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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
With absolutely no merit on my part, I tend to aquire friends that are in, or have been in the US military special forces. For reasons I cannot, obviously, link here, I know that our guys spend a lot of time sitting on hilltops and infiltrating places to watch and track bad guys there.

Understood. I have one or two of those friends myself that have sat on those hilltops. I fully agree that our people are aware of what is going on and know what it will take to end it. But like you said, the political will is lacking.

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I can, with no proof, provide you a unsupported tertiary telling of a story of a special forces dude who somehow missed a pick up and had to sneak back across the border. Apparently it was a consternation for the Border Patrol and is funny in hindsight.

I even have my own personal story about being stuck on the other side of the border and having to enact a ruse to return to the US. Funny as shit in hindsight. Not so much at the time.

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
With absolutely no merit on my part, I tend to aquire friends that are in, or have been in the US military special forces. For reasons I cannot, obviously, link here, I know that our guys spend a lot of time sitting on hilltops and infiltrating places to watch and track bad guys there.

Understood. I have one or two of those friends myself that have sat on those hilltops. I fully agree that our people are aware of what is going on and know what it will take to end it. But like you said, the political will is lacking.

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I can, with no proof, provide you a unsupported tertiary telling of a story of a special forces dude who somehow missed a pick up and had to sneak back across the border. Apparently it was a consternation for the Border Patrol and is funny in hindsight.

I even have my own personal story about being stuck on the other side of the border and having to enact a ruse to return to the US. Funny as shit in hindsight. Not so much at the time.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

How about giving a green card to any illegal/undocumented immigrant that has started a small business and has hired at least 1 American? A program like this would also encourage immigrant workers to to start businesses instead.. Immigrants do start small businesses and create jobs, but for those that do, unless they can make enough money ($1 million verifiable & in the bank) to qualify under an EB-5 visa to become legal, they are at extreme risk and so are their employees.. deportation means the business is wiped out and those jobs are gone..

"Immigrants Twice As Likely To Start Businesses As U.S.-Born Citizens"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/immigrants-new-businesses_n_1499719.html

http://www.latitudenews.com/story/americas-newest-small-town-entrepreneurs-illegal-immigrants/

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/14/nation/la-na-ff-immigration-business-20130915

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
Everyone knows that we need some new ideas (I never had a good idea on immigration). All the Republicans do is demagogue. They say, they won't talk about it until we seal the border. Here is the reality: We will NEVER seal the border. It just isn't possible.


So now what???

How about giving a green card to any illegal/undocumented immigrant that has started a small business and has hired at least 1 American? A program like this would also encourage immigrant workers to to start businesses instead.. Immigrants do start small businesses and create jobs, but for those that do, unless they can make enough money ($1 million verifiable & in the bank) to qualify under an EB-5 visa to become legal, they are at extreme risk and so are their employees.. deportation means the business is wiped out and those jobs are gone..

"Immigrants Twice As Likely To Start Businesses As U.S.-Born Citizens"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/immigrants-new-businesses_n_1499719.html

http://www.latitudenews.com/story/americas-newest-small-town-entrepreneurs-illegal-immigrants/

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/14/nation/la-na-ff-immigration-business-20130915

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ORIGINAL: SirMatty1

I immigrated some 25 years ago bas on H1B to the US and I am citizen for almost 10.

I think most people discussing the topic don't appreciate the legal complexity.

Not only with the US, but also with the home country.
Just because you come to the US doesn't meant to deny your heritage.

I came from Germany and that process is quite difficult.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: SirMatty1

I immigrated some 25 years ago bas on H1B to the US and I am citizen for almost 10.

I think most people discussing the topic don't appreciate the legal complexity.

Not only with the US, but also with the home country.
Just because you come to the US doesn't meant to deny your heritage.

I came from Germany and that process is quite difficult.

So how would you feel about fast tracking illegals so they get citizenship faster and easier than you did.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tj444

How about giving a green card to any illegal/undocumented immigrant that has started a small business and has hired at least 1 American? A program like this would also encourage immigrant workers to to start businesses instead.. Immigrants do start small businesses and create jobs, but for those that do, unless they can make enough money ($1 million verifiable & in the bank) to qualify under an EB-5 visa to become legal, they are at extreme risk and so are their employees.. deportation means the business is wiped out and those jobs are gone..

"Immigrants Twice As Likely To Start Businesses As U.S.-Born Citizens"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/immigrants-new-businesses_n_1499719.html

http://www.latitudenews.com/story/americas-newest-small-town-entrepreneurs-illegal-immigrants/

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/14/nation/la-na-ff-immigration-business-20130915

How does an illegal start a business without committing more crimes with forgery. But anything to jump them ahead of the people who come here legally.

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ORIGINAL: SirMatty1

I immigrated some 25 years ago bas on H1B to the US and I am citizen for almost 10.

I think most people discussing the topic don't appreciate the legal complexity.

Not only with the US, but also with the home country.
Just because you come to the US doesn't meant to deny your heritage.

I came from Germany and that process is quite difficult.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

I'd have to guess that my buddy, a legally employed person of the US federal government, having been inserted with the fore knowledge of that government, showing up on the border with his team ( packing all gear out because if they didn't the military would charge them for it) was probably a little less frightful for them than your experience.

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
My astonishment wasn't really aimed at you. It was a general statement. There are several regular posters here that don't want the US to control who comes into the country.

I don't think there are any easy answers to this problem. But something is going to have to be done.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: SirMatty1
I immigrated some 25 years ago bas on H1B to the US and I am citizen for almost 10.
I think most people discussing the topic don't appreciate the legal complexity.
Not only with the US, but also with the home country.
Just because you come to the US doesn't meant to deny your heritage.
I came from Germany and that process is quite difficult.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
Everyone knows that we need some new ideas (I never had a good idea on immigration). All the Republicans do is demagogue. They say, they won't talk about it until we seal the border. Here is the reality: We will NEVER seal the border. It just isn't possible.


So now what???

How about giving a green card to any illegal/undocumented immigrant that has started a small business and has hired at least 1 American? A program like this would also encourage immigrant workers to to start businesses instead.. Immigrants do start small businesses and create jobs, but for those that do, unless they can make enough money ($1 million verifiable & in the bank) to qualify under an EB-5 visa to become legal, they are at extreme risk and so are their employees.. deportation means the business is wiped out and those jobs are gone..

"Immigrants Twice As Likely To Start Businesses As U.S.-Born Citizens"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/immigrants-new-businesses_n_1499719.html

http://www.latitudenews.com/story/americas-newest-small-town-entrepreneurs-illegal-immigrants/

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/14/nation/la-na-ff-immigration-business-20130915

You tell me. I read this years ago and I'm not going to claim it's true now. What I read was that ?Canada was getting so many illigals from China that they instituted new immigration laws that requires a prospective immigrant to show either an education that met a minimum or a bank account that showed they could start a business. You tell me if that's true and what the numbers were. At the time I read the article I thought Canada had been reasonable. So, I'd accept that law, if it really exists.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
Everyone knows that we need some new ideas (I never had a good idea on immigration). All the Republicans do is demagogue. They say, they won't talk about it until we seal the border. Here is the reality: We will NEVER seal the border. It just isn't possible.


So now what???

How about giving a green card to any illegal/undocumented immigrant that has started a small business and has hired at least 1 American? A program like this would also encourage immigrant workers to to start businesses instead.. Immigrants do start small businesses and create jobs, but for those that do, unless they can make enough money ($1 million verifiable & in the bank) to qualify under an EB-5 visa to become legal, they are at extreme risk and so are their employees.. deportation means the business is wiped out and those jobs are gone..

"Immigrants Twice As Likely To Start Businesses As U.S.-Born Citizens"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/immigrants-new-businesses_n_1499719.html

http://www.latitudenews.com/story/americas-newest-small-town-entrepreneurs-illegal-immigrants/

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/14/nation/la-na-ff-immigration-business-20130915

Legal immigrants nobody opposes them

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ORIGINAL: SirMatty1

I immigrated some 25 years ago bas on H1B to the US and I am citizen for almost 10.

I think most people discussing the topic don't appreciate the legal complexity.

Not only with the US, but also with the home country.
Just because you come to the US doesn't meant to deny your heritage.

I came from Germany and that process is quite difficult.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
Everyone knows that we need some new ideas (I never had a good idea on immigration). All the Republicans do is demagogue. They say, they won't talk about it until we seal the border. Here is the reality: We will NEVER seal the border. It just isn't possible.


So now what???

How about giving a green card to any illegal/undocumented immigrant that has started a small business and has hired at least 1 American? A program like this would also encourage immigrant workers to to start businesses instead.. Immigrants do start small businesses and create jobs, but for those that do, unless they can make enough money ($1 million verifiable & in the bank) to qualify under an EB-5 visa to become legal, they are at extreme risk and so are their employees.. deportation means the business is wiped out and those jobs are gone..

"Immigrants Twice As Likely To Start Businesses As U.S.-Born Citizens"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/immigrants-new-businesses_n_1499719.html

http://www.latitudenews.com/story/americas-newest-small-town-entrepreneurs-illegal-immigrants/

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/14/nation/la-na-ff-immigration-business-20130915

How does an illegal start a business without committing more crimes with forgery. But anything to jump them ahead of the people who come here legally.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
Everyone knows that we need some new ideas (I never had a good idea on immigration). All the Republicans do is demagogue. They say, they won't talk about it until we seal the border. Here is the reality: We will NEVER seal the border. It just isn't possible.


So now what???

How about giving a green card to any illegal/undocumented immigrant that has started a small business and has hired at least 1 American? A program like this would also encourage immigrant workers to to start businesses instead.. Immigrants do start small businesses and create jobs, but for those that do, unless they can make enough money ($1 million verifiable & in the bank) to qualify under an EB-5 visa to become legal, they are at extreme risk and so are their employees.. deportation means the business is wiped out and those jobs are gone..

"Immigrants Twice As Likely To Start Businesses As U.S.-Born Citizens"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/immigrants-new-businesses_n_1499719.html

http://www.latitudenews.com/story/americas-newest-small-town-entrepreneurs-illegal-immigrants/

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/14/nation/la-na-ff-immigration-business-20130915

You tell me. I read this years ago and I'm not going to claim it's true now. What I read was that ?Canada was getting so many illigals from China that they instituted new immigration laws that requires a prospective immigrant to show either an education that met a minimum or a bank account that showed they could start a business. You tell me if that's true and what the numbers were. At the time I read the article I thought Canada had been reasonable. So, I'd accept that law, if it really exists.

Immigration laws in Canada have changed over time, they have tried various things.. but at least the Canadian govt looks at the results and if its not what they want then they make changes or try to address the problems... the same cant be said for the US as there has been a shut-down on the whole immigration reform thing, your govt is in gridlock and have been for years and will be in the future for years..

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
I agree. Back in '86 Reagan agreed with Kennedy and other leading Democrates to make a new immigration law based on three things. Amnesty for 2.5 million here already who could prove they were working and paying their way, employer sanctions for hiring illigals, and tough border enforcement. Kennedy took the amnesty and reneged on the other two. We're still in gridlock waiting for the other two facets and the current Democratic crop is trying to run the same scam again. It's simple really. Enforce the entire fricking law passed in '86. That is what the left promised, that is what they now want to officially ignore as opposed to pretending.