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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/6/2015 6:36:03 PM   
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No one is breaking the law and the other is enforcing it by our mandate.


... Except, re the former, when it's conducting legitimate protest, which is a central tenet of democracy. Re the latter - except when it's not doing what it's supposed to do - e.g killing black people unnecessarily.

Calling for the murder of cops is not legitimate protest, it is a central tenet of anarchy. Even in most of the cases when they kill black people "unnecessarily" when all the facts come out it proves otherwise. But then our press ignores that and uses the case as "proof" of how brutal and racist cops are when the next " unnecessary" killing takes place. No matter how many cops are cleared even one conviction "prooves" every accusation, even cases were the cop was cleared "prooves" the next accusation. I doubt that your press is any more fair to our cops than our press is.
I also find it almost amusing that rather than address the problem of racism in BLM those on the left want to pretend that this too is the cops fault.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/6/2015 6:39:24 PM   
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Didn't about half of the Ferguson PD get fired


No... only one out of 72

The chief,a captain and a sergent and of course the officer involved makes 4 and counting.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/6/2015 7:21:15 PM   
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Calling for the murder of cops is not legitimate protest, it is a central tenet of anarchy


Yes. However, I'm assuming that some, or perhaps many or even most, people who associate themselves with BLM aren't calling for this.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/6/2015 8:06:51 PM   
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Calling for the murder of cops is not legitimate protest, it is a central tenet of anarchy


Yes. However, I'm assuming that some, or perhaps many or even most, people who associate themselves with BLM aren't calling for this.

Perhaps not but some, perhaps even most, Klansmen didn't approve of blowing up little girls at church. But just like those Klansmen none disagree enough to speak up so they, like the Klansmen are giving their tacit agreement.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/6/2015 8:31:37 PM   
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killing black people unnecessarily.


This simply is not true unless you want to assign the actions of one or two officers to the million or so in the US.

If we don't want to use force on people that resist arrest then lets tell our officers... but to me I think it would be better not to defend people that first break the law then resist arrest...who really is at fault here and needs to change.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/6/2015 8:50:30 PM   
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Says it all.



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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/6/2015 9:35:54 PM   
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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/6/2015 10:56:01 PM   
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Somehow, I'm not convinced



Yeah. I hear ya. Someday, soon, they may bring this site back to when it was cutting edge for 2004.

Until then, the photo was a guy, wearing a T-Shirt that read: "Hate cops? Next time you need help, call a crackhead."



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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/6/2015 11:23:06 PM   
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Somehow, I'm not convinced

Yeah. I hear ya. Someday, soon, they may bring this site back to when it was cutting edge for 2004.

Until then, the photo was a guy, wearing a T-Shirt that read: "Hate cops? Next time you need help, call a crackhead."



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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/7/2015 3:28:02 AM   
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This simply is not true unless you want to assign the actions of one or two officers to the million or so in the US.
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That's the crux of the problem though, isn't it? On each side, the assignment of the actions of members of a group to the whole group. This is the first step in turning it into the good old 'war between two sides', in which you pick your side, tool up ... we all know where it goes.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/7/2015 4:22:46 AM   
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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/7/2015 9:49:14 AM   
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This simply is not true unless you want to assign the actions of one or two officers to the million or so in the US.
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That's the crux of the problem though, isn't it? On each side, the assignment of the actions of members of a group to the whole group. This is the first step in turning it into the good old 'war between two sides', in which you pick your side, tool up ... we all know where it goes.

You are right, of course, taking sides against racist terrorists will only makes things worse, after all the violence in the 60's was caused by people taking sides agaist violent racists like the Klan, if they hadn't things would have been so much better. You remind me of the city council in High Noon.


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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/7/2015 10:20:56 AM   
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You are right, of course, taking sides against racist terrorists will only makes things worse, after all the violence in the 60's was caused by people taking sides agaist violent racists like the Klan, if they hadn't things would have been so much better. You remind me of the city council in High Noon.



Enough of the cynicism, Bama. I've already said that I'm not on the side of those who threaten to kill police and see all police as the enemy. I don't give a rat's anus what I remind you of: I'm not going to get drawn into a self-defeating and destructive 'You're one side or the other and that's that' - and I'd still advise that nobody else get drawn into that either.

Like it or not, there are clearly an awful lot of people who *do* see the police as racist. This means that they're going to see the police, as a group, as treating them - black people - as though they and their lives matter less than whites and the lives of whites. The phrase 'Black Lives Matter' is going to articulate what they feel and it'd be no surprise to me that they'd want to protest under that banner.


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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/7/2015 10:21:09 AM   
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You remind me of the city council in High Noon.


You remind me of a man who watches a lot of T.V.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/7/2015 10:24:09 AM   
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Did anyone else see where a BLM member and a new Black Panther were convicted of a bombing plot during the Ferguson riots last year and of providing firearms illegally to convicted felons participating in the "peaceful" demonstrations by burning and looting?


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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/7/2015 10:35:51 AM   
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Did anyone else see where a BLM member and a new Black Panther were convicted of a bombing plot during the Ferguson riots last year and of providing firearms illegally to convicted felons participating in the "peaceful" demonstrations by burning and looting?



No but I would like to see a link to it.


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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/7/2015 11:33:30 AM   
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You are right, of course, taking sides against racist terrorists will only makes things worse, after all the violence in the 60's was caused by people taking sides agaist violent racists like the Klan, if they hadn't things would have been so much better. You remind me of the city council in High Noon.



Enough of the cynicism, Bama. I've already said that I'm not on the side of those who threaten to kill police and see all police as the enemy. I don't give a rat's anus what I remind you of: I'm not going to get drawn into a self-defeating and destructive 'You're one side or the other and that's that' - and I'd still advise that nobody else get drawn into that either.

Like it or not, there are clearly an awful lot of people who *do* see the police as racist. This means that they're going to see the police, as a group, as treating them - black people - as though they and their lives matter less than whites and the lives of whites. The phrase 'Black Lives Matter' is going to articulate what they feel and it'd be no surprise to me that they'd want to protest under that banner.


Hey, I know that there are lots of people who hate cops.
The point of this thread is that BLM is feeding that for political gain, and many of the left are manipulating them for their own gains.
Not condeming them is the same as those people who, in the 60's, made excuses for the Klan. Face it and deal with it.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/7/2015 12:20:59 PM   
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Not condeming them is the same as those people who, in the 60's, made excuses for the Klan. Face it and deal with it.


Defending the klan is different from defending racist cops in what way?

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/7/2015 12:22:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		No... there is a difference in being fired and resigning...only one officer was fired... the other was a clerk.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/7/2015 12:28:15 PM   
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This simply is not true unless you want to assign the actions of one or two officers to the million or so in the US.
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That's the crux of the problem though, isn't it? On each side, the assignment of the actions of members of a group to the whole group. This is the first step in turning it into the good old 'war between two sides', in which you pick your side, tool up ... we all know where it goes.



No this is not true either... do you see police burning and looting?...Do you see police spitting in the faces of protesters?... Do you see police telling protester they will rape their daughter?... Do you see police blocking emergency vehicles and shooting at firemen that respond... No my friend there is a score where right and wrong is seen by anyone with their heads out of their butts.

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