BamaD
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No this is not true either... do you see police burning and looting?...Do you see police spitting in the faces of protesters?... Do you see police telling protester they will rape their daughter?... Do you see police blocking emergency vehicles and shooting at firemen that respond... No my friend there is a score where right and wrong is seen by anyone with their heads out of their butts.
Butch
I do see police killing black people, frequently, in circumstances that look at least suspicious. I also see that the police have the force and the sanction of the state behind them. What's much more to the point: this is clearly what an awful lot of black people see. Simply denying it, and maligning anyone - or any group - that sees it and demonstrates anger as a result, is really not going to go anywhere as a strategy. Beyond any question of 'are you pro cops or pro blacks?' - *That* is the nature of the massive butt in which too many heads are currently inserted.
Seriously, how do you see this panning out? Assume, for the sake of argument, that you are a black man and that you do *not* believe that you're stuffed full of propaganda and *do* believe, completely, that you are seeing facts and reality as they are. You see cops overzealously, and frequently heavily, hassling blacks. Then you see blacks regularly dying during their contact with police in suspicious circumstances. You then get the feeling that white cops just don't value blacks' lives as much as they do white lives.
So you get angry enough to go marching under a BLM banner, say. But then, you start seeing this legitimate protest, this simple movement that just says 'black lives matter!' maligned as a 'radical group' (Fox News, of course); later, a 'terrorist group'. So what do you do then? Me, if I were black, I'd be bloody incandescent with fury and frustration. It's going to look like one big message of 'You black people, shut the fuck up and stop complaining about the treatment you get, no matter how bad that treatment is.' (Or *another* big message of that type, to add to those of many times in the past.) So what next? Me, I see that as this as the critical point - because it's the point at which people start to believe that they've got nothing to lose. Then, they either give up (unlikely, and not advisable, because that tends to produce even bigger problems later) or they actually do walk into the arms of the psychos who want to do physical damage to cops, or to whites in general. And, yes, I'm only too aware that those types exist.
It seems to me that the starting point is to recognise that a) it's necessary to have cops, b) that it's possible that there are good and fair cops, c) that there are bad cops and d) that the complaint of black people about those bad cops may be legitimate. Then, a) the good cops ditch the bad cops and talk to the angry but reasonable black people and b) the black people ditch the psychos and talk to the good cops.
But probably the first and most crucial thing of all, is that both sides *make an effort to get past the propaganda* in order to be able to see when they're dealing with the good ones on the opposite side.
Nobody says that they are terroists for saying that black lives matter.
If they tell me I don't think so they are calling me a racist without knowing anything about me.
They are terroists becasue they advocate violence. Remember pig in a blanket? Did you notice that an original black lives matter member was convicted this week for conspiracy to committ bombings during LAST YEARS Ferguson "peaceful" demonstrations. He was also convicted of providing weapons to felons to use to facilitate their burning and looting. These are the things that lead to them being called terrorists, not belaboring the obvious that black lives matter. You are not stupid, they aren't claiming what everyone knows, they are accusing every white person who doesn't give them everything else they want with not caring about black lives, that is with being racists on the level of the Klan. Have you truely fallen for their PR or are you just that predisposed to see the U S as made up of victimized blacks and white racists.
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