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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

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ORIGINAL: alpha499

you literally talk about the absolute slavery in its original form and meaning, that kind of slavery that does not exist anymore nowadays,occurred as a result to specific conditions that made the existence of slavery vital to ancient communities. the slave market was not more than a commercial activity, making money through selling slaves, putting them to labor for no wage, etc... were the main reasons that slavery existed,
Ben Hur , was chained to his seat in a chip, Ganicus fought to death in the Arena, what pleasure could you derive from being a slave of this category, moreover you dont associate slavery with sex and if mistress asks you for sex you'd run in the other direction,. you cant run if you were asked by mistress to do some thing, you have no way around it,.
BDSM as defined is an interpersonal dynamic with a wide range of practices, interests also vary and differ from one individual to another, here where self identificaion comes to handy, I may be allergic to leather but i definitely crave to lick a knee high boot.
I am not trying to steer away from the course of the discussion, it is just you cannot discuss a matter in exclusion of other matters related to it.
Huh ! Holy smoke ! you seen Goddess? lucky you however this should put me ahead of you in the list, I have never doubted in Goddess , you did, I have never challenged her, you did,and today you are telling me she is a beautiful Goddess, I know that thanx tho.

Yes there is pleasure in absolute slavery, but you guys still did not answer how the Hegelian Dialectic fits into this

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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

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ORIGINAL: alpha499

you literally talk about the absolute slavery in its original form and meaning, that kind of slavery that does not exist anymore nowadays,occurred as a result to specific conditions that made the existence of slavery vital to ancient communities. the slave market was not more than a commercial activity, making money through selling slaves, putting them to labor for no wage, etc... were the main reasons that slavery existed,
Ben Hur , was chained to his seat in a chip, Ganicus fought to death in the Arena, what pleasure could you derive from being a slave of this category, moreover you dont associate slavery with sex and if mistress asks you for sex you'd run in the other direction,. you cant run if you were asked by mistress to do some thing, you have no way around it,.
BDSM as defined is an interpersonal dynamic with a wide range of practices, interests also vary and differ from one individual to another, here where self identificaion comes to handy, I may be allergic to leather but i definitely crave to lick a knee high boot.
I am not trying to steer away from the course of the discussion, it is just you cannot discuss a matter in exclusion of other matters related to it.
Huh ! Holy smoke ! you seen Goddess? lucky you however this should put me ahead of you in the list, I have never doubted in Goddess , you did, I have never challenged her, you did,and today you are telling me she is a beautiful Goddess, I know that thanx tho.

Yes there is pleasure in absolute slavery, but you guys still did not answer how the Hegelian Dialectic fits into this

Hi notaBULL and welcome back bro, to answer your question in a very honest way and not being sarcastic, it is been very very long time since I substituted the book FOR the steering wheel. but I may sneak a peak if time allows it.
shoot ! this is confusing. do we say substitute X for Y or substitute X with Y

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ORIGINAL: alpha499

Man!, or should i say, slave!: in my very low posting standard i am gonna tell you you are mixing things up, in your assessment everybody is a slave, and the chain of command system is another aspect of slavery, i may agree with you here if you agree that you, in all the examples you provided there was indication to an " indirect" slavery. therefore, indirect slavery in its both particular and general concepts it NOT identical to the kind of slavery you are herein talking about. Lets be sarcastic a little , i like sarcasm, you were saying you call your self a master, and you sit on your big ass, and i go to work for you? ! seriously? why would I do that? Since i can work and provide then I am Independent.what are you as a master giving me in return, remember it is always a give and take relationship.like aa kiss, you give it at the same time you receive it, so, on whom the word thanks was due?.
I rather be safe telling you I am slave to the LAW or Legislation, I am no body's slave since nobody has laid claim on me.
once again i am telling you, you are talking about a delusional kind of slavery, why just dont worship God, be a slave to God, the perfect, the deserving master, cause you gonna end up in great disappointment in Dommes.
check mate in : Indefinite

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ORIGINAL: alpha299

Ok, let's make things clear here, a bank account has nothing to do with BDSM in general. Also a bank account is not required to enter in a D/s relationship, or even a FLR, many dominant women out there who are not in need for your money, all they need is submission ,and control . Like you need domination. And control. It is a complementary relationship, none is better than the other,
Another important thing is a woman dragging a man on a leash does not ALWAYS mean domination if that decision was made by the man, submission starts in the brain and it is unplanned , cause it is some thing you lose the second you plan it . So true domination and submission it a gift given to very very very small number of people on this planet, it codes and signals you can feel it some times from strange people like talking about the weather ,in my opinion if my bank account is involved , there's a potential findom crap. If your mistress asks you to buy her a gift , she is then a redneck not a mistress, a good mistress knows which button to push so you would act accordingly, buy a gift or walk the dog.

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ORIGINAL: alpha499

Man!, or should i say, slave!: in my very low posting standard i am gonna tell you you are mixing things up, in your assessment everybody is a slave, and the chain of command system is another aspect of slavery, i may agree with you here if you agree that you, in all the examples you provided there was indication to an " indirect" slavery. therefore, indirect slavery in its both particular and general concepts it NOT identical to the kind of slavery you are herein talking about. Lets be sarcastic a little , i like sarcasm, you were saying you call your self a master, and you sit on your big ass, and i go to work for you? ! seriously? why would I do that? Since i can work and provide then I am Independent.what are you as a master giving me in return, remember it is always a give and take relationship.like aa kiss, you give it at the same time you receive it, so, on whom the word thanks was due?.
I rather be safe telling you I am slave to the LAW or Legislation, I am no body's slave since nobody has laid claim on me.
once again i am telling you, you are talking about a delusional kind of slavery, why just dont worship God, be a slave to God, the perfect, the deserving master, cause you gonna end up in great disappointment in Dommes.
check mate in : Indefinite

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

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ORIGINAL: alpha499

Man!, or should i say, slave!: in my very low posting standard i am gonna tell you you are mixing things up, in your assessment everybody is a slave, and the chain of command system is another aspect of slavery, i may agree with you here if you agree that you, in all the examples you provided there was indication to an " indirect" slavery. therefore, indirect slavery in its both particular and general concepts it NOT identical to the kind of slavery you are herein talking about. Lets be sarcastic a little , i like sarcasm, you were saying you call your self a master, and you sit on your big ass, and i go to work for you? ! seriously? why would I do that? Since i can work and provide then I am Independent.what are you as a master giving me in return, remember it is always a give and take relationship.like aa kiss, you give it at the same time you receive it, so, on whom the word thanks was due?.
I rather be safe telling you I am slave to the LAW or Legislation, I am no body's slave since nobody has laid claim on me.
once again i am telling you, you are talking about a delusional kind of slavery, why just dont worship God, be a slave to God, the perfect, the deserving master, cause you gonna end up in great disappointment in Dommes.
check mate in : Indefinite

Stop paying your taxes and you will see what I mean. Al Capone went to prison for that. You are a slave because you are forced to pay for stuff you do not want to pay for whether you like or not. With the money you are forced to give away, the leaders of the country buy more muscle to enslave the population even more.

Of course, the Pope is the only one who can really call himself a Master on earth, because the Church pays no taxes. But you can be a pawn in the church or the leader of the church and this makes a big difference.

If you saw the movie THE MATRIX then you should know what I mean.

Now in the Gospel, there is a reference to taxes, someone was sent to Jesus and asked him if it was alright to pay taxes To the Roman Emperor, but Jesus answered in a cunning fashion. This reference was only added to point out this forced state of slavery everyone is in.

Of course one could decide to become a Napoleon and raise an army strong enough to defeat this power, then one could really call himself a Master, but then again, how many Napoleons are born?

It takes very special military, political, psychological skills to pull that off. And anyway, the book 1984, describes a time when the ruling class have learned from the past.

Now we have systems in space that allows the CIA to listen to your conversation in the middle of the Sahara Desert, so little rebels have very tiny chances to true freedom anyways.

My conclusion:

The true definition of slavery remains intact. Nobody can change it unless he is willing to become a Napoleon. Slavery is about money, not OINK OINKs.

Whether you like it or not, someone will be sent to your home to collect your money (taxes).

Now with that being said, slaves do have the power, by teaming up and giving the rest of their money to a Goddess, to give her a certain Sovereignty. She will still be forced to pay taxes, but in reality, she will not. Because her slaves agree to pay everything for her.

Over and out

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ORIGINAL: slaveboywonderma

note to notabull you have a lot to say. tip if you dont like the idea of money dommes dont bother approaching them, but dont be judgmental either or bemoan the fact you dont have a Mistress, a Mistress cant live on fresh air, if you want to serve you betcha the Mistress will want a financial consideration particularly if you also are not in a position to get out there meet a Mistress in real and offer real services outside financial, final tip if you get away from the computer and go into your local town or city you will find real Women who may happen to be domme and provided you are willing to offer yourself to them they will want you and not for your money, so if you want a Mistress get away from your computer screen and get out and meet people
slave kevin

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ORIGINAL: alpha299

After few days of constant thinking about this thread, " what us slavery" I came to the conclusion that this is not ONLY about the definition of the word slavery,
That was not what you really wanted to ask, but when people see you thread asking what is the definition of slavery ,you will get the wrong people replying to your question, this does not mean their replies are wrong , and yoy are not getting the right answer because the problem was in the question itself, your question was not clear and I could see a drift in the thread, anyway so I won't get lost, after checking your profile and trading some of your replies,I got an idea on you ,pardon me I may be tort, I think y ou are an alpha mâle even though your profile states you are slave, alpha males can be subs also , but they need special very powerful may be very harsh women to control them , so my be the question here is how you see the slavery in relation to an alpha male ,correct me if I am wrong

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ORIGINAL: littleclip

the term slave is a old one for a new use in the bdsm world, I like the term of a samurai who dedicates his whole being to defend please and serve his shogun

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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: alpha299
correct me if I am wrong

That would be a full time job.

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: alpha499

Goddess, how he's ahead of me? He's in Montreal and can't travel,we all know why, I am more useful than he is, I can help remodel the house,wash the car,mow the yard.plow the snow very soon, what can he do.?that's not fair

He's spent money sweetie.
You still having sent me your flight itinerary, like I told you to, nor have you bought me stuff from my wishlist like I told you to.
So far, all you've done is spend your day picking fights with him.

Not very pleasing...