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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/5/2015 9:11:42 PM   
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So how are we combating mental illness? By not doing much.

Haunting line on Facebook: "I wish it were as easy to get mental health treatment in this country as it is to get a firearm."

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/5/2015 9:32:02 PM   
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seven separate posts to respond to one
That has to be a record.
Taking over another thread with your drivel Bama???


No, he raised several points and I addressed each seperatly.
It isn't drivel, it is fact and reasonable observation of his drivel.
His points have been systematically debunked.
And he revealed the reason for his often irational rants, I attempted to point that fact out.

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/5/2015 9:37:41 PM   
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So how are we combating mental illness? By not doing much.

Haunting line on Facebook: "I wish it were as easy to get mental health treatment in this country as it is to get a firearm."

It should be as easy to get as any other kind of health care. It is as, if not more, important than "regular" health care. Until we do something about health care there will be very little progress. Mental illness is far better represented than gun ownership in these things.
Firearms are simpler than mental health. If they aren't a criminal, or a drug addict, or don't have mental health issues and there is no reason not to sell it to them. Mental health problems are far more subtile and complex. Also far more expensive. Till we fix the mental health issues we cannot fix the background check issues.

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/5/2015 9:42:39 PM   
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He is a liberal/democrat and that is a goal they work towards and succeed at well.

Oh my.


Are you suggesting that the laws liberals want, especially the ones that the twit is pushing for, are not intended to further the racial disparity in prisons, it just miraculously works that way?

Same with the laws liberals have championed. It just "happens" that the fall out is more blacks in jail?

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/5/2015 9:45:20 PM   
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seven separate posts to respond to one
That has to be a record.
Taking over another thread with your drivel Bama???


No, he raised several points and I addressed each seperatly.
It isn't drivel, it is fact and reasonable observation of his drivel.
His points have been systematically debunked.
And he revealed the reason for his often irational rants, I attempted to point that fact out.

no they havent been debunked, as usual you spout your BS but never back it up.
Joe is as over the edge as you are, but his points have NOT been debunked, no matter how you wish it were so.

here look at this http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/index.html
406,000 DEAD PEOPLE
since 2001, gun deaths, murder accident and suicide.
You cant discuss what is wrong, just how you are right. God forbid ANYONE should get upset with the dead mounting.


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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/5/2015 9:51:01 PM   
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He is a liberal/democrat and that is a goal they work towards and succeed at well.

Oh my.


Are you suggesting that the laws liberals want, especially the ones that the twit is pushing for, are not intended to further the racial disparity in prisons, it just miraculously works that way?

Same with the laws liberals have championed. It just "happens" that the fall out is more blacks in jail?

What I'm suggesting is best left untyped.

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/5/2015 9:55:55 PM   
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seven separate posts to respond to one
That has to be a record.
Taking over another thread with your drivel Bama???


No, he raised several points and I addressed each seperatly.
It isn't drivel, it is fact and reasonable observation of his drivel.
His points have been systematically debunked.
And he revealed the reason for his often irational rants, I attempted to point that fact out.

no they havent been debunked, as usual you spout your BS but never back it up.
Joe is as over the edge as you are, but his points have NOT been debunked, no matter how you wish it were so.

here look at this http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/index.html
406,000 DEAD PEOPLE
since 2001, gun deaths, murder accident and suicide.
You cant discuss what is wrong, just how you are right. God forbid ANYONE should get upset with the dead mounting.


I and others have posted refutations to what he says so many times that he should have it memorized by now and I don't see any point in posting them again. I said nothing that was not in line with these sources. But he, like you ignores them, another reason not to keep posting the same things over and over again. If a person is going to pretend that the study I posted months ago proving that armed defense keeps "mass shootings" from becomeing mass why keep posting it. When you have posted what the people who wrote the 2nd amendment said it meant half a dozen times why do it again and so on.
I post links, as do others and he comes back with a claim that we don't address the issues, because we don't say what he wants to hear.
If you want to go through the tons of refutations I guess it could be done but your history shows that you will dismiss anything that doesn't agree with you anyway.

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/5/2015 10:28:12 PM   
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It should be as easy to get as any other kind of health care. It is as, if not more, important than "regular" health care. Until we do something about health care there will be very little progress. Mental illness is far better represented than gun ownership in these things.



I have one major (it breaks down into more specific areas) issue with this: We live in a country and time where if you don't bend your will to "group think", you're labeled "mentally ill". We've seen it here, all too often, but for more impactful example, I recommend people search their memory for when Pres. Clinton called anyone who identified as a "patriot", "Mentally ill".

That's my fear; that the extreme left PPLs get to decide that my wanting to go to Sunday services makes me "mentally ill".



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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/5/2015 11:27:18 PM   
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there is no such thing as 'mental screening' to determine if someone is suffering a mental/emotional problem

Odd, then, the buckets full of tuition money and wasted hours of practica devoted to training clinicians to administer them.

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 12:12:23 AM   
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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 12:57:23 AM   
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It should be as easy to get as any other kind of health care. It is as, if not more, important than "regular" health care. Until we do something about health care there will be very little progress. Mental illness is far better represented than gun ownership in these things.



I have one major (it breaks down into more specific areas) issue with this: We live in a country and time where if you don't bend your will to "group think", you're labeled "mentally ill". We've seen it here, all too often, but for more impactful example, I recommend people search their memory for when Pres. Clinton called anyone who identified as a "patriot", "Mentally ill".

That's my fear; that the extreme left PPLs get to decide that my wanting to go to Sunday services makes me "mentally ill".



Michael

This, combined with the prohibitive cost are my reasons for oppossing Joe's suggestion that you have to go through a complete mental health evaluation to get a gun and another each year to keep it.
Besides gp of course.
That along with his proposal to tax guns and amunition so that a box of shells costs a couple of hundred dollars.
He wants to make firearms unaffordable.

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 12:59:34 AM   
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The twit really, really wants more black people in jail/prison.

I should not be surprised. He is a liberal/democrat and that is a goal they work towards and succeed at well.


I like to hear from you, the moron calling other people, to cough up that...EVIDENCE...and....FACTS. Either you have the evidence and facts to back up your argument, or just just FULL OF SHIT.

An we all know your full of shit. Do us a favor, STFU.

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 1:06:40 AM   
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BTW....359 people were shot and killed in Chicago in one year but they werent college kids they were just hispanics and blacks from the south side so who cares right? Point is killing happens every day with not only guns but knives and other weapons. The media decides what we focus on and its all political. Prohibition did not stop alcohol. Gun control will not stop those determined to get a gun, and it will be available underground - another industry for criminals and organized crime to make a living at. The mentally ill have to contend with so much. There isnt much seperating them from anyone else. They have personalities, character defects, traumas, bad experiences, etc that mold them, its not the mental illness that kills, that is just one facet in a person to consider. The mentally ill are no more likely to kill then the average person. The percentage of people who commit crime is the same between the mentally and non mentally ill. Sad that they get targeted so often. Its despicable how poorly they are treated, forgotten and targeted.


While I can't prove it, it would seem that certain types of mental illness would lend itself to the kind of paranoia and lack of selfworth that leads to these tradgedies. That is not to say that all people with mental illness are dangerous. There is a percentage of them that are overrepresented in mass shootings. Not to dismiss the problems of the others but within the context of this conversation it is that group within the group that we are concerned with.
Mental health treatment needs to be far more readily avaliable and more affordable than it currently is. It could reduce these incidents and help those who are troubled but not dangerous.

There are those in the profession who say that everyone is disturbed in some way.

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 1:07:48 AM   
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Why yes, I *DO* love the US Constitution. You often conveniently forget that the people in the US Government *ARE* US Citizens. That there are a fair number of liberals in the US Military just as there are conservatives and moderates. This nation was founded on many good things. But it was also founded on freedom from tyranny big and small. Without government control, the US Constitution is just a 220+ year old piece of paper. That you can't understand that concept is your problem!

No you love a warped interpretation of the Constitution that gives the government far more control over it's citizens than it was ever intended to have. I understand that very well, I put the level were government micromanagement of my life and yours much lower than you do. There is no big government program you have opposed. Anyone who says, as you have, we should let the government do our thinking for us has no love of the Constitution, no matter what they believe.


You dont let government do your thinking, BamaD; you let the GOP/TP do it. A group whom has....LESS...credibility than the whole of the US Government. Your so conditioned to think as they want already. Your understanding of the US Constitution is flawed. Its been pointed out...MANY...times already. The difference between your 'argument' and mine is that I have two things going for me:

1 ) Time
2 ) Human Psychology

We'll have....another...shooting massacre within a few weeks from now. Between now and then, we'll have many Americans being killed by firearms that 'fell' into the wrong hands. In that time, you and others will do your utmost to stop, stall, and even kill any reasonable firearm regulations. Sooner or later, there will be a shooting so terrible and ugly, that no one will give a fuck what you have to say. Enough Americans will 'sign off' on legislation to effectively restrict firearms.

You have this silly and deluded grasp of reality. So I'll stated it....AGAIN....for about the 17th time: I really do not wish firearms to be ban. It will not do this nation a whole lot of good. But you can not understand the concept. Because it requires you to be a FUCKING ADULT!

You can not even voice a counter argument that is sane, intelligent, mature, or even reasonable. How about you try doing that?

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 1:11:06 AM   
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To get 'into the history books' the would-be shooter in the future must not just kill more people, but do it in a flasher way. Or get individuals of similar viewpoints and ideas to help in the destruction. When its all over, we'll find they got their firearm arsenal the easy way; they went to local gun shops and purchased it. Or drove to a gun show, portrayed themselves as conservative NRA-flukies. The people selling will not know their guns helped in the massacre until the FBI catches up with them. I do not imagine such individual take that sort of news lightly.

The sheriff in Oregon is doing this right, and for the most part the media is following his lead. Don't use the shooters name, that ends the fame.


An yet the guy's name is on the Internet, so apparently the Sheriff and media failed in that task!

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 1:14:42 AM   
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Your understanding of the US Constitution is flawed...

There are two sentences there:

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state."

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4793470

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 1:17:16 AM   
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BTW, BamaD, we are not living in 1950's America. Its 2015. Things have changed in so many ways. Apparently our gun laws are out of date. We know this by all the violence in our nation. More Americans have been killed by firearms in domestic confrentations than terroist (domestic and foreign).

No, our values have changed, we tell kids they are great just for showing up and then they get into the real world and it doesn't work that way. Then they build up rage against society for holding them down and bang you have an incident. Teach kids real values and you'll get somewhere.


Such a lame and pathetic counter argument, BamaD. Your understanding of childhood psychology is so terrible that you would fail middle school psychology tests! The way you view kids in 2015 is completely uneducated and uninformed. How about you try interacting with them? You might find that your 'understanding' only applies to 0.001% of the population at any one school. The vast majority of kids for one reason or another understands how to handle losing.

AN what you stated.....DOESN'T EVEN ADDRESS WHAT I STATED. Its like me stating "Hello, how are you?" And your reply is "THE SQUIRRELS ARE FEEDING ON THE MOON! THEY FEED AND HAVE GOAT SEX! ITS HORRIBLE, LIKE EATING TWINKIES". Maybe you should take some medication or something? Or try staying on topic?


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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 1:19:55 AM   
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I've buried some of those kids, asshole! I've watched the parents suffer. I've watches their brothers and sisters....suffer.
They have asked me "why?", to which I can not give them a good enough answer. How many times have you been a man and comforted those whom have suffered violence from firearms?


And I have friends who are alive because they were armed but you want them to be defenseless asshole!


Do you and yourr friends run into violence and crime more often that police officers? Do you go out looking for trouble, then bitch when you find it?

Again, your not even remotely on topic here. I'm going to ask the question, AGAIN. TRY, to stay on topic:

"How many times have you been a man and comforted those whom have suffered violence from firearms?"


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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 1:20:50 AM   
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No, our values have changed, we tell kids they are great just for showing up and then they get into the real world and it doesn't work that way. Then they build up rage against society for holding them down and bang you have an incident. Teach kids real values and you'll get somewhere.

You might find that your 'understanding' only applies to 0.001% of the population at any one school.

That 0.001% is a very specific percentage. You'll be posting your source, right?

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 1:24:08 AM   
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Your understanding of the US Constitution is flawed...

There are two sentences there:

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state."

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4793470

K.



Actually Mr. Grammar Nazi, the 2nd amendment is ONE SENTENCE.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

There is only *ONE* period in that sentence. It is after the word 'infringed'. Here is an example of you slamming a bunch of former Englishmen's knowledge on modern English rules that didn't apply in their day. An the founding fathers no less!

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