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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Scenario 1 happened to my brother. Scenario 2 happened to a friend of mine. Scenario 3 I made up. But I imagine it has happened.


No. I am not saying that women are evil, vindictive people who commonly do this sort of thing. What I AM saying is men have NO rights when this sort of thing happens, and NO politician is bold enough to take this issue on.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Scenario 1 happened to my brother. Scenario 2 happened to a friend of mine. Scenario 3 I made up. But I imagine it has happened.


No. I am not saying that women are evil, vindictive people who commonly do this sort of thing. What I AM saying is men have NO rights when this sort of thing happens, and NO politician is bold enough to take this issue on.

maybe knowing the woman a whole lot better and making sure you are both on the same page about babies, etc before hitting the sack would be a good first step.. using a condom or better yet, getting snipped would also be a good idea.. and talking to a lawyer, maybe writing a contract on what happens if, with both parties agreeing in writing to it (before hitting the sack)..

If you didnt know, parents (both female & male) that use a surrogate to have a baby have a lot of legal challenges also.. its not just you poor, poor men..

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Scenario 1 happened to my brother. Scenario 2 happened to a friend of mine. Scenario 3 I made up. But I imagine it has happened.


No. I am not saying that women are evil, vindictive people who commonly do this sort of thing. What I AM saying is men have NO rights when this sort of thing happens, and NO politician is bold enough to take this issue on.

maybe knowing the woman a whole lot better and making sure you are both on the same page about babies, etc before hitting the sack would be a good first step.. using a condom or better yet, getting snipped would also be a good idea.. and talking to a lawyer, maybe writing a contract on what happens if, with both parties agreeing in writing to it (before hitting the sack)..

If you didnt know, parents (both female & male) that use a surrogate to have a baby have a lot of legal challenges also.. its not just you poor, poor men..

Both my brother, and my friend (ex-friend actually) are notorious for making bad choices. But that is completely beside the point. Frankly, for that matter I cannot see anything in your entire post that is relevant to the point of the thread.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Scenario 1 happened to my brother. Scenario 2 happened to a friend of mine. Scenario 3 I made up. But I imagine it has happened.


No. I am not saying that women are evil, vindictive people who commonly do this sort of thing. What I AM saying is men have NO rights when this sort of thing happens, and NO politician is bold enough to take this issue on.

maybe knowing the woman a whole lot better and making sure you are both on the same page about babies, etc before hitting the sack would be a good first step.. using a condom or better yet, getting snipped would also be a good idea.. and talking to a lawyer, maybe writing a contract on what happens if, with both parties agreeing in writing to it (before hitting the sack)..

If you didnt know, parents (both female & male) that use a surrogate to have a baby have a lot of legal challenges also.. its not just you poor, poor men..

Both my brother, and my friend (ex-friend actually) are notorious for making bad choices. But that is completely beside the point. Frankly, for that matter I cannot see anything in your entire post that is relevant to the point of the thread.

if you men want to have a baby, then hire a surrogate.. try one in India..

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Scenario 1 happened to my brother. Scenario 2 happened to a friend of mine. Scenario 3 I made up. But I imagine it has happened.


No. I am not saying that women are evil, vindictive people who commonly do this sort of thing. What I AM saying is men have NO rights when this sort of thing happens, and NO politician is bold enough to take this issue on.

maybe knowing the woman a whole lot better and making sure you are both on the same page about babies, etc before hitting the sack would be a good first step.. using a condom or better yet, getting snipped would also be a good idea.. and talking to a lawyer, maybe writing a contract on what happens if, with both parties agreeing in writing to it (before hitting the sack)..

If you didnt know, parents (both female & male) that use a surrogate to have a baby have a lot of legal challenges also.. its not just you poor, poor men..

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Scenario 1 happened to my brother. Scenario 2 happened to a friend of mine. Scenario 3 I made up. But I imagine it has happened.


No. I am not saying that women are evil, vindictive people who commonly do this sort of thing. What I AM saying is men have NO rights when this sort of thing happens, and NO politician is bold enough to take this issue on.

maybe knowing the woman a whole lot better and making sure you are both on the same page about babies, etc before hitting the sack would be a good first step.. using a condom or better yet, getting snipped would also be a good idea.. and talking to a lawyer, maybe writing a contract on what happens if, with both parties agreeing in writing to it (before hitting the sack)..

If you didnt know, parents (both female & male) that use a surrogate to have a baby have a lot of legal challenges also.. its not just you poor, poor men..

Maybe we should tell all of the single mothers that no they can't have child care, no they can't have welfare, no they should have known the men they were making babies with better.

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Yes. Mens Reproductive Rights. When will their ever be a candidate (of either gender) bold enough to stand up to the feminists and fight for Mens Reproductive Rights.

Consider the following Scenarios:

1) Man and Woman are sexually active in a monogamous relationship (I know, the horror). The woman decides to leave the man and extort money from him. She says "I'm pregnant", and if you ever want to see your future son/daughter, you will pay my rent, and medical bills. The man, fearing looking like an uncaring parent in a future custody hearing, complies. The woman eventually disappears. There may have been a baby. There may not. The man has NO rights until the baby is born AND he can find her. The woman has no legal obligation to even tell the potential father where she and their potential child are, at any time. If she is pregnant, she can abort the pregnancy without his knowledge, let alone consent.

2) Same scenario as #1, except there is definitely a baby. The woman disappears right before giving birth, and continues to extort money from the man from an undisclosed location, sending him pictures of his son, and threatening to cut off all contact if he stopped sending her money. All he could do is hire an investigator to try and find her.

3) A man and a woman are legally married. The woman is pregnant. The pregnancy is going fine during the first trimester, until one day, she comes home and says "I just aborted the pregnancy. I didn't feel like having a baby". The man has absolutely zero rights unless there is a baby.


Scenario 1 happened to my brother. Scenario 2 happened to a friend of mine. Scenario 3 I made up. But I imagine it has happened.


No. I am not saying that women are evil, vindictive people who commonly do this sort of thing. What I AM saying is men have NO rights when this sort of thing happens, and NO politician is bold enough to take this issue on.

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Scenario 1 happened to my brother. Scenario 2 happened to a friend of mine. Scenario 3 I made up. But I imagine it has happened.


No. I am not saying that women are evil, vindictive people who commonly do this sort of thing. What I AM saying is men have NO rights when this sort of thing happens, and NO politician is bold enough to take this issue on.

maybe knowing the woman a whole lot better and making sure you are both on the same page about babies, etc before hitting the sack would be a good first step.. using a condom or better yet, getting snipped would also be a good idea.. and talking to a lawyer, maybe writing a contract on what happens if, with both parties agreeing in writing to it (before hitting the sack)..

If you didnt know, parents (both female & male) that use a surrogate to have a baby have a lot of legal challenges also.. its not just you poor, poor men..

Both my brother, and my friend (ex-friend actually) are notorious for making bad choices. But that is completely beside the point. Frankly, for that matter I cannot see anything in your entire post that is relevant to the point of the thread.

if you men want to have a baby, then hire a surrogate.. try one in India..

WOW. Just wow...

I suppose it NEVER occurred to you that there are men who want to be and are capable of being great fathers, husbands, and leaders of their households? And yes, they would like to be in involved in their children's lives?

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Scenario 1 happened to my brother. Scenario 2 happened to a friend of mine. Scenario 3 I made up. But I imagine it has happened.


No. I am not saying that women are evil, vindictive people who commonly do this sort of thing. What I AM saying is men have NO rights when this sort of thing happens, and NO politician is bold enough to take this issue on.

maybe knowing the woman a whole lot better and making sure you are both on the same page about babies, etc before hitting the sack would be a good first step.. using a condom or better yet, getting snipped would also be a good idea.. and talking to a lawyer, maybe writing a contract on what happens if, with both parties agreeing in writing to it (before hitting the sack)..

If you didnt know, parents (both female & male) that use a surrogate to have a baby have a lot of legal challenges also.. its not just you poor, poor men..

Both my brother, and my friend (ex-friend actually) are notorious for making bad choices. But that is completely beside the point. Frankly, for that matter I cannot see anything in your entire post that is relevant to the point of the thread.

if you men want to have a baby, then hire a surrogate.. try one in India..

WOW. Just wow...

I suppose it NEVER occurred to you that there are men who want to be and are capable of being great fathers, husbands, and leaders of their households? And yes, they would like to be in involved in their children's lives?

sure there are.. I wanted to have kids with my ex (before he was my ex) but he had excuses why not now and so he robbed me of the chance to have a baby just as you claim happened in your examples, there is no difference.. but i am not going around whining and complaining about it.. Instead when i want to have a baby/babies i will not bother with a boyfriend/hubby and instead I will use donors and a surrogate.. A lot less hassle and less costly too, I'd say.. If i have a boyfriend then he would have no legal rights to the child and so no hassle & legal headaches like parent couples have..

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

In Florida, a man is the father of any children his wife has while they are married. And will be held responsible for those children, even if there is no biological possibility they are his genetic heirs.

So if a pregnant woman marries someone new, the biological father has no rights to the child. But if your wife has an NBA gangbang, happy Father's Day.

Always seemed like legal cuckolding to me.

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Yes. Mens Reproductive Rights. When will their ever be a candidate (of either gender) bold enough to stand up to the feminists and fight for Mens Reproductive Rights.

Consider the following Scenarios:

1) Man and Woman are sexually active in a monogamous relationship (I know, the horror). The woman decides to leave the man and extort money from him. She says "I'm pregnant", and if you ever want to see your future son/daughter, you will pay my rent, and medical bills. The man, fearing looking like an uncaring parent in a future custody hearing, complies. The woman eventually disappears. There may have been a baby. There may not. The man has NO rights until the baby is born AND he can find her. The woman has no legal obligation to even tell the potential father where she and their potential child are, at any time. If she is pregnant, she can abort the pregnancy without his knowledge, let alone consent.

2) Same scenario as #1, except there is definitely a baby. The woman disappears right before giving birth, and continues to extort money from the man from an undisclosed location, sending him pictures of his son, and threatening to cut off all contact if he stopped sending her money. All he could do is hire an investigator to try and find her.

3) A man and a woman are legally married. The woman is pregnant. The pregnancy is going fine during the first trimester, until one day, she comes home and says "I just aborted the pregnancy. I didn't feel like having a baby". The man has absolutely zero rights unless there is a baby.


Scenario 1 happened to my brother. Scenario 2 happened to a friend of mine. Scenario 3 I made up. But I imagine it has happened.


No. I am not saying that women are evil, vindictive people who commonly do this sort of thing. What I AM saying is men have NO rights when this sort of thing happens, and NO politician is bold enough to take this issue on.

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

In Florida, a man is the father of any children his wife has while they are married. And will be held responsible for those children, even if there is no biological possibility they are his genetic heirs.

So if a pregnant woman marries someone new, the biological father has no rights to the child. But if your wife has an NBA gangbang, happy Father's Day.

Always seemed like legal cuckolding to me.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

i think part of the gist of the thread is meant to be an identification of how inequitable the law is between men and women when it comes to children...

and id add too, as hunter hinted at, how contemporary liberal society and culture has made men secondary in the whole scene. the creation of the concept of "baby daddies" as opposed to fathers has been horribly detrimental to so many people caught up in that.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

In Florida, a man is the father of any children his wife has while they are married. And will be held responsible for those children, even if there is no biological possibility they are his genetic heirs.

So if a pregnant woman marries someone new, the biological father has no rights to the child. But if your wife has an NBA gangbang, happy Father's Day.

Always seemed like legal cuckolding to me.

isnt florida one of the states where rapists can demand custody and visitation rights for the victims resulting child? ?