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My understanding of BAMA is he's seen it from a law enforcement perspective and I don't know why you'd expect him to know about incorporating in this country. I imagine very few police Chiefs or sheriffs know how to incorporate a business. I owned a business and don't know how to incorporate, my partners hired attorneys to do it for us. But, I wouldn't belittle Bama's law enforcement views on it. He may have points you don't understand from your place watching this.

he makes plenty of ignorant posts, this isnt the first.. a simple google search can tell anyone how to incorporate easily and quickly and what is needed.. Incorporating is quite simple to do, especially for 1 person, all it takes is an internet search to find the state you want to incorporate in, and a few hundred dollars.. and there are plenty of ads on tv or in magazines for incorporation services like legalzoom.. (not that i would use them).. a partnership is more complicated as you should have a partnership agreement that covers the what-ifs and all that.. but again, plenty of books that can give you info what you need.. I wouldnt rely on lawyers to much without knowing much of that stuff yourself, there are crappy lawyers out there (I had to sue one for negligence).. I have learned that you are the best person to protect your interests.. when you do seek "professional" advice, always get more than one opinion.. i have never read about anyone committing forgery to operate a business.. i have read about employees that have committed forgery to steal money from their employer tho..

There is a Google search and easy incorporation and then there is sitting across the table from an IRS investigator reviewing your books. I'm not sure the easy way is the best way to go and that's not what my business did. Thankfully we did it with attorneys as in the seven years I was a partner the IRS dropped by twice to examine our books. Both times we were clean and the inspector went away happy.

the IRS is taxation, its got nothing to do with incorporation at all.. For a small business, incorporation is very simple, its fill in the blanks, its boilerplate.. the hardest thing about incorporation is trying to figure out a good name!..

What kinda lawyer you are talking about, are talking about a run-of-the-mill lawyer that does incorporation and all sorts of other/general legal stuff, or are you talking about a tax lawyer?.. Tax lawyers are big bucks. Imo, the IRS inspector went away happy cuz you had your bookkeeping in order (which is usually handled by an accountant or bookkeeper) & the required tax, withholding for employees, etc paid when it was supposed to be paid & the amount that was supposed to be paid.. You gave him no reason to be "unhappy"..

The biggest reason for using a tax lawyer is if you havent paid all your tax (tax evasion) but want someone to act on your behalf to negotiate becoming compliant (preferably without jail time) with the IRS. You dont want to do that using an accountant or anyone else, you want a good tax lawyer (for attorney-client privilege).. or if you are a very large multinational corp (like Google) and you want to negotiate advance pricing agreements with the IRS...

Wow, how you structure your company financially is all incorporation....which is all about the IRS eventually. I stopped reading after your first sentence because your fundamental assumption was so wrong.

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Everyone knows that we need some new ideas (I never had a good idea on immigration). All the Republicans do is demagogue. They say, they won't talk about it until we seal the border. Here is the reality: We will NEVER seal the border. It just isn't possible.


So now what???

How about giving a green card to any illegal/undocumented immigrant that has started a small business and has hired at least 1 American? A program like this would also encourage immigrant workers to to start businesses instead.. Immigrants do start small businesses and create jobs, but for those that do, unless they can make enough money ($1 million verifiable & in the bank) to qualify under an EB-5 visa to become legal, they are at extreme risk and so are their employees.. deportation means the business is wiped out and those jobs are gone..

"Immigrants Twice As Likely To Start Businesses As U.S.-Born Citizens"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/immigrants-new-businesses_n_1499719.html

http://www.latitudenews.com/story/americas-newest-small-town-entrepreneurs-illegal-immigrants/

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/14/nation/la-na-ff-immigration-business-20130915

How does an illegal start a business without committing more crimes with forgery. But anything to jump them ahead of the people who come here legally.

that is one of the most idiotic ignorant posts I have seen on this subject.. you have never set up a business before, have you?.. ANYONE IN THE FUCKING WORLD (except from terrorist countries) CAN INCORPORATE IN THE US ONLINE FROM ANYWHERE... I can incorporate an llc in delaware (or any state) even tho i will never step foot in delaware.. i can hire & appoint an american to run the business.. i can sell products & services from outside the US to Americans and never step foot in the US.. And being in the US and setting up an llc is nothing, you can get a corporate tax number in minutes online.. and you are in business! (totally legal)..

If you actually read the articles you would see that the immigrants mentioned have totally legal businesses and there is no crime such as forgery (why would there need to be?).. These people are here and those that start businesses create jobs, either directly or indirectly.. isnt that what people like you bitch about, that they are "taking jobs from Americans" but you still bash the ones that create jobs for Americans.. Its people like you and attitudes like yours that make me shake my head and see the US as a sunset country..

the only reason i have responded was that i came here before logging in so your S%&#@ post was visible, you are back on ignore now.. there is no need for me to read anymore shite like that..

My understanding of BAMA is he's seen it from a law enforcement perspective and I don't know why you'd expect him to know about incorporating in this country. I imagine very few police Chiefs or sheriffs know how to incorporate a business. I owned a business and don't know how to incorporate, my partners hired attorneys to do it for us. But, I wouldn't belittle Bama's law enforcement views on it. He may have points you don't understand from your place watching this.

Thank you.
True I didn't know it was that easy, but don't they have to register as a citizen of the country they are from? I still don't see that they should be bumped ahead of legal immigrants, particularly those who start their own business. I worked for a man who became a US citizen while I was there (he was Canadian). He was partnered with a native born American and it had taken him 10 years to get his citizenship. Why should he have to take a back seat to someone who came in to the country illegally?

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Everyone knows that we need some new ideas (I never had a good idea on immigration). All the Republicans do is demagogue. They say, they won't talk about it until we seal the border. Here is the reality: We will NEVER seal the border. It just isn't possible.


So now what???

How about giving a green card to any illegal/undocumented immigrant that has started a small business and has hired at least 1 American? A program like this would also encourage immigrant workers to to start businesses instead.. Immigrants do start small businesses and create jobs, but for those that do, unless they can make enough money ($1 million verifiable & in the bank) to qualify under an EB-5 visa to become legal, they are at extreme risk and so are their employees.. deportation means the business is wiped out and those jobs are gone..

"Immigrants Twice As Likely To Start Businesses As U.S.-Born Citizens"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/immigrants-new-businesses_n_1499719.html

http://www.latitudenews.com/story/americas-newest-small-town-entrepreneurs-illegal-immigrants/

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/14/nation/la-na-ff-immigration-business-20130915

How does an illegal start a business without committing more crimes with forgery. But anything to jump them ahead of the people who come here legally.

that is one of the most idiotic ignorant posts I have seen on this subject.. you have never set up a business before, have you?.. ANYONE IN THE FUCKING WORLD (except from terrorist countries) CAN INCORPORATE IN THE US ONLINE FROM ANYWHERE... I can incorporate an llc in delaware (or any state) even tho i will never step foot in delaware.. i can hire & appoint an american to run the business.. i can sell products & services from outside the US to Americans and never step foot in the US.. And being in the US and setting up an llc is nothing, you can get a corporate tax number in minutes online.. and you are in business! (totally legal)..

If you actually read the articles you would see that the immigrants mentioned have totally legal businesses and there is no crime such as forgery (why would there need to be?).. These people are here and those that start businesses create jobs, either directly or indirectly.. isnt that what people like you bitch about, that they are "taking jobs from Americans" but you still bash the ones that create jobs for Americans.. Its people like you and attitudes like yours that make me shake my head and see the US as a sunset country..

the only reason i have responded was that i came here before logging in so your S%&#@ post was visible, you are back on ignore now.. there is no need for me to read anymore shite like that..

My understanding of BAMA is he's seen it from a law enforcement perspective and I don't know why you'd expect him to know about incorporating in this country. I imagine very few police Chiefs or sheriffs know how to incorporate a business. I owned a business and don't know how to incorporate, my partners hired attorneys to do it for us. But, I wouldn't belittle Bama's law enforcement views on it. He may have points you don't understand from your place watching this.

Thank you.
True I didn't know it was that easy, but don't they have to register as a citizen of the country they are from? I still don't see that they should be bumped ahead of legal immigrants, particularly those who start their own business. I worked for a man who became a US citizen while I was there (he was Canadian). He was partnered with a native born American and it had taken him 10 years to get his citizenship. Why should he have to take a back seat to someone who came in to the country illegally?

I never said they should get citizenship, i said they should get a green card.. big difference..

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But you did say to give them a pass for coming into the country illegally.

PS you promised to put me on hide.

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But you did say to give them a pass for coming into the country illegally.

PS you promised to put me on hide.

Give them a pass??? I answered the OP's question about ideas on how to deal with the immigration, I answered that imo a green card should be given to those immigrants that have started a business and hired at least one American.. I think that is fair as it shuts up those Americans that use the "stealing jobs from Americans" line of BS to oppose immigration.. As this issue has been in political gridlock for years/decades, the number of immigrants here without a green card/visa is now at 11 million.. Are you so stupid to think that they are going to go someplace else simply cuz you dont like them here? The majority are staying here and as your politicians continue to twiddle their fat thumbs, the problem will just continue to increase in size.. Even if the US govt decided to hunt all them down and deport them, you simply cant afford the huge cost of that.. I made a suggestion that i thought was a good one that creates jobs, i dont see any of you "smart" Americans coming up with anything better..

yeah, you are back on hide.. posters like you and that other one give me more and more reason to not bother coming here.. its the same old mindless shite..

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Give them a pass??? I answered the OP's question about ideas on how to deal with the immigration, I answered that imo a green card should be given to those immigrants that have started a business and hired at least one American.. I think that is fair as it shuts up those Americans that use the "stealing jobs from Americans" line of BS to oppose immigration.. As this issue has been in political gridlock for years/decades, the number of immigrants here without a green card/visa is now at 11 million.. Are you so stupid to think that they are going to go someplace else simply cuz you dont like them here? The majority are staying here and as your politicians continue to twiddle their fat thumbs, the problem will just continue to increase in size.. Even if the US govt decided to hunt all them down and deport them, you simply cant afford the huge cost of that.. I made a suggestion that i thought was a good one that creates jobs, i dont see any of you "smart" Americans coming up with anything better..

yeah, you are back on hide.. posters like you and that other one give me more and more reason to not bother coming here.. its the same old mindless shite..

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Give them a pass??? I answered the OP's question about ideas on how to deal with the immigration, I answered that imo a green card should be given to those immigrants that have started a business and hired at least one American.. I think that is fair as it shuts up those Americans that use the "stealing jobs from Americans" line of BS to oppose immigration.. As this issue has been in political gridlock for years/decades, the number of immigrants here without a green card/visa is now at 11 million.. Are you so stupid to think that they are going to go someplace else simply cuz you dont like them here? The majority are staying here and as your politicians continue to twiddle their fat thumbs, the problem will just continue to increase in size.. Even if the US govt decided to hunt all them down and deport them, you simply cant afford the huge cost of that.. I made a suggestion that i thought was a good one that creates jobs, i dont see any of you "smart" Americans coming up with anything better..

yeah, you are back on hide.. posters like you and that other one give me more and more reason to not bother coming here.. its the same old mindless shite..

There's no correlation between unemployment and immigration. More hard workers means simply a bigger, faster growing economy. It's not a zero sum game.

Having strivers, those who take risks, work hard, have strong family values -- adds to the bounty of the nation. This has always been true, and there have always been the BAMA's who think the last wave of immigrants ruins the USA and brings the country down.

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Give them a pass??? I answered the OP's question about ideas on how to deal with the immigration, I answered that imo a green card should be given to those immigrants that have started a business and hired at least one American.. I think that is fair as it shuts up those Americans that use the "stealing jobs from Americans" line of BS to oppose immigration.. As this issue has been in political gridlock for years/decades, the number of immigrants here without a green card/visa is now at 11 million.. Are you so stupid to think that they are going to go someplace else simply cuz you dont like them here? The majority are staying here and as your politicians continue to twiddle their fat thumbs, the problem will just continue to increase in size.. Even if the US govt decided to hunt all them down and deport them, you simply cant afford the huge cost of that.. I made a suggestion that i thought was a good one that creates jobs, i dont see any of you "smart" Americans coming up with anything better..

yeah, you are back on hide.. posters like you and that other one give me more and more reason to not bother coming here.. its the same old mindless shite..

There's no correlation between unemployment and immigration. More hard workers means simply a bigger, faster growing economy. It's not a zero sum game.

Having strivers, those who take risks, work hard, have strong family values -- adds to the bounty of the nation. This has always been true, and there have always been the BAMA's who think the last wave of immigrants ruins the USA and brings the country down.

I have said it before but because you are a slow learner I will repeat it.
I AM ALL FOR IMMIGRANTS parts of my family came here in the rush in the late 19th century.
You cannot, or will not, comprehend that there is a big difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration.
Legal immigrants want to change to be Americans.
Illegal immigrants want America to change to match them.
Legal immigrants generally are law abiding.
Illegal immigrants start off by showing their contempt for out laws.
I never said I dislike immigrants, it is just another of her run of lies to say otherwise.
Your contention that we have no right to limit access to our country is simply out of touch with reality.
If these Illegals can boost the economy so much why is the economy in their country such a mess.
Remember if you say it is because the US economy is so much better you are admitting that it is America that boosts them not the other way around.
Legal immigration YES
Illegal immigration NO.
When you do anything that gives illegals any advantage over legal immigrants you encourage people to ignore the law.
If it is ok to ignore any law you don't like then no law can be enforced.
Simple enough for you?

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I have to say, growing up in Southern California, (in the San Fernando Valley). I can tell you that rampant illegal immigration killed the economy in So Cal

1) People occupied apartments in violation of housing laws (2-4 families in a one bed room apartment)
2) Crime went up in quiet, middle class neighborhoods
3) Local business failed and left
4) The schools were flooded with kids who could not speak english very well (as a result the schools were stuck teaching ESL classes all day)
5) The schools went broke
6) California's Medicaid (Called Medi-Cal) was overwhelmed and needed a federal bailout

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Give them a pass??? I answered the OP's question about ideas on how to deal with the immigration, I answered that imo a green card should be given to those immigrants that have started a business and hired at least one American.. I think that is fair as it shuts up those Americans that use the "stealing jobs from Americans" line of BS to oppose immigration.. As this issue has been in political gridlock for years/decades, the number of immigrants here without a green card/visa is now at 11 million.. Are you so stupid to think that they are going to go someplace else simply cuz you dont like them here? The majority are staying here and as your politicians continue to twiddle their fat thumbs, the problem will just continue to increase in size.. Even if the US govt decided to hunt all them down and deport them, you simply cant afford the huge cost of that.. I made a suggestion that i thought was a good one that creates jobs, i dont see any of you "smart" Americans coming up with anything better..

yeah, you are back on hide.. posters like you and that other one give me more and more reason to not bother coming here.. its the same old mindless shite..

There's no correlation between unemployment and immigration. More hard workers means simply a bigger, faster growing economy. It's not a zero sum game.

Having strivers, those who take risks, work hard, have strong family values -- adds to the bounty of the nation. This has always been true, and there have always been the BAMA's who think the last wave of immigrants ruins the USA and brings the country down.

I have said it before but because you are a slow learner I will repeat it.
I AM ALL FOR IMMIGRANTS parts of my family came here in the rush in the late 19th century.
You cannot, or will not, comprehend that there is a big difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration.
Legal immigrants want to change to be Americans.
Illegal immigrants want America to change to match them.
Legal immigrants generally are law abiding.
Illegal immigrants start off by showing their contempt for out laws.
I never said I dislike immigrants, it is just another of her run of lies to say otherwise.
Your contention that we have no right to limit access to our country is simply out of touch with reality.
If these Illegals can boost the economy so much why is the economy in their country such a mess.
Remember if you say it is because the US economy is so much better you are admitting that it is America that boosts them not the other way around.
Legal immigration YES
Illegal immigration NO.
When you do anything that gives illegals any advantage over legal immigrants you encourage people to ignore the law.
If it is ok to ignore any law you don't like then no law can be enforced.
Simple enough for you?

I have to say, growing up in Southern California, (in the San Fernando Valley). I can tell you that rampant illegal immigration killed the economy in So Cal

1) People occupied apartments in violation of housing laws (2-4 families in a one bed room apartment)
2) Crime went up in quiet, middle class neighborhoods
3) Local business failed and left
4) The schools were flooded with kids who could not speak english very well (as a result the schools were stuck teaching ESL classes all day)
5) The schools went broke
6) California's Medicaid (Called Medi-Cal) was overwhelmed and needed a federal bailout

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Just a bit of semantics...

Illegal Alien contains several sub categories:
Undocumented Aliens that sneak across the border or do midnight landings in the Everglades.
Visa jumpers that stay after their visa expires.
Visa violators such as those that come in on a student visa then take jobs or obtain employment in other than the job their visa was sponsored for.
Visas gotten under false pretenses; (paid sponsorship, fake marriages, etc)


A "green card" and a Visa are different things. A visa is for a specific period of time for specific actions (i.e. day tourist visa). A green card is a permit for permanent residence and requires filing change of address with the State Department when movie and annually.

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Give them a pass??? I answered the OP's question about ideas on how to deal with the immigration, I answered that imo a green card should be given to those immigrants that have started a business and hired at least one American.. I think that is fair as it shuts up those Americans that use the "stealing jobs from Americans" line of BS to oppose immigration.. As this issue has been in political gridlock for years/decades, the number of immigrants here without a green card/visa is now at 11 million.. Are you so stupid to think that they are going to go someplace else simply cuz you dont like them here? The majority are staying here and as your politicians continue to twiddle their fat thumbs, the problem will just continue to increase in size.. Even if the US govt decided to hunt all them down and deport them, you simply cant afford the huge cost of that.. I made a suggestion that i thought was a good one that creates jobs, i dont see any of you "smart" Americans coming up with anything better..

yeah, you are back on hide.. posters like you and that other one give me more and more reason to not bother coming here.. its the same old mindless shite..

There's no correlation between unemployment and immigration. More hard workers means simply a bigger, faster growing economy. It's not a zero sum game.

Having strivers, those who take risks, work hard, have strong family values -- adds to the bounty of the nation. This has always been true, and there have always been the BAMA's who think the last wave of immigrants ruins the USA and brings the country down.

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Give them a pass??? I answered the OP's question about ideas on how to deal with the immigration, I answered that imo a green card should be given to those immigrants that have started a business and hired at least one American.. I think that is fair as it shuts up those Americans that use the "stealing jobs from Americans" line of BS to oppose immigration.. As this issue has been in political gridlock for years/decades, the number of immigrants here without a green card/visa is now at 11 million.. Are you so stupid to think that they are going to go someplace else simply cuz you dont like them here? The majority are staying here and as your politicians continue to twiddle their fat thumbs, the problem will just continue to increase in size.. Even if the US govt decided to hunt all them down and deport them, you simply cant afford the huge cost of that.. I made a suggestion that i thought was a good one that creates jobs, i dont see any of you "smart" Americans coming up with anything better..

yeah, you are back on hide.. posters like you and that other one give me more and more reason to not bother coming here.. its the same old mindless shite..

There's no correlation between unemployment and immigration. More hard workers means simply a bigger, faster growing economy. It's not a zero sum game.

Having strivers, those who take risks, work hard, have strong family values -- adds to the bounty of the nation. This has always been true, and there have always been the BAMA's who think the last wave of immigrants ruins the USA and brings the country down.

Yeah, I know..

Imo there are too many BAMA's in the US, I see the comments, not just here but on other sites as well and quite frankly, its all very sad..

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And as I pointed out that was a lie about me. I don't think immigrants are bad for the country but I think the failure to see the difference between legal and illegal immigrants is.

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And as I pointed out that was a lie about me. I don't think immigrants are bad for the country but I think the failure to see the difference between legal and illegal immigrants is.

They have to lie

Lies, ad hominems etc, are all they have

What kind of fool, cannot see or admit, that unlimited, unchecked illegal immigration from third world countries

A wide open border, in other words

Can and does have myriad negative consequences

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Give them a pass??? I answered the OP's question about ideas on how to deal with the immigration, I answered that imo a green card should be given to those immigrants that have started a business and hired at least one American.. I think that is fair as it shuts up those Americans that use the "stealing jobs from Americans" line of BS to oppose immigration.. As this issue has been in political gridlock for years/decades, the number of immigrants here without a green card/visa is now at 11 million.. Are you so stupid to think that they are going to go someplace else simply cuz you dont like them here? The majority are staying here and as your politicians continue to twiddle their fat thumbs, the problem will just continue to increase in size.. Even if the US govt decided to hunt all them down and deport them, you simply cant afford the huge cost of that.. I made a suggestion that i thought was a good one that creates jobs, i dont see any of you "smart" Americans coming up with anything better..

yeah, you are back on hide.. posters like you and that other one give me more and more reason to not bother coming here.. its the same old mindless shite..

There's no correlation between unemployment and immigration. More hard workers means simply a bigger, faster growing economy. It's not a zero sum game.

Having strivers, those who take risks, work hard, have strong family values -- adds to the bounty of the nation. This has always been true, and there have always been the BAMA's who think the last wave of immigrants ruins the USA and brings the country down.

Yeah, I know..

Imo there are too many BAMA's in the US, I see the comments, not just here but on other sites as well and quite frankly, its all very sad..

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Immigrants take a beating every time there is an economic downturn. We have not had any kind of reform since 1996 -- and that's 19 years ago. Reagan was the last President to offer folks a new pathway to a green card by waiving past violations and charging fines.

Past waivers to help jammed up immigrants stuck in no-man's land were passed to help families stay together from 1959-1981. Its now been 34 years since the US government offered anyone new pathways.

I kind of wish we could retroactively deport many of the assholes who oppose any kind of immigration reform. Take Ted Cruz -- he's the super poster boy asshole. His opposition to immigration reform is mind-boggling.

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Immigrants take a beating every time there is an economic downturn. We have not had any kind of reform since 1996 -- and that's 19 years ago. Reagan was the last President to offer folks a new pathway to a green card by waiving past violations and charging fines.
Past waivers to help jammed up immigrants stuck in no-man's land were passed to help families stay together from 1959-1981. Its now been 34 years since the US government offered anyone new pathways.
I kind of wish we could retroactively deport many of the assholes who oppose any kind of immigration reform. Take Ted Cruz -- he's the super poster boy asshole. His opposition to immigration reform is mind-boggling.

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