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RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child - 8/10/2015 5:29:53 PM   
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Again....... you are talking bollocks. The Israeli site you claim to be anti Israeli is just pointing out what is taking place.

Obviously, in your opinion, anyone speaking out on ethnic cleansing and murderous firebomb attacks on Palestinian homes, has to be one of the following, left wing, anti Israeli, or making personal trollish attacks on your continued bullshit.



Actually, what we are seeing again and again and again on these Israel bashing threads of yours and tweakas, is the same shit over and over and over again

Jews bad, Islamic terrorists, pure as whatever

Usually using the same propaganda sources and shamelessly attacking anyone who points out your repetitive propaganda techniques

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RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child - 8/11/2015 3:29:43 AM   
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Again....... you are talking bollocks. The Israeli site you claim to be anti Israeli is just pointing out what is taking place.

Obviously, in your opinion, anyone speaking out on ethnic cleansing and murderous firebomb attacks on Palestinian homes, has to be one of the following, left wing, anti Israeli, or making personal trollish attacks on your continued bullshit.



Actually, what we are seeing again and again and again on these Israel bashing threads of yours and tweakas, is the same shit over and over and over again

Jews bad, Islamic terrorists, pure as whatever

Usually using the same propaganda sources and shamelessly attacking anyone who points out your repetitive propaganda techniques


Actually, what we are seeing again and again and again on these Israel related threads is the same tired shit from you over and over and over again. No one has claimed that "Jews [are] bad" or that "Islamic terrorists [are] pure as whatever". If you wish to maintain this claim, then it's a matter of simplicity to identify those posts that have made these claims ..... the ball is in your court to support your claims with evidence.

Whereas people like Polite and myself post verifiable facts and reputable links to support our views, all we get in return is empty unsupported insinuations of bias and the trolling in which you seem to specialise. For example, in the half dozen or so posts from you on the previous page, there is not a single fact posted. We are still waiting to see what facts and evidence inform your views on the topic.

The sole relevant opinion you posted - that B'Tselem, the Israeli human rights organisation is "anti-Israel" - is ridiculous. B'Tselem's role is protect human rights in Israel and Occupied Palestine. It is significant that it criticised the internment of Israeli ultra nationalists as strongly as it criticises the innumerable human rights abuses inflicted on Palestinians by the IDF terrorists and settler/colonist thugs. If it appears to be anti-Israel to you that is because Israel is a human rights abuser on an industrial scale, as the mountains of evidence show indisputably. Your inane claim that it's "anti-Israel" makes as much sense as calling the ACLU 'anti-American' because it focuses on human rights abuses in the USA. B'Tselem is pro-human rights and pro- the rule of law, and is fearless in pointing out abuses of the rule of law and human rights both in Israel and Occupied Palestine.

I look forward to seeing you posting some of the facts that inform your perspective on Palestine/Israel. On the evidence to date, the only possible conclusion is that there are no facts or evidence supporting your perspective. If you wish to raise the level of discussion (as you repeatedly claim), then one obvious way to so that is to post some of the facts that inform your views.

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RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child - 8/11/2015 8:36:20 AM   
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" the ball is in your court to support your claims with evidence..."

"Whereas people like Polite and myself post verifiable facts and reputable links..."

"I look forward to seeing you posting some of the facts..."

Using a link I pointed out the fact that anyone visiting your http://www.btselem.org/ propaganda source would quickly and easily see that it is all anti-Israel, all of the time here, two pages ago. I provided the link. I provided the fact.

Since then its been you and your troll friends working to make it personal, because you dont have links, and you dont have facts


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RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child - 8/11/2015 8:47:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Still unable or unwilling to post a single fact. Unable and unwilling to support your absurd claims with any evidence. Just inane accusations and trolling. You deserve a medal for consistency if nothing else, and as there is nothing else in your posts, not a single point of any consequence, that's what you get. The prize for CM's most consistent troll. Take a bow!

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RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child - 8/11/2015 8:51:31 AM   
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Still unable or unwilling to post a single fact. Unable and unwilling to support your absurd claims with any evidence. Just inane accusations and trolling. You deserve a medal for consistency if nothing else, and as there is nothing else in your posts, not a single point of any consequence, that's what you get. The prize for CM's most consistent troll. Take a bow!


Well, except that I am the only here in this thread who is actually posting facts.

(Thats another personal attack, troll).

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RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child - 8/11/2015 10:10:26 AM   
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You havent given a single fact in the last two pages. You cant even find something to rebut her info with , just ...your opinion...which is what ...*worth five bucks n a cup of coffee*?




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RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child - 8/11/2015 10:42:26 AM   
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No, it's a fact that the website is all anti-Israel, all of the time. Anyone who clicks on the link sees that.

It is not a balanced source, per my original observation. That's a fact, practically the only fact posted in the entire thread

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RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child - 8/11/2015 11:39:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm sure finding a 'balanced' Israeli source is as difficult as finding a balanced American one. The atrocities reported by btselem.org aren't necessarily inaccurate because of how many there are though.

The BBC always calls the party not belonging to the President or Prime Minister 'the opposition party', which sounds rather aggressive when you're talking of relatively peaceful countries.

I see no reason to consider a website devoted to government accountability as anti-government, unless the funding of the website comes from a source that pushes a particular agenda.

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RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child - 8/11/2015 11:52:30 AM   
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I'm sure finding a 'balanced' Israeli source is as difficult as finding a balanced American one. The atrocities reported by btselem.org aren't necessarily inaccurate because of how many there are though.

The BBC always calls the party not belonging to the President or Prime Minister 'the opposition party', which sounds rather aggressive when you're talking of relatively peaceful countries.

I see no reason to consider a website devoted to government accountability as anti-government, unless the funding of the website comes from a source that pushes a particular agenda.


I sometimes tease my slave that a given transgression is okay as long as she has an excuse (which she always does).

She cringes when she hears that, because she has an idea of what is soon to come



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RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child - 8/11/2015 12:44:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Touching story, yet that has no relevance to media documenting government atrocities or problems.

Freedom of the press is a necessary protection in civilized society. Obviously, even here, the media can push an agenda or report with a bias.

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RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child - 8/11/2015 1:02:53 PM   
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Touching story, yet that has no relevance to media documenting government atrocities or problems.

Freedom of the press is a necessary protection in civilized society. Obviously, even here, the media can push an agenda or report with a bias.


That you fail to understand somethings relevance does not make a thing irrelevant

You came with an excuse, its difficult finding unbiased sources that further the far left narrative

As if requesting facts from a balanced, reputable source is too much to ask before we agree to join you in casting stones

Sure, propagandists can push their lies and their hateful mantra, but by the same token I am free to point out that your sources are nothing other than propagandists


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RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child - 8/12/2015 1:34:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Back in the real world, there are more signs that the BDS boycott movement is growing new teeth. Europeans are said to be discussing extending the blacklist to any Israeli bank that is active in Occupied Palestine. Effectively this means the entire Israeli banking sector, as all Israeli banks supply mortgages to properties purchased by Israelis in Occupied Palestine. It seems the Europeans are compelled to blacklist such banks as they as financing developments (ie the so called settlements or more properly colonies) in the West Bank and all of these 'developments' are serious breaches of international law.

"The Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv (Hebrew) has a splashing headline today warning that Israeli banks are preparing for a “political-economic tsunami” due to the possibility of an impending European boycott. Unsurprisingly, the banks – Israel’s largest – have been holding meetings amongst themselves to prepare for this tsunami, albeit “quietly and under the radar”.

According to Ma’ariv there is “increasing evidence in recent weeks” that the European Union is considering recommendations published in a policy paper last month by the European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR). Heavily reported at the time (our coverage here), ECFR’s policy paper warned that transactions between European states and Israeli financial institutions are obligated to adhere to EU policies based on international law when providing loans and financing to Israeli businesses, institutions and individuals in transaction with the illegal Israeli settlements enterprise.

- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/flipping-looming-european#sthash.IdZysEVD.dpuf

In an intriguing afterthought it appears that the US is not inclined to come to Israel's assistance, as it has so often in the past. Mondoweiss quotes Ma'ariv as saying:
"Further deterioration in relations between Israel and the United States downplays the chances that the Americans will try to curb this European action. Maybe the opposite is true. According to various diplomatic sources, the Americans have actually released the reins on Europe and are encouraging Europe to intensify its operations against the continuation of Israel’s settlement policy in the territories."

It seems that Netanyahoo has tweaked Obama's nose once too often ....

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RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child - 8/12/2015 4:46:20 PM   
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Again....... you are talking bollocks. The Israeli site you claim to be anti Israeli is just pointing out what is taking place.

Obviously, in your opinion, anyone speaking out on ethnic cleansing and murderous firebomb attacks on Palestinian homes, has to be one of the following, left wing, anti Israeli, or making personal trollish attacks on your continued bullshit.



Actually, what we are seeing again and again and again on these Israel bashing threads of yours and tweakas, is the same shit over and over and over again

Jews bad, Islamic terrorists, pure as whatever

Usually using the same propaganda sources and shamelessly attacking anyone who points out your repetitive propaganda techniques


Actually you are still talking bollocks and trying to avoid the real issue of ethnic cleansing. But let me get this into persepctive and pick out your few salient points.

1) An Israeli source is obviously anti-Israeli and there is no chance they are speaking the truth.
2) Tweaks and I are just Israeli bashing because we have pointed out that fact.
3) The thread consists of little more than attcaks on you and not your imbecilic posts.
4) The recent deaths and injuries, horrific as they are, are of no consequence because you dont like the message or the messenger.
5) The thread is all about you and you are pissed because Tweaks and I are making the OP the topic.

The list is endless bruv, but I really cant be arsed with you today.


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RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child - 8/13/2015 2:01:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Will so much for the crackdown... it seems the Israeli terrorists were at it again...at least this time it was only property.

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RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child - 8/13/2015 4:46:26 PM   
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Will so much for the crackdown... it seems the Israeli terrorists were at it again...at least this time it was only property.

Butch


Exactly my point Butch....... All the time it was only property or orange groves, precious little was done by the authorities.

CNN were reporting that the new attack was in revenge due to the arrest of those suspected of the previous attack. This bullshit will continue until the illegal settlements are halted permanately.



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RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child - 8/14/2015 12:41:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		From the CNN website's reporting of this latest act of Israeli terrorism:
"Extremists have carried out dozens of price tag attacks since 2008.

Attacks have targeted Palestinian property, holy sites or individuals, and some have been deadly. Last summer, tensions soared after 16-year-old Mohammed Abu Khdeir was abducted and killed in Jerusalem in what prosecutors said was retaliation for the deaths of three Israeli teens. Besides incidents classed as price tag attacks, Palestinians are subject to frequent violence at the hands of right-wing extremists in the West Bank, according to senior Palestinian figures. A report submitted at a meeting of Arab League foreign ministers by the Palestine Liberation Organization last week claimed that since 2004, Israeli settlers have carried out more than 11,000 attacks against Palestinians in the West Bank."
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/13/middleeast/mideast-palestinian-arson-attack/

I wonder will we see claims from any of the few remaining individuals who deny the reality of Israel's policy of ethnic cleansing that CNN is "anti-Israel" or similar nonsense? The quoted figure of over 11,000 attacks does not include the many murderous rampages conducted by IDF terrorists - it is the 'work' of a small minority of far Right settler/colonist thugs who are usually religiously- or ideologically motivated.

The CNN report ought to vaporise any remaining doubts about the accuracy of my claims that ethnic cleansing violence from both the settlers/colonists and the IDF are daily facts of life that Palestinians have to live with. It is operating at such massive levels that it is impossible to imagine that it is anything but State sponsored, and the perpetrators are operating in a culture of impunity for their actions. Rather than being the innocent victim of terrorism the Israeli Govt likes to portray, Israel is a serial perpetrator of State sponsored terrorism. Israel is a terrorist State heavily subsidised by US tax dollars.

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RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child - 8/14/2015 4:45:21 AM   
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From the CNN website's reporting of this latest act of Israeli terrorism:
"Extremists have carried out dozens of price tag attacks since 2008.

Attacks have targeted Palestinian property, holy sites or individuals, and some have been deadly. Last summer, tensions soared after 16-year-old Mohammed Abu Khdeir was abducted and killed in Jerusalem in what prosecutors said was retaliation for the deaths of three Israeli teens. Besides incidents classed as price tag attacks, Palestinians are subject to frequent violence at the hands of right-wing extremists in the West Bank, according to senior Palestinian figures. A report submitted at a meeting of Arab League foreign ministers by the Palestine Liberation Organization last week claimed that since 2004, Israeli settlers have carried out more than 11,000 attacks against Palestinians in the West Bank."
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/13/middleeast/mideast-palestinian-arson-attack/

I wonder will we see claims from any of the few remaining individuals who deny the reality of Israel's policy of ethnic cleansing that CNN is "anti-Israel" or similar nonsense? The quoted figure of over 11,000 attacks does not include the many murderous rampages conducted by IDF terrorists - it is the 'work' of a small minority of far Right settler/colonist thugs who are usually religiously- or ideologically motivated.

The CNN report ought to vaporise any remaining doubts about the accuracy of my claims that ethnic cleansing violence from both the settlers/colonists and the IDF are daily facts of life that Palestinians have to live with. It is operating at such massive levels that it is impossible to imagine that it is anything but State sponsored, and the perpetrators are operating in a culture of impunity for their actions. Rather than being the innocent victim of terrorism the Israeli Govt likes to portray, Israel is a serial perpetrator of State sponsored terrorism. Israel is a terrorist State heavily subsidised by US tax dollars.


"Israeli terrorism"?

Is that like "Muslim terrorism"?



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RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child - 8/14/2015 4:51:58 AM   
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It applies to more than muslims.
look it up...in a real dictionary


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RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child - 8/14/2015 4:53:44 AM   
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do you understand the word terrorism?
It applies to more than muslims.
look it up...in a real dictionary



You are an idiot

I didnt write anything like it doesnt apply to other groups


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RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child - 8/14/2015 4:57:21 AM   
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"Israeli terrorism"?

Is that like "Muslim terrorism"?



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