling that if ignored would make you equally correct.

regarding incorporation, there are some states where the actual owner is not listed (or it could be a corporation in the US or in any country not listed on the terrorism watch list thingie), & public information (depends on the state). It is a registered agent that is the one listed and filing the annual corporate returns in those situations.. You dont need to be an American or live in the US to incorporate here..

I sorta doubt the govt/cops are chasing everyone that commits a misdemeanor, its not like they dont have enough "real" criminals to chase or anything..

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My understanding of BAMA is he's seen it from a law enforcement perspective and I don't know why you'd expect him to know about incorporating in this country. I imagine very few police Chiefs or sheriffs know how to incorporate a business. I owned a business and don't know how to incorporate, my partners hired attorneys to do it for us. But, I wouldn't belittle Bama's law enforcement views on it. He may have points you don't understand from your place watching this.

he makes plenty of ignorant posts, this isnt the first.. a simple google search can tell anyone how to incorporate easily and quickly and what is needed.. Incorporating is quite simple to do, especially for 1 person, all it takes is an internet search to find the state you want to incorporate in, and a few hundred dollars.. and there are plenty of ads on tv or in magazines for incorporation services like legalzoom.. (not that i would use them).. a partnership is more complicated as you should have a partnership agreement that covers the what-ifs and all that.. but again, plenty of books that can give you info what you need.. I wouldnt rely on lawyers to much without knowing much of that stuff yourself, there are crappy lawyers out there (I had to sue one for negligence).. I have learned that you are the best person to protect your interests.. when you do seek "professional" advice, always get more than one opinion.. i have never read about anyone committing forgery to operate a business.. i have read about employees that have committed forgery to steal money from their employer tho..

There is a Google search and easy incorporation and then there is sitting across the table from an IRS investigator reviewing your books. I'm not sure the easy way is the best way to go and that's not what my business did. Thankfully we did it with attorneys as in the seven years I was a partner the IRS dropped by twice to examine our books. Both times we were clean and the inspector went away happy.

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Well, yes, actually. I quoted yesterday, or so, from cloudboys totally insane rant and the actual Supreme Court determination that it is a Federal misdemeanor to not register as an alien and have your exact whereabouts on file at all times, meaning you have 30 days to reregister if your status changes. If they aren't doing that then you are totally correct in your statement. I'm sure there are other things required that weren't mentioned in that specific Supreme Court ruling that if ignored would make you equally correct.

regarding incorporation, there are some states where the actual owner is not listed (or it could be a corporation in the US or in any country not listed on the terrorism watch list thingie), & public information (depends on the state). It is a registered agent that is the one listed and filing the annual corporate returns in those situations.. You dont need to be an American or live in the US to incorporate here..

I sorta doubt the govt/cops are chasing everyone that commits a misdemeanor, its not like they dont have enough "real" criminals to chase or anything..

Whether or not the government chooses to chase them or not is already discussed here as a political issue. Yet, it renders no incorrectness to what Bama posted. I believe most of the drug dealers assume they'll never get caught also.

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My understanding of BAMA is he's seen it from a law enforcement perspective and I don't know why you'd expect him to know about incorporating in this country. I imagine very few police Chiefs or sheriffs know how to incorporate a business. I owned a business and don't know how to incorporate, my partners hired attorneys to do it for us. But, I wouldn't belittle Bama's law enforcement views on it. He may have points you don't understand from your place watching this.

he makes plenty of ignorant posts, this isnt the first.. a simple google search can tell anyone how to incorporate easily and quickly and what is needed.. Incorporating is quite simple to do, especially for 1 person, all it takes is an internet search to find the state you want to incorporate in, and a few hundred dollars.. and there are plenty of ads on tv or in magazines for incorporation services like legalzoom.. (not that i would use them).. a partnership is more complicated as you should have a partnership agreement that covers the what-ifs and all that.. but again, plenty of books that can give you info what you need.. I wouldnt rely on lawyers to much without knowing much of that stuff yourself, there are crappy lawyers out there (I had to sue one for negligence).. I have learned that you are the best person to protect your interests.. when you do seek "professional" advice, always get more than one opinion.. i have never read about anyone committing forgery to operate a business.. i have read about employees that have committed forgery to steal money from their employer tho..

There is a Google search and easy incorporation and then there is sitting across the table from an IRS investigator reviewing your books. I'm not sure the easy way is the best way to go and that's not what my business did. Thankfully we did it with attorneys as in the seven years I was a partner the IRS dropped by twice to examine our books. Both times we were clean and the inspector went away happy.

the IRS is taxation, its got nothing to do with incorporation at all.. For a small business, incorporation is very simple, its fill in the blanks, its boilerplate.. the hardest thing about incorporation is trying to figure out a good name!..

What kinda lawyer you are talking about, are talking about a run-of-the-mill lawyer that does incorporation and all sorts of other/general legal stuff, or are you talking about a tax lawyer?.. Tax lawyers are big bucks. Imo, the IRS inspector went away happy cuz you had your bookkeeping in order (which is usually handled by an accountant or bookkeeper) & the required tax, withholding for employees, etc paid when it was supposed to be paid & the amount that was supposed to be paid.. You gave him no reason to be "unhappy"..

The biggest reason for using a tax lawyer is if you havent paid all your tax (tax evasion) but want someone to act on your behalf to negotiate becoming compliant (preferably without jail time) with the IRS. You dont want to do that using an accountant or anyone else, you want a good tax lawyer (for attorney-client privilege).. or if you are a very large multinational corp (like Google) and you want to negotiate advance pricing agreements with the IRS...

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Well, yes, actually. I quoted yesterday, or so, from cloudboys totally insane rant and the actual Supreme Court determination that it is a Federal misdemeanor to not register as an alien and have your exact whereabouts on file at all times, meaning you have 30 days to reregister if your status changes. If they aren't doing that then you are totally correct in your statement. I'm sure there are other things required that weren't mentioned in that specific Supreme Court ruling that if ignored would make you equally correct.

regarding incorporation, there are some states where the actual owner is not listed (or it could be a corporation in the US or in any country not listed on the terrorism watch list thingie), & public information (depends on the state). It is a registered agent that is the one listed and filing the annual corporate returns in those situations.. You dont need to be an American or live in the US to incorporate here..

I sorta doubt the govt/cops are chasing everyone that commits a misdemeanor, its not like they dont have enough "real" criminals to chase or anything..

Whether or not the government chooses to chase them or not is already discussed here as a political issue. Yet, it renders no incorrectness to what Bama posted. I believe most of the drug dealers assume they'll never get caught also.

Its not a political issue, its a money issue, the govt doesnt have the money for enough manpower to chase everyone over misdemeanors..

Dealing drugs isnt a misdemeanor, thats comparing apples to oranges.. imo, drug dealers should assume they will be caught, sooner or later.. they should have a good criminal lawyer on stand-by..